This would most likely eliminate all sluggish UI, Window redraw, and visualization frame rate issues many are experiencing. The developer also wouldn't have to worry so much about all the different video and sound configurations. Might even reduce some of the 30MB overhead.
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iTunes 4.1.1 for Windows
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This would most likely eliminate all sluggish UI, Window redraw, and visualization frame rate issues many are experiencing. The developer also wouldn't have to worry so much about all the different video and sound configurations. Might even reduce some of the 30MB overhead.
Do you know what the word "basic" means?
iTunes' basic fuctionality is to rip, mix, and burn music. A choice of visualisation plugins are not required to achieve that basic functionality.
Originally posted by mymemory
I can imagine the people at Apple:
Yeah!!! we sold one million songs just with the PC market!!!
Next day:
Damn it, stinky PCs, now we have to deal with all the PC bugs.
_____
The dilema, bigger market, bigger problems.
Bugs that Apple programmed into the software. Yep when in doubt blame MS. Hey didn't you guys hear? MS is the root cause of global warming.So much for Jobs claims of "best programmed application for Windows....NOT"
itunes is a m-u-s-i-c p-l-a-y-e-r
What part of that don't you get...the visualization is just a nice little feature but not the reason to use the app. If you don't like that the visualizer sucks then stop using itunes and use the other players.
Even at my job the it manager who is a die hard winsuck fan admitted that itunes is far superior to anything out there.
What part of that don't you get...the visualization is just a nice little feature but not the reason to use the app. If you don't like that the visualizer sucks then stop using itunes and use the other players.
Even at my job the it manager who is a die hard winsuck fan admitted that itunes is far superior to anything out there.
Windows updater doesn't work
Tried running "Check for Updates" and iTunes thinks Im current.
mmmm...anyone else seeing this?
Tried running "Check for Updates" and iTunes thinks Im current.
mmmm...anyone else seeing this?
Re: itunes is a m-u-s-i-c p-l-a-y-e-r
>>What part of that don't you get...the visualization is just a nice little feature but not the reason to use the app. If you don't like that the visualizer sucks then stop using itunes and use the other players
Even at my job the it manager who is a die hard winsuck fan admitted that itunes is far superior to anything out there.<<
Oh, I get it now, thanks.
>>What part of that don't you get...the visualization is just a nice little feature but not the reason to use the app. If you don't like that the visualizer sucks then stop using itunes and use the other players
Even at my job the it manager who is a die hard winsuck fan admitted that itunes is far superior to anything out there.<<
Oh, I get it now, thanks.
Still some glitches ...
I must use Windows at my job (**** I hate it!!!) and of course last week I installed iTunes. I wasn't able to read a CD. I downloaded the installer a second time and installed it again and it worked.
I downloaded the new version this morning and I had to reinstall it 4 or 5 times before making it work.
Now it's ok and I really like that look and feel of the Mac on that %#$%&$%$ Windows machine.
I must use Windows at my job (**** I hate it!!!) and of course last week I installed iTunes. I wasn't able to read a CD. I downloaded the installer a second time and installed it again and it worked.
I downloaded the new version this morning and I had to reinstall it 4 or 5 times before making it work.
Now it's ok and I really like that look and feel of the Mac on that %#$%&$%$ Windows machine.
The start of this thread was what i felt iTunes needed to be the best Windows app ever written given the class of app it's in. Not whether or not iTunes is not excellent because it lacks them. That minor point has gotten lost in "enthusiasm" so I'll probably... exit the conversation on a clarifying note:
Just about every "basic" music player in the PC world has basic CD-text support and a set of "basic" selectable visualizations among other things.
ITunes may be the best "music library" ever written, but it is not the best Windows app ever written, IMO. Even making allowance for the class it fits in.
I love iTunes and use it every single-day with my iPod BTW. I think expectations of "basic" are different based on the platforms. PC users have many "basic" choices. And a silly statement like "The best Windows app ever written" may go over with die-hard Apple fans, but might actually do harm with regards to PC users looking at iTunes with higher expectations based on that statement.
The library management features are most important to "me" which is why iTunes is my primary music management app. The CD-burning is used for archiving, burning audio CDs without CD-text is useless to me so I use Nero for burning CDs, even when I had my iMac. That doesn't stop it from being one of my favorite and most used apps, and a lot of that is because my iPod is a part of my lifestyle. But best windows app ever written, clearly no. It could be, but it would need a lot more "basic" functionality.
