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iTunes 7.4.1 Update Released

If there is all this trouble with using 7.4.1, then why use the update in the first place? No one's forcing it on you, just stay with 7.4 until a security fix and/or cool new features are added... Just my opinion..
 
briand05 said:
Considering you can do this on MICROSOFT's Windows Mobile phones and pretty much every other phone you can apply any sound as a ringtone, really makes Apple look bad. Of course the Apple shills will put the blame on the record companies...yet how come it's fine with every other phone yet not Apple's device?
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That's because Microsoft and the others don't own, run and manage iTunes. Apple does. Microsoft is not in the business of selling movies, T.V. shows and music (at least not very well). They don't have the same type of relationships with these businesses as Apple does. It would be one thing if Apple never started iTunes, never had dealt with the music business and all of a sudden created the iPhone. But it didn't. It had a business contract with the music industry. I'm sure they weren't going to let the world's largest online distributor of music just "give music away." That's not how business deals get made. Not in the real world. You really can't compare the two.
 
Bernie-Mac said:
^^Actually the process is quite simple....and so we've concluded making ringtones from your music is not illegal.....what if its music your "borrowed" say from limewire? Are we reaching that point of illegality? if thats even a word?
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I don't want to get into the "own" vs. "license" debate, because it really the same thing. Getting music off of a service that does not have the rights to distribute it is not the same as getting it from one that does.

Fair use is pretty clear on how it works. If you buy a copy of music, no matter how you have bought it, CD, tape, digital, off TV or radio, then you are allowed to do certain things with it, including changing the media type and devices that you listen to it with. You can also take snippets of the music and use it in certain uses that others can listen to, like using music as a background to a photo slide show, or something.

You can't legally buy something who has no legal right to sell it. Both parties are doing something illegal.

-jt2
 
With all the confusion of what version of what application is still working, I just downloaded iToner 1.01 and installed iTunes 7.4.1 and can confirm that iToner 1.01 works with MP3 files now and they do survive a subsequent iPhone sync.

iTunes 7.4.1 does not recognize iToner-transferred ringtones under the Ringtone tab. It still shows my .m4r ringtones (greyed-out as I "de-synced" them to remove them from my iPhone before I upgraded and tried iToner 1.01). But it does work. :)
 
rwross said:
Ed...

No offense, but your approach confuses me a bit, as does your statement that, "if you change a M4A extension outside of iTunes to M4R, then iTunes will not import it."

That has not be the experience of most folks.


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**** When I tried that, any attempt to deal with that M4R file did nothing in iTunes 7.4.1 (it did not appear in the library list, nor did it play). The way I made the only one which worked was to get the m4a file into itunes the usual way, and then to use "get info" in finder to change the extension. It then appeared in iTunes as a protected AAC, and also appeared in the iTunes iPhone Ringtone page. It only worked once in a row.
 
I have not been able to get the OP's method to function under Windows Vista (no snickering, please :eek:) ). Are the people who are getting this method to function using Macs? The .m4r method worked fine for me under iTunes 7.4, but changing the ringtone extension to .m4a under iTunes 7.4.1 and synching lists the new ringtones in the Ringtone tab in iTunes but does not sync those ringtones to the iPhone. I do not get the error message stating that the files are incompatible with the iPhone, but the ringtones do not appear on the iPhone. I am able to install ringtones onto the iPhone using SSH/WinSCP with the Binkit, but I would like to be able to do so using iTunes as well. If anybody wants a free "Tarzan Yell" ringtone, you can find it here: http://gallery.mobile9.com/f/111252/ . Any suggestions (besides getting a Mac or reinstalling iTunes 7.4)?
 
TitoC said:
That's because Microsoft and the others don't own, run and manage iTunes. Apple does. Microsoft is not in the business of selling movies, T.V. shows and music (at least not very well).
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Doesn't Microsoft have the Zune service?

Honestly, I don't think you can fully blame RIAA for Apple charging premiums for ringtone creation. RIAA certainly would not be involved with content that they do not represent the rights to. I believe that this is more about Apple's plan rather than the RIAA. If Apple gives any royalty to the RIAA studio, then it's going to be a VERY small part.

