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gkarris

macrumors G3
Dec 31, 2004
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"No escape from Reality...”
What about music I ripped to mp3 from CD's I purchased and want to get 'fair use' out of? :) I put them in my iTunes Library and also on my iPod, why can't I use a clip of that as a ringtone?

Either way, I'm still buying one, tho cutting or making my own ringtones for my iPhone would be nice, I enjoy this on my SLVR. Oh well.

"fair use" in their minds is listening to it - using it as a phone alert is a different story...
 

bytethese

macrumors 68030
Jun 20, 2007
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Well, no...

Some of you are willing to spend $600 for the phone plus over $700 a year to run it, but you're whining about spending 99 cents for a ring tone? Do you plan to switch ring tones every other day or something? I'd pick ONE and stick with it, personally (maybe even an actual 'ring' sound because I know how annoying it is to hear those little jingles, especially the "Nokia" one...ugh).

Changing ring tones constantly (so that you'd worry about 99 cents) seems strange to me. It's a ring replacement people! If you want to listen to music, do so. Pick a ring and move on. Of all the lame things to argue over....

I have different ringtones for different things. When the gf texts or calls, my phone plays the SNL clip for "More Cowbell". When I get a text from most friends, it's SNL's "Dick in a box", my normal ringer is the CTU ringer from 24. I also made clips from Eurotrip, Spaceballs, Top Gun, etc as ringers I can use on my phone. Man, do I love having choice on what ringers my phone has. So yeah, having to pay $.99 is a PITA to have all I want from my SLVR all over again on my iPhone. As I stated before, will I still buy the phone? Absolutely. Will I pay the $.99 to convert a song to a ringtone? Most likely no.
 

panamajack

macrumors member
Aug 14, 2006
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I create my ringtones from unprotected MP3 in garageband for free :cool:

Me too ! Sounds like iPhone customers will have to pay for this "privilege" now ... personally, I enjoy making custom ringtones ..... my friends cat purring, Herr Job's "Microsoft has no taste" quote, etc. This blatant cash grab for content someone HAS ALREADY PURCHASED will just get hacked.

That said, I'm using the iPhone marimba tone for my phone right now for when I need to hear it ring.
 

winmacguy

macrumors 68020
Nov 8, 2003
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yes, i knew it, but i costs .99cents, that's alot for a short ringtone!!

You guys don't know how lucky you are! Down loadable tracks on the Vodafone NZ network cost about 1.99 NZ and I think ring tones are a similar price. Music tracks started out at 3.45 each until iTunes arrived.
 

atp

macrumors newbie
May 28, 2004
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iTunes ringtones

I want a junk call ringtone. When I get these silly magazine/insurance/whatever junk calls, I should be able to attach a certain ringtone to them, or better, no ringtone at all.:rolleyes:
 

Loge

macrumors 68030
Jun 24, 2004
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Some of you are willing to spend $600 for the phone plus over $700 a year to run it, but you're whining about spending 99 cents for a ring tone?

It is the principle of paying again for something you believe you have already purchased. No one likes to do that even if the amount involved is small.
 

wowok1234

macrumors newbie
Jun 27, 2007
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They changed it back!

Well, looks like they caught wind of it. If you go back to the Q+A page, the itunes graphic now has 6 tabs instead of the 8.
 

Stella

macrumors G3
Apr 21, 2003
8,883
6,477
Canada
I want a junk call ringtone. When I get these silly magazine/insurance/whatever junk calls, I should be able to attach a certain ringtone to them, or better, no ringtone at all.:rolleyes:

Does iPhone support per contact ringtone?
 

Stella

macrumors G3
Apr 21, 2003
8,883
6,477
Canada
hey just use bluetooth and send the ringtones as files to the iPhone.. thats how i work between my razr and dash

But the iPhone has to support that to begin with.... can you place ring tones in the directory where the iPhone expects to find them?
 

Ha ze

macrumors regular
Jul 30, 2006
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Well, looks like they caught wind of it. If you go back to the Q+A page, the itunes graphic now has 6 tabs instead of the 8.

