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Hi. The US is not a free market society.



A common misconception among Libertarians, sports fans, and middle-aged businessmen. Marketability is not the arbiter of fairness. For instance, even though some people are willing to pay other people to kill a third party, most of us would not say that the practice is fine and acceptable. For most of us, other ethical principles interfere with workable free market concepts -- so while most of us are aware that you could find someone to do almost anything, given enough money, we would not find the act inherently acceptable simply because the payer and the doer agreed on the task.



Duty to one's shareholders, employees, etc does not determine what is ethically valid or invalid. For instance, even if I could make more money for my family by beheading small children in the Sudan, this would not make it ethically acceptable. This is also known as The Godfather/The Sopranos argument -- "He's a good man, caring for his family." B.S. He's killing people, robbing others, etc. The ends do not inherently justify the means.



Cost is not the issue. If it were, the various music companies could simply forgo the $.00 that they would lose by allowing people to create their own ringtones.



Hmm. I have a Cingular phone with a particular mp3 as a ringtone. I didn't have to hack the phone or anything, just put my songs in the directory that I was instructed to by the directions. What's really funny is that it's a Sony phone, with "Walkman" functionality, but it doesn't have a headphone jack -- so every time I put a song on the phone and listen to it, it'll inadvertently be a public performance :)

Obviously, since most of the people in this thread are unhappy with this situation, your rhetoric and assumptions need a bit of work.



I'll believe in intellectual property rights when every rock band currently in existence travels back in time and gives money to the people who invented:
1) The guitar
2) The 12-bar blues form
3) The jazz drum ensemble

It's an arbitrary distinction. Music, art in general, literature, language -- LANGUAGE! -- are based upon modification and adaptation of others' ideas. Ever since Og first beat two rocks together and howled at the moon, Brg has been there to say "hmm," and repeat with slight improvements. It's the basis of competition.

But of course, competition, intellectual advancement, fairness, and ethics aren't what businessmen and Libertarians are after. They want money. This is similar to the fact that the biggest talking point for libertarians is individual liberty in terms of the tax burden, and not in terms of, say, gay marriage :rolleyes:


I can tell it won't be long before you are banned again, comrad. :rolleyes:
 
I can tell it won't be long before you are banned again, comrad. :rolleyes:

No ****? :D

But I doubt it'll be for me suggesting that there is morality beyond the marketplace. It's more likely going to be because I insult some mental midget for talking out of his back orifice. I got banned once for telling another member to shave his mother's back, and a second time for telling someone that he quite nicely provided a service that he suggested I wanted OS X Leopard to perform upon me. I've been talking about politics and economics on this board a long time, though, and never got banned for any of that.

(And if "comrade" was to suggest that I'm a communist, I'm actually an individualist anarchist. Yep, laissez-faire! I sympathize with and respect Marx's thought (and Proudhon and Bakhunin), since I've, like, you know, read what he actually wrote -- as opposed to what Lenin, Stalin, Mao et al practiced, but I don't consider myself a communist or socialist. Comprehending philosophies in their fullness is all just part of being thoughtfully aware rather than ceasing to function as a thinking creature.)

It's moot, though. Anyone who gets banned here just creates another account anyway :rolleyes:
 
No ****? :D

But I doubt it'll be for me suggesting that there is morality beyond the marketplace. It's more likely going to be because I insult some mental midget for talking out of his back orifice. I got banned once for telling another member to shave his mother's back, and a second time for telling someone that he quite nicely provided a service that he suggested I wanted OS X Leopard to perform upon me. I've been talking about politics and economics on this board a long time, though, and never got banned for any of that.

(And if "comrade" was to suggest that I'm a communist, I'm actually an individualist anarchist. Yep, laissez-faire! I sympathize with and respect Marx's thought (and Proudhon and Bakhunin), since I've, like, you know, read what he actually wrote -- as opposed to what Lenin, Stalin, Mao et al practiced, but I don't consider myself a communist or socialist. Comprehending philosophies in their fullness is all just part of being thoughtfully aware rather than ceasing to function as a thinking creature.)

It's moot, though. Anyone who gets banned here just creates another account anyway :rolleyes:


Actually, pretty much as I thought.

Do you believe in the property rights of others?
The right to their person, and the products of their work?

Just a thought, your earlier comments led me to believe you were a "social anarchist" and not an "individualist anarchist".

It is always interesting to watch the young pass through the gamut of political/social opinions/positions as they progress through life.

Everyone usually spends times in many, many camps as they go through life (me included).

Good luck on your journey. ;)
 
I don't regard myself as having changed all that much, really -- at least in the past few years (I'm 26). It's just a matter of others' perceptions of me, which vary widely depending on the topic. I personally believe myself to have a coherent individual philosophy and a coherent societal philosophy (which are independent). You could look at certain things I believe and say I'm a fascist, communist, anarcho-capitalist, or state socialist, and I could only disagree by pointing at other things in which I believe.