And they still have not addressed the content that Apple has no rights to. Who are they going to give the royalty to? They are going to keep it for themselves. That is if they are even going to allow you to make the ringtone in the first place.

-jt2
 
MrCrowbar said:
By having it as ringtone on a device you carry in public, it counts as public playing. On every audio CD or DVD, it says you are not allowed to publically play the content on the disc. WHen buying a ringtone, you buy a license to play the few second part of that song.
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Not that I want to get into this debate, but the iPhone has a screen and a speaker. So if I play music on the speaker, how's that different than a ring tone?

I just sat on a plane watching movies, people to my side or behind me could see it. That's public too right?

My father used to have the X Files as his ring. His phone would ring, and within seconds, someone in the near vicinity would start whistling the tune...

I think the problem is that the other firms that give you the ringtones free are NOT major online music retailers. Not having any relationship to protect, Nokia can get away with it. So can Motorola. But Apple can't (to be honest, I don't think it bothers them, since they make money out of it too!)

But thankfully, the hacker community will continue to find us ways around this sort of stuff. iToner has it nailed, since they seem to have reverse engineered the file syncing protocol. So until Apple change it, iToner is literally iTunes without the checks to stop you syncing things they don't want you to. :)

be well

t
 
I think there is a disconnect here. Apple is charging for not only the ringtone, but also the ability to put said ringtone on your iPhone (before hack). What some are saying, that I feel is getting lost, is that Apple should let you put any ringtone on your phone just like how they let you put any music on your phone. That doesn't stop Apple from offering ringtones, it just allows those of us that have stuff we made or rare stuff to be able to upload it without using a hack or 3rd party program.

Also, Sony's phones allow you to use your own MP3/AAC for a ringtone, why shouldn't Apple's?
 
To follow the hack so that you can use the custom ringtone renaming in iTunes 7.4.1 rather than rename the file in iTunes as m4r rename it to m4a. That should work.
 
Today, I’m very happy to introduce Apple Gazette’s very first piece of software. A very simple Automator built application based on this tutorial for converting AAC files into ringtones for the iPhone.

The application is free to download. You are using it at your own risk. Please read the Read Me file before using the application. iTunes MUST BE closed for it to work. If iTunes is open, it will not add the file to the Ringtones tab on your iPhone.
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Apple Gazette has created a piece of software that automates the ringtone process with two versions: one for 7.4 and one for 7.4.1

http://www.applegazette.com/site-news/introducing-iring-free-iphone-ringtones-for-all
 
rwross said:
Ed...

No offense, but your approach confuses me a bit, as does your statement that, "if you change a M4A extension outside of iTunes to M4R, then iTunes will not import it."

That has not be the experience of most folks.

Try these steps and see if they work for you:

1. Confirm iTunes is set to import to AAC 128
2. If the "to-be" rington is not currently AAC, convert it by right clicking
3. Delete the new aac file from the library ONLY
4. Locate the file and Move it to your desktop
5. Rename the file from xxxx.m4a to xxxx.m4r
6. Double Click on the file
6a. Delete the xxxx.m4r file from Desktop
7. Return to iTunes and confirm it is now in the iPhone ringtones tab, but no not Sync

*** Note: If you are using 7.4.0, skip to step 10 ***

8. Locate the file in your iTunes Music/Ringtones Directory
9. Rename file from xxxx.m4r to xxxx.m4a
10. Sync!!! All should be well.

As an aside, if you are using a mac, some have reported problems if you simply "change the name" to m4r. If you move it to your desktop, you still must use get-info to change the extension. Not being a mac guy...i'm not sure what all that means...but it seems that under OS X, the extensions are largely hidden and that changing the file's name would simply resultin name.m4r.m4a which would likely be a mess. The same is true in windows if you haven't turned off "Hide known extensions."
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In 7.4.1, (Mac) I don't have a "ringtone" directory, and the .m4r file is not moved. So if you delete it, you will get a "file not found" upon syncing, and a semi-permanent entry in your "ringtones" tab for your iphone sync.