I just went back and saw this. interesting.
I guess we'll see what it really comes with. (tomorrow?)
 

Counter

macrumors 6502
Jun 4, 2005
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Do I have to pay royalties, if somebody hears my ringtone? :eek:

Not just you, but the person that hears it too. (Unless they have an iPhone)

It's hilarious to see any little thing about the iPhone not even waiting to spiral out of control. "99 cents a ring tone, whoah, whoah, will my phone set on fire if I don't buy 3 a day". "Whoah, whoah, whoah, will I still be able to receive emails".
 

katanna

macrumors 6502
May 6, 2004
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I think that it is cheep to charge people for ringtones, but I understand that it is not in their contract... I just hope it doesn't charge you for ripped songs... I mean, I have changed my ring tone three times in the last four years, but it is the idea that they are nickel-and-diming me to death that bothers me. Apple has always been about amazing products at amazing(ly high) prices... they need to fix that.

Matthew
 

irun5k

macrumors 6502
Jan 14, 2005
379
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The record labels want to sell you:
  • the right to listen to the song played directly from the CD
  • the right to listen to the song on your computer
  • the right to listen to your song on a mobile device
  • the right to listen to the song as a ringtone

Many people experienced some of this type of thing as early as the 80's or potentially before. It is possible that someone bought an LP, and then bought the 8-track, later bought the cassette, eventually bought the CD, then bought the iTunes music videos, then bought the iTunes songs, and potentially now will buy the ring tone.

If you truly owned a license to the music, you should have been able to exchange the LP for the CD simply by paying for the cost of the media (maybe 30 cents or so?)

Of course, the thug members of the RIAA don't play this game. They only play the game of taking violators to court. Well, I suppose that is their right, but what about the rights of someone who stays within the law?
 

Bern

macrumors 68000
Nov 10, 2004
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I don't know about pc users, but we Mac users are certainly more than capable of producing our own ringtones.

When is this iPhone madness going to stop??
 

lazyrighteye

Contributor
Jan 16, 2002
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"fair use" in their minds is listening to it - using it as a phone alert is a different story...

Which is interesting, to me - and yet another example of where the big labels' (and corporate America, in many ways) are missing an arguably more profitable opportunity with their instant gratification/short sighted approach(es)/greed.

Free ringtones = more ringtones out there = more exposure for artists/songs/bands/labels/etc. = higher likeliness that said ringtone leads to someone buying the full song = more $ for labels/artists.

On the flip side, it's arguable that charging for ringtones = less people using them (like me, I use zero) = less exposure of artists/songs/bands/labels/etc. = less likeliness that someone will buy that song (hard to buy a song you don't ever hear).

My ¢3.
 

altaic

macrumors 6502a
Jan 26, 2004
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Oddly enough, the new pic of the iPhone settings in iTunes shows an additional disk space designation (yellow) at the bottom of the screen. The ones shown so far are audio, video, other, and free space, as shown on my attachment.
 

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nospleen

macrumors 68030
Dec 8, 2002
2,726
1,588
Texas
I would imagine that most people who are complaining do not own any Apple stock. Apple first and foremost is a business, whose main goal is to make revenue. If you can shell out 599 for an iphone, is .99 really going to kill you?
 

strangelogic

macrumors regular
Aug 23, 2003
167
0
CA
is it friday yet?

I guess this is Jobs '1 more thing' for tomorrow I hope. I don't want to wait in line to get the phone then get hung up behind thousands of other people downloading a new version of iTunes so they can set up their iPhone.

I agree it would be nice to create our own ringtones, though I will almost always use silent/vibrate mode.

I don't care if they sell the ringtones at .99 cents -- as long as they block anyone from using any part of 'Wind it Up' by Gwen Stefani as a ringtone.
 

coolfactor

macrumors 604
Jul 29, 2002
7,457
10,379
Vancouver, BC
I can't believe Apple are now charging their users to use their own music that they bought. Every other mobile phone allows mp3 and aac ringtones to be used.