Steve should save the Jobisms for the Apple platform that accepts them without scrutiny. They can do harm to Apple's credibility on the PC platform. Even the most die-hard Apple fans have to realize that is not a good thing.
I agree completely about CD-text, it should be in there. Send your feedback to Apple, if you haven't done so. Hopefully for iTunes 5. As for the visualizers... eh. I've downloaded a crapload on my Mac, and still never use them. Not important to me personally. At least the one they provide is a good one (IMHO).
But as far as the Jobsism goes (best Windows app ever), we really need to take that for what it's worth. I mean, does anyone actually take such a statement seriously? I, and most Windows iTunes users no doubt, are content that WiTunes is simply a Very Good Windows application. Certainly there is room for improvement, and not just in the areas you mention.
Frankly, I as a Mac user really do wish that Jobs would tone down some of the ridiculous statements he makes, as they can undermine his message. It's like the infomercials that actually sell something decent, but wrap it in such a ridiculous message that you assume it has to be a scam....
But as far as the Jobsism goes (best Windows app ever), we really need to take that for what it's worth. I mean, does anyone actually take such a statement seriously? I, and most Windows iTunes users no doubt, are content that WiTunes is simply a Very Good Windows application. Certainly there is room for improvement, and not just in the areas you mention.
Frankly, I as a Mac user really do wish that Jobs would tone down some of the ridiculous statements he makes, as they can undermine his message. It's like the infomercials that actually sell something decent, but wrap it in such a ridiculous message that you assume it has to be a scam....
Good Lord, man, it's marketing. Microsoft spouts the same kind of crud. Everyone does! It's just that Jobs is constantly singled out for his, since he's the perennial whipping boy of the computer industry.
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Just to clarify!
CD-TEXT is available on the mac using Roxio Toast Titanium 5.2 or higher and possibly even Discribe although I'm not sure on that one.
I find the PC version of iTunes to be a lot faster than iTunes on the mac except for the visualizer but thats cool; my machine processes work not fancy OpenGL tricks.
I'm disappointed that the scroll wheel doesnt move up and down the playlist but it does adjust the volume when using the small iTunes GUI.
CD-TEXT is available on the mac using Roxio Toast Titanium 5.2 or higher and possibly even Discribe although I'm not sure on that one.
I find the PC version of iTunes to be a lot faster than iTunes on the mac except for the visualizer but thats cool; my machine processes work not fancy OpenGL tricks.
I'm disappointed that the scroll wheel doesnt move up and down the playlist but it does adjust the volume when using the small iTunes GUI.
Winamp is the most popular music player for Windows, and it doesn't even burn CDs, let alone support CD-text.
Is burning CDs a "basic" function? Is supporting some non-standard CD naming scheme a "basic" function?
One visualisation is basic.
It seems that "basic" is the incorrect word to express what you're thinking. Perhaps "standard" is more fitting.
Many other Windows players do feature more varied visualisation features, but Apple seem to believe that visualisation isn't particularly important. However, they did leave the door open for others to extend the functionality if they wish.
Apple didn't have to create a plugin architecture.
I believe there is a distinction (fuzzy though it may be) between "marketing" and "completely ridiculous statements". I believe that Jobs too often lands on the wrong side, this being one of those times. The statement has brought needlessly excessive nit-picky scrutiny and skepticism on what was otherwise a pretty darned successful product launch. Every problem the program has is referenced with "the 'best Windows app' can't even do *this*" or some such.
In any case, it's really not that big a deal, what's most important is that the program works well, and it does. Apple has done a very good job here, and the quick point release update to fix the Win2K problem is commendable.
Actually, there are several patterns, waveforms and colour tables you can select from, it's just not well documented.
IIRC, the keys are:
Q, W (to go to previous/next patterns)
A, S (to go to previous/next waveforms)
Z, X (to go to previous/next colour palettes)
L (to lock current settings)
F (display framerate)
There are others, but I can't remember them.
Mike.
Originally posted by SiliconAddict
So much for Jobs claims of "best programmed application for Windows....NOT"
Oh yeah, Apple intentionally programmed bugs in there so it wouldn't work with older third-party CD burning software and non-standard mp3 files. Somehow Apple is supposed to be prepared ahead of time for every possible Windows configuration that may exist out there in the world. And it's all Apple's fault too I guess that a few people will have this junk loaded on their Windows boxes and it will cause problems.
1. DirectX is a Windows-only library. For iTunes Windows to use DirectX, they probably would need to fork even more of the code base and would gain only somewhat faster visualizations.