But after much fooling about (see my prior posts), the procedure detailed above seems to work except: after converting the file to m4a and changing the extension to m4r (via Get Info in finder), move it to a location where you won't toss it away. I put mine in my home/music folder, right next to the directories there (like iTunes and GarageBand). You might want to make a "Ringtones" directory there just to keep organized.

After the m4r type file is moved there, start up iTunes, and then double click the file in Finder. Nothing will apparently happen in iTunes, but you will get an entry in your "ringtones" tab for your iPhone. Then before you sync, change the extension again on that ringtone file to "m4a" usig Get Info in Finder. Then sync away.

For now, once a ringtone appears in the list, it stays there even if it cannot be used, for example, if you delete the file, the entry stays.

You can rebuild your iTunes library using this info:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=93313

but your next sync will be a long one: everything get reloaded as if you were syncing with a new computer.

All too complicated; clearly, Apple needs to create a way to make ring tones from material which is already licensed or for which I am the creator. The rest of you can argue copyright law, but either Apple makes it easy, or more hacks appears.

Eddie O
 
diamond.g said:
I think there is a disconnect here. Apple is charging for not only the ringtone, but also the ability to put said ringtone on your iPhone (before hack). What some are saying, that I feel is getting lost, is that Apple should let you put any ringtone on your phone just like how they let you put any music on your phone. That doesn't stop Apple from offering ringtones, it just allows those of us that have stuff we made or rare stuff to be able to upload it without using a hack or 3rd party program.

Also, Sony's phones allow you to use your own MP3/AAC for a ringtone, why shouldn't Apple's?
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Because Apple wants total control of you, the way Steve likes it is the right way and that's it. It's the same thing like why doesn't iPhone allow you to install 3rd party applications (out of the box) like Windows smartphones. Why can't you say have your wallpaper appear all the time instead of appearing just when the phone is locked (which is incredibly stupid), it's I think because Steve Jobs has decided that he doesn't want YOUR phone to be customized in any way whatsoever and his way is without a doubt the right way so the user should have no customization options.
 
i really don't get the whole ringtone craze (i like mine to just ring) but LOL @ the link for new hack in with the post about apple fixing the previous one.
 
MrCrowbar said:
By having it as ringtone on a device you carry in public, it counts as public playing. On every audio CD or DVD, it says you are not allowed to publically play the content on the disc. WHen buying a ringtone, you buy a license to play the few second part of that song.
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Yeah, and if you drive down a city street playing a CD in your car stereo, windows wide open, wouldn't that count as public playing too? :rolleyes:
 
Maybe that's why Apple is working on...

aimfire said:
Yeah, and if you drive down a city street playing a CD in your car stereo, windows wide open, wouldn't that count as public playing too? :rolleyes:
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...iPod integration into automobiles. Automatically disables when you roll your windows down or have someone in the passenger seat.
 
Are they trying to drive people away from iTunes? I don't even have an iPhone and I think this disabling of free ringtone stuff is crap.
 
SendSong and iBrickr ringtones still work

On my hacked iPhone 1.02, SendSong (to ringtones) and iBrickr ringtone uploader still work.

I'd agree, why should we pay 99 cents extra to make a song we own a ringtone when there's a handful of freeware/shareware programs that do it on mp3s?


One thing about 7.4.1 I noticed is that it tried to sync back to my iPhone the "Apple iPhone Show" podcast back to podcast #1 (there's 18 currently). I had deleted 1-16 in iTunes and on the iPhone, but it sync'd anyways. Weirdness. A delete again of the podcasts made iTunes sync them correctly again, just #17 & #18.
 
I downloaded 7.4.1 and it didn't screw up anything with AppTapp. All of my settings are still correct, all of the apptapp applications still work, and the spring board is still customly arranged ;) (this is on a Mac btw)

About the ringtones, there is a much easier way to do it:
SCP (or copy stuff) to ~/Library/Ringtones (yes, you have to mkdir Ringtones, and they have to be .mp3).

-V
 
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