Manic Mouse, chill dude. This is a rumor right now. Nothing has been confirmed. Nothing is set in stone until iTunes 7.3 is released.

Wait until the facts are revealed before freaking out.
 

kalisphoenix

macrumors 65816
Jul 26, 2005
1,231
1
We live in a free market society my friend. This isn't directed at you though; sorry to single you out but though :).

Hi. The US is not a free market society.

If the market will bear it and people will pay it what the music companies, Apple, and AT&T (not to mention every other carrier) is doing is absolutely fine and acceptable.

A common misconception among Libertarians, sports fans, and middle-aged businessmen. Marketability is not the arbiter of fairness. For instance, even though some people are willing to pay other people to kill a third party, most of us would not say that the practice is fine and acceptable. For most of us, other ethical principles interfere with workable free market concepts -- so while most of us are aware that you could find someone to do almost anything, given enough money, we would not find the act inherently acceptable simply because the payer and the doer agreed on the task.

These companies don't exist solely for your pleasure (not just directed towards you). They have a duty to their shareholders, employees, and everyone else that has a stake in the company. Quit complaining that they charge you for a ringtone.

Duty to one's shareholders, employees, etc does not determine what is ethically valid or invalid. For instance, even if I could make more money for my family by beheading small children in the Sudan, this would not make it ethically acceptable. This is also known as The Godfather/The Sopranos argument -- "He's a good man, caring for his family." B.S. He's killing people, robbing others, etc. The ends do not inherently justify the means.

Quit acting as if you deserve handouts in life. Woe is me! I must complain about a ninety-nine cent ringtone to use on my six hundred dollar phone! How will I come up with the ninety-nine cents?

Cost is not the issue. If it were, the various music companies could simply forgo the $.00 that they would lose by allowing people to create their own ringtones.

It is their right to charge you for that ringtone, and people will pay it - so what's so bad about that? Absolutely nothing at all. Besides, as has been shown, it is a bargain compared to every other carrier out there.

Hmm. I have a Cingular phone with a particular mp3 as a ringtone. I didn't have to hack the phone or anything, just put my songs in the directory that I was instructed to by the directions. What's really funny is that it's a Sony phone, with "Walkman" functionality, but it doesn't have a headphone jack -- so every time I put a song on the phone and listen to it, it'll inadvertently be a public performance :)

Obviously, since most of the people in this thread are unhappy with this situation, your rhetoric and assumptions need a bit of work.

They're wack?

Protecting one's intellectual property is wack? What kind of statement is that? Please elaborate.

I'll believe in intellectual property rights when every rock band currently in existence travels back in time and gives money to the people who invented:
1) The guitar
2) The 12-bar blues form
3) The jazz drum ensemble

It's an arbitrary distinction. Music, art in general, literature, language -- LANGUAGE! -- are based upon modification and adaptation of others' ideas. Ever since Og first beat two rocks together and howled at the moon, Brg has been there to say "hmm," and repeat with slight improvements. It's the basis of competition.

But of course, competition, intellectual advancement, fairness, and ethics aren't what businessmen and Libertarians are after. They want money. This is similar to the fact that the biggest talking point for libertarians is individual liberty in terms of the tax burden, and not in terms of, say, gay marriage :rolleyes:
 

MacinDoc

macrumors 68020
Mar 22, 2004
2,268
11
The Great White North
Me too ! Sounds like iPhone customers will have to pay for this "privilege" now ... personally, I enjoy making custom ringtones ..... my friends cat purring, Herr Job's "Microsoft has no taste" quote, etc. This blatant cash grab for content someone HAS ALREADY PURCHASED will just get hacked.

That said, I'm using the iPhone marimba tone for my phone right now for when I need to hear it ring.
I suspect that the fee will only apply to commercial/protected files. And maybe Apple will include free ringtones with iTunes Plus (yeah, I know, dream on...)
 
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