iTunes 4.7.1 only allows 5 connections per day.

[dongmin]

Question: In 4.7, when you connect to a user, an eject button appears next to their name. You have to press this button to actually disconnect, even if you aren't listening to their music. Are you sure it isn't the case of users not actually disconnecting?

As far as RIAA cracking down, I have noticed that a lot of people are using programs like MyTunes to search and copy music on a campus network. With these programs you can search the entire network (100+ users on my LAN), which makes it quite convenient to pirate and build-up your collection.

 

[Sharewaredemon]

Question: In 4.7, when you connect to a user, an eject button appears next to their name. You have to press this button to actually disconnect, even if you aren't listening to their music. Are you sure it isn't the case of users not actually disconnecting?

As far as RIAA cracking down, I have noticed that a lot of people are using programs like MyTunes to search and copy music on a campus network. With these programs you can search the entire network (100+ users on my LAN), which makes it quite convenient to pirate and build-up your collection.

Yes I am sure, as I got a message, that said each user only accepted connections from 5 different users per day. I can't get you a screen shot because it was on someone elses computer.

 

[Chip NoVaMac]

Sort of sucks if you have a network of varied music interests. Not that you would see all of these in a dorm but I can think of Rock, Pop, Classical, Big Band, Jazz, Broadway, and Hip hop to name few.

Under the old system, one could pop in and out of various libaries, as long as you did not go over 5 users.

Maybe Apple is thinking that college students might buy the Mac mini as iTunes servers?

 

[yg17]

I havent gone looking for it yet, but iTunes has to log who connects and when to a file of some sort. Wouldn't resetting this be a matter of finding this file and deleting it so iTunes thinks there's 5 new connections available?

 

[wordmunger]

You have more than five computers with iTunes installed at home?

I have 5 right now -- one for each family member, plus one we use as the music server. If we got one more computer (and with the new mini, we might consider it), we'd be out of luck. Fortunately we're not planning on having any more kids

 

[anarchist]

The only thing that doesn't make any sense about the RIAA thing .. people can only listen to, and not share songs through iTunes, and that's assuming people have sharing on. If people want songs from others' computers, all they have to do is ask whoever has the song(s) to send them via aim or lan, iChat makes the process so easy one could copy their entire iTunes directory within minutes on a fast campus connection.

 

[maxterpiece]

This is another example of the RIAA being stupid and forcing people to search out ways to pirate music. The itunes was setup so that you could listen to other people's music over any size network but couldn't burn it, couldn't put it on an ipod, couldn't copy it to your computer, couldn't take it with you on your laptop if you left the network. You were able to listen to new music that you may not have listened to before without actually copying it. Recording industries pay radio stations to play their music because it encourages people to buy new cds. This was free radio coming directly from peers of the user. If Mr. Student hears Amnesiac from Mr. Student 2, and really gets into it, he's going to want to have it with him when he takes his ipod out on the campus. I know my music tastes grew exponentially in college because of napster, and although I had a lot more pirated music, I definitely also purchased a lot of music that I never would have bothered to buy.

Now our friend who posted this complaint is probably looking into ways he can use his ultra-fast universitywide network to just copy whatever music he pleases right onto his HD and not have to worry about buying anymore.

Go on and shoot yourselves in the foot you corporate money-grubbers. It serves you right. The sad thing is that this hurts apple as well - itunes and its music store, despite how beautifully and thoughtfully designed it is, is not as much of a pleasure to use for these people and they might lose an fringe customer here and there. But hey, they're a corporation too, so I can't feel too bad.

 

[Sharewaredemon]

Though I do use my superfast university network do download music from others, I still continue to buy the music from the artists I want to support from the iTMS. So i'm in the same boat as you. Sadly I had a good post which the server trashed and it never made it up. But if a person is no longer accepting connections for any mroe users, the program for dling over the network won't be able to connect to them.

I did not want to bring up pirating into this thread, but as other's mentioned it earlier I did. Also, this feature is a nuisance for the people who DON'T know how to download music from other's libraries, and want to use the software as it is intended.

This is another example of the RIAA being stupid and forcing people to search out ways to pirate music. The itunes was setup so that you could listen to other people's music over any size network but couldn't burn it, couldn't put it on an ipod, couldn't copy it to your computer, couldn't take it with you on your laptop if you left the network. You were able to listen to new music that you may not have listened to before without actually copying it. Recording industries pay radio stations to play their music because it encourages people to buy new cds. This was free radio coming directly from peers of the user. If Mr. Student hears Amnesiac from Mr. Student 2, and really gets into it, he's going to want to have it with him when he takes his ipod out on the campus. I know my music tastes grew exponentially in college because of napster, and although I had a lot more pirated music, I definitely also purchased a lot of music that I never would have bothered to buy.

Now our friend who posted this complaint is probably looking into ways he can use his ultra-fast universitywide network to just copy whatever music he pleases right onto his HD and not have to worry about buying anymore.

