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Apple: "This is the iPhone. It's a phone and an iPod, it syncs seamlessly with iTunes."
Palm: Jumping up excitedly "Look we do all that too."
Apple: "No you don't Mwhaha."
 
Its fair to emulate an iPod to bypass iTunes regulation? Oh yeah.
Its Apple's proprietary system. They can and will decide who can and cannot use it. There are alternatives for media syncing.
I don't want to change my software for my hardware, or vice versa.
 
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Palm deserves to get the shaft from Apple.
 
Umm do you understand anything about programing there.


quite a bit actually, which is why I'm 99% sure that all the folks saying that Apple wrote itunes to check for code that identifies a device as a Palm Pre and then to ignore it really have no clue if that is the case. Because they haven't done the work you describe. They are just guessing and stating it as fact. which is not every cricket. If you are going to state a fact you should be able to back it up.

Ok. I'm quite confident that the Pre works with Palm's "main piece of software", whatever that might be.

it's itunes. or is when Apple hasn't cut off whatever trick they are using.

which is the point, Palm hasn't written anything. they were too cheap, lazy whatever.

and then to make matters worse, they violated the USB-IF codes of conduct by having their device spoof Apple's vendor ID (big no no) AND cried foul to the Forum that Apple won't let them use itunes wah, wah.

You are not even address the issue. Yes you have stated another fact that is true but it is not relevant to my statement of fact.

I stated, "2) Apple blocks the use of legally purchased music on competitors' products."

When challenged I demonstrated that Apple blocks the Pre from synching with iTunes. That fact proves the truth of my statement.

you have actually proven nothing. You can use your music on anything you want. What Apple blocked was the Pre (and other devices) using itunes as a tool for automating the copying of said music to said device.

not the same thing at all
 
iTunes is Apple's software, meant to work with Apple's devices or possibly those and only those approved by Apple. Apple makes no bones about this. It's pretty clear and is perfectly legal. Even by the EU's standards.

You know for how long this has been a problem? Since never.

It's an artificial issue that seems to exist only on tech fansites on the ass-end of the net, perpetuated by people who want to have whatever they want, when they want it, and are prepared to justify it with ridiculous arguments.

The whole Pre-not-syncing-with-iTunes situation is a non-issue. It doesn't matter. Direct all bellyaching toward Palm and the rest of the industry for not being able to offer any better alternatives if the issue really does mean that much to you.
 
you have actually proven nothing. You can use your music on anything you want. What Apple blocked was the Pre (and other devices) using itunes as a tool for automating the copying of said music to said device.

not the same thing at all

And now you've probably read the rest of the thread...
 
After being a Palm Pre owner for some time now, and seeing how great it's UI is compared to the iPhone, I can truly say that I don't really give a flying turd about iTunes syncing.

I wonder if Palm is only playing around with Apple simply because they mention that their devices will sync with iTunes? If they didn't say that, I don't think anyone would care that it doesn't. You can just drag and drop music onto it anyway.....

p.s. My trusty Nano still comes with me, so Pre as music player is a bit moot.
 

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You've got to be smoking some serious crack if you havn't seen Palm's brazen attitude towards this entire matter :
http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre/ (second attachment) , not to mention the Coup de grâce (first attachment)

Actually , yes ( VEry GoOd CrACk ) But thanks for the links. I honestly WAS not informed .

Thought it was something kinda " un-said"
 
No iPod syncing on my Mac using iTunes

I don't know why Palm would want to use iTunes to sync their Pre with their owners iTunes music. I having been able to sync my iPods with my Mac in over a year. Safely that goes back another year. I've erased my iPod several times by mistake. I'm looking for a program that work with my Mac. I've stopped putting music on my iPod as I'm afraid that I will lose it again.

Maybe I can wait until Palm comes to its senses & writes their own sync. When they do I'll give theirs a try as Apple's doesn't work on my Intel Mac.
 
Analogy

iTunes is a brand new library that has a great service for people with certain memberships. Purchasing an iPod or iPhone gives you a gold membership. Anyone else can only get a silver membership.

Gold members can come in, hand over thier membership card (iPod/iPhone) and the librarian will put all the books and videos in your bag for you.

Silver members can come in, but they have to make their own way round the shelves and fill up their own bag. If the silver members have clever friends, they can create a robot that will read the instructions provided by the library and fill up their bags for them.

Palm are not clever friends to have. They instead walk in with a photocopied gold card, and then blame the librarian when they get told they have to get their own books.
 
iTunes is a brand new library that has a great service for people with certain memberships. Purchasing an iPod or iPhone gives you a gold membership. Anyone else can only get a silver membership.

Gold members can come in, hand over thier membership card (iPod/iPhone) and the librarian will put all the books and videos in your bag for you.

Silver members can come in, but they have to make their own way round the shelves and fill up their own bag. If the silver members have clever friends, they can create a robot that will read the instructions provided by the library and fill up their bags for them.

Palm are not clever friends to have. They instead walk in with a photocopied gold card, and then blame the librarian when they get told they have to get their own books.

Uh. I think the house analogy works better.
 
ho ho ho, ha ha ha.


I'm a bit sick of this.

Palm has no right to try and do this.

They need to sit down with Steve over a cup to tea and work out an agreement when they pay a licence fee to have ligitimate access to iTunes.
 
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