As Whitman said, "I am large, I contain multitudes."

Anyway, I believe that profit should take a back seat to ethics, and I'm pretty firm on that. I don't see a good way to enforce it, though, rather than through the actions of an informed consumer populace. Of course, as you yourself have no doubt noticed, the consumer populace is largely composed of imbeciles, so I don't see ethics and market behavior synchronizing until the species as a whole evolves a great deal.

(not that I'm perfect, or even sensible, but I'm improving)
 
Either Apple is doing some major hidden/subliminal marketing by suggesting new features on their site and videos, or they REALLY need to fire their design team. I'm leaning more towards all this being on purpose, because if I messed up and accidently showed secret/future features of a product, and then had to go back and correct it later, I'd be in trouble, especially if it was several times in several different areas.

My bet though, like I said, is that this is all on purpose. A Good example being Apple "accidently" showed a secret 12th app, only to reveal it later. I think its all just to get everyone sturred up.
 
I spotted a unusual iTunes screenshot in a offcial Apple service manual-see below:

Can someone who's a AASP please open this:
http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Misc/Service/servicemanuals/ipod_tp.pdf

Open that file, go to page 42 shows a screenshot of a view that has two tabs-a "Settings" tabs: for iPod/iPhone settings and a content for music,TV shows,etc.

Screenshot:
iphonefo4.gif


It appears the above could be in a upcoming release-eg. v7.3.

It's an offcial Apple document thatthis came up in.
 
I'm not buying an iPhone and I don't use custom ringtones but I still think it sucks that Apple is charing $0.99 to "convert" a song to a ringtone.
:-(
 
+1. :)

Whenever I am in public, my phone is on silent/vibrate. Only when I am home is it not, and then it *rings*, like a phone should. :)

I bought a single ringtone for my motorolo v400 three years ago. The instrumental part at the beginning of China Grove by the Doobie Brothers. I don't think that ringtones have to be inherently annoying. It's when the cellular provider picks the worst 15 seconds of a song to use as the ringtone. Ringtones shouldn't be allowed to have words in them.
 
okay, everyone, please quit the FUD.

I'm in my T-Mobile SDA phone right now, under phone sounds, in the "ring tones" box, clicking on it to see my choices, MY MP3's DO NOT APPEAR....

Get a grip, you will be charged for ringtones here on out...

My Nokia 6230i can do it just fine. Perhaps it is not the fault of the device, but T-Mobile has intentionally crippled it?
 
I spotted a unusual iTunes screenshot in a offcial Apple service manual-see below:

Can someone who's a AASP please open this:
http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Misc/Service/servicemanuals/ipod_tp.pdf

Open that file, go to page 42 shows a screenshot of a view that has two tabs-a "Settings" tabs: for iPod/iPhone settings and a content for music,TV shows,etc.

Screenshot:
iphonefo4.gif


It appears the above could be in a upcoming release-eg. v7.3.

It's an offcial Apple document thatthis came up in.

That's an iPod Shuffle syncing. You can even see on the sidebar.
 
Up till now I always used Nokia phones and you can use ANY .mp3 as your ringtone. It can be a song, sound or whatever you can come up with. And its FREE. I would never ever buy a ringtone! And shame on apple if they are gonna charge for it:mad:

Well, up here in Canada, those imbeciles from TELUS have limited all functionality of my Nokia phone. They've made it so that you can't change the theme icons, use a regular .mp3 for the ringtone or alert, and they've restricted BT functionality. I refuse to pay $3.99 for a 5 second clip of some horrid pop song. :mad:
 
Well, up here in Canada, those imbeciles from TELUS have limited all functionality of my Nokia phone. They've made it so that you can't change the theme icons, use a regular .mp3 for the ringtone or alert, and they've restricted BT functionality. I refuse to pay $3.99 for a 5 second clip of some horrid pop song. :mad:

You shouldn't pay $3.99, especially since this is easy to circumvent these restrictions. Do a quick google search for your model number.
 
Disk Use/Sound Check for iPhone may also be included in iTunes 7.3

Apologies if this has already been discussed, but if you look at the image provided, on the summary tab of the iPhone it looks like there's two extra options that can be checked. I am thinking Disk use and Sound Check may also be new features available with the iPhone come iTunes 7.3

itunesqa.jpg
 
One More Point to Buying it

I really oughtta make a list....

Unfortunalt,y i'm not allowed to buy it, so prob for colege..
 
I like the marimba tone, but I wouldn't mind this feature...hey! we know steve's phone number!! it's on the slide! someone, quick, call it!!

maybe not ;)

EDIT: oh, and I really hate how when I was with verizon a crappy tone cost $3-5...maybe iTunes will be better ....$.99 or free?
 
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