2. Apple already makes software for watching vid files: it's called QuickTime. If your point is that QuickTime needs to be rewritten to work more like iTunes, I agree with you somewhat. If your point is that iTunes and QuickTime should be the same app, you're simply wrong. One thing we've learned from the past 5 years is that massive, monolithic, swiss-army-knife apps are bad.
itunes worked like a breeze on my PC, just like it does on my mac.
I did hear whispers about some people having trouble installing itunes. I think the major gripe most PC users have is the memory it takes up. Seems like a very frugal thing to be complaining about... I mean the way some PC users went on about it... its as if they needed every last drop of ram ready for something special. Who knows.
I've heard lots of great comments about itunes on windows. The streaming music feature is absolutely killer and I used it all the time. This update just goes to show that Apple is pretty committed to ensuring a maclike experience on both Mac and Windows.
I did hear whispers about some people having trouble installing itunes. I think the major gripe most PC users have is the memory it takes up. Seems like a very frugal thing to be complaining about... I mean the way some PC users went on about it... its as if they needed every last drop of ram ready for something special. Who knows.
I've heard lots of great comments about itunes on windows. The streaming music feature is absolutely killer and I used it all the time. This update just goes to show that Apple is pretty committed to ensuring a maclike experience on both Mac and Windows.
Originally posted by Lancetx
Oh yeah, Apple intentionally programmed bugs in there so it wouldn't work with older third-party CD burning software and non-standard mp3 files. Somehow Apple is supposed to be prepared ahead of time for every possible Windows configuration that may exist out there in the world. And it's all Apple's fault too I guess that a few people will have this junk loaded on their Windows boxes and it will cause problems.
Dont be dense. I didnt say Apple intentionally programmed in those bugs. It was you who made that leap. I said they programmed in those bug, mistake or not. I loaded iTunes on 4 diff computers. Worked on 3. The Toshiba Satellite with its burner worked fine. The Dell Latitude with a CD burner did not. Both running the same ghosted image with the Dell having a few more apps on it but nothing out of the ordinary. Funny thing is I also own Music Match and it found the burner fine, installed fine, and runs fine on all my systems.
Look. If one is going to make the bold statement of best software ever coded on Windows one should back up his claims. Dont make excuses for Jobs. He was trying to extend his RDF to Windows and IMHO it backfired on him. The iTunes is good, but it could be better hence the reason .11 within a week of release.
Not to sound like an ass, but Rower_CPU, what were you thinking?
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Why would you close the 1st post and leave the dup? I don't want to start and trouble, but don't you guys usually close the 2nd and 3rd and etc post ? Or is some other method used?
So does anyone know why we can't continue our post where we were? It's just kind of annoying.
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Why would you close the 1st post and leave the dup? I don't want to start and trouble, but don't you guys usually close the 2nd and 3rd and etc post ? Or is some other method used?
So does anyone know why we can't continue our post where we were? It's just kind of annoying.
Big for an update
My Win2K pro just found the iTunes update and d/l it now. It wasn't there via Check for updates this morning.
It seems big for just an update. 20 MB is a large update.
My Win2K pro just found the iTunes update and d/l it now. It wasn't there via Check for updates this morning.
It seems big for just an update. 20 MB is a large update.
Considering both dominant desktop OS' include these basic facilities, yes, burning CDs is a basic function.
CD-text is very standard. It's supported by every Superdrive in every Mac made in the past two years at least. That's pretty standard.
Virtually all DVD players and Car Receivers made in the past few years support it. That's pretty standard.
Because Apple software doesn't suport it, doesn't mean it's new, non-standard, or that it's not of value.
Ok I just want to clarify this since every mac user seems to screw it up. BTW I'm a Mac user, but I'm a Windows admin too. Windows 2000 wasn't officially said to be a consumer OS just like Apple initially didn't ship OS X as the default OS. OS X 10.0 wasn't set up to be pretty and kind to your grandma. Windows XP is for the most part Windows 2000 with an improved GUI. There are plenty of consumers that continue to run 2000 (it's much more stable than XP) and there have been consumers running 2000 since it first came out. Initially games had trouble with it, but Microsoft released compatibility updates to ensure that older games ran. Newer games are also all designed to run on 2000 since XP and 2000 share a very similar kernel.
I think Steve Jobs knew *exactly* what he was doing when he made the statement. He know it would be very controversial. It was made to generate headlines. As for it backfiring, it seems to me that a lot of people have downloaded iTMS for Windows, and the overwhelming response seems to be very positive.