Go on and shoot yourselves in the foot you corporate money-grubbers. It serves you right. The sad thing is that this hurts apple as well - itunes and its music store, despite how beautifully and thoughtfully designed it is, is not as much of a pleasure to use for these people and they might lose an fringe customer here and there. But hey, they're a corporation too, so I can't feel too bad.

 

[telecomm]

I'm on a campus network that, at certain times of the day, has more than 20 iTunes libraries available for sharing. Personally, I don't copy music from anyone else on the network (partly because I'm a music snob, and most of the stuff on the network is... um... of questionable taste), but with so many people using this feature it quickly becomes impossible to view anyone's library, rendering this sharing feature absolutely useless unless you're one of the first up in the morning.

For instance, it's not even 1 in the afternoon, yet... ( where later = some time tomorrow).

 

[Sharewaredemon]

I'm on a campus network that, at certain times of the day, has more than 20 iTunes libraries available for sharing. Personally, I don't copy music from anyone else on the network (partly because I'm a music snob, and most of the stuff on the network is... um... of questionable taste), but with so many people using this feature it quickly becomes impossible to view anyone's library, rendering this sharing feature absolutely useless unless you're one of the first up in the morning.

For instance, it's not even 1 in the afternoon, yet... ( where later = some time tomorrow).

The only nice thing about this new "feature" I have found, is that, is you gain a connection to someone's music when they have the new version, you are guarenteed a connection for the rest of the day. Whereas before, they could have 5 users connected and you would have to wait for someone to disconnect.

 

[TheMac19]

Yeah, I agree this little "update" is a scar on Apple's record. Supposing they absolutely had to implement this change to avoid some sort of litigation, the very least they could have have done is list this significant change in the update description, so knowledgeable users could make an informed choice when deciding whether or not to install the "update" on their computer(s).

 

[Bear]

Yeah, I agree this little "update" is a scar on Apple's record. Supposing they absolutely had to implement this change to avoid some sort of litigation, the very least they could have have done is list this significant change in the update description, so knowledgeable users could make an informed choice when deciding whether or not to install the "update" on their computer(s).

Or at least postponed the update until they needed to update.

truthfully, people may as well update unless they plan to never get a new model iPod (like the iPod shuffle) that would need a newer version of iTunes. Also, the iTunes Music Store will keep changing the minimum version needed to access the iTunes store.

Also, new iTunes features only come with new versions. Whyever Apple needed to make this change, it probably wasn't quite their decision, but we're stuck with it.

I will admit sometimes (many times?) a step forward also includes a step or two backwards.

 

[Sharewaredemon]

Yeah, I agree this little "update" is a scar on Apple's record. Supposing they absolutely had to implement this change to avoid some sort of litigation, the very least they could have have done is list this significant change in the update description, so knowledgeable users could make an informed choice when deciding whether or not to install the "update" on their computer(s).

Do you by any chance have any idea who they were avoiding litigation from? Any links to articles I could read? Also, I wonder if this was left out of the update for the same reasons that they were "forced" to make this change. Or if they left it out so as not to confuse people when they read the description.

 

[gjuggler]

Maybe it's not the RIAA?

Do you by any chance have any idea who they were avoiding litigation from? Any links to articles I could read? Also, I wonder if this was left out of the update for the same reasons that they were "forced" to make this change. Or if they left it out so as not to confuse people when they read the description.

My theory is that it might not have been the RIAA who caused Apple to make this latest change. Think about this:

1. As mentioned above, many college campuses have residences where >200 students are in the same dorm, creating a huge pool of iTunes users (there are always at least 40 or 50 shares in my dorm).

2. Programs like MyTunes, combined with the large pool of music, give students a wide range of music to access for free

3. Apple has a Music Store.

4. Apple is a company.

Thus, Apple, wanting to boost its Music Store sales, has a vested interest in decreasing the ease with which iTunes-leeching programs can download music from the local network. This 5-user-per-day thing is a pretty good effort; my guess, though, is that programs might figure out how Apple identifies unique computers, so any person using program X counts as the same user.

And, regardless, DAAP (the protocol iTunes uses to share music) is becoming a somewhat well-understood protocol, so programs are coming out that can share music in the same way, without iTunes.

 

[wizard403]

email

hey....i was wondering if any of you guys had the old itunes 4.7 setup for windows and if you could email it to me or something. millermoth_86@sbcglobal.net

thanks guys

 

[jlewis2k1]

hey....i was wondering if any of you guys had the old itunes 4.7 setup for windows and if you could email it to me or something. millermoth_86@sbcglobal.net

thanks guys

um why? lol I have it somewhere ... i have to dig for it, when i find it will email ya.

 

[visor]

it's that kind of news that make me say : " go share a directory with mp3's - there's not much limiting there"

oh - so you bought crippled copy protected songs from the music store....?

makes you think, doesn't it?

 

[wizard403]

um why? lol I have it somewhere ... i have to dig for it, when i find it will email ya.

thanks man....ive got the same problem.l i had to update itunes to get my quicktime on firefox to work and its put a hamper on my music sharing experience.