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iTunes Creator Jeff Robbin Heading Apple Television Effort?

Forget Apple TV how about he fixes the iTune software:rolleyes:

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dagamer34 said:
The thing that's different is the most expensive component is the screen, and only big brand companies have enough money to make those. I don't think Apple is going to be able to shake Sony or Samsung down to give them cheaper displays (and certainly not cheaper than their own HDTVs).

No, the value will have to be derived from elsewhere. The big question is what. And will people pay a premium for it?
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Bose did it and its one expensive tv, I don't see a full tv product just does not make sense with what apple is doing. I can see people walking into apple stores and trying to hull out a 47 inch tv, what an experience that would be. :D

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KnightWRX said:
And why does it require Apple to make a full-blown TV instead of a 99$ set top box ?
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Because the fan girls are having to much catnip tonight. :roll eyes:

I see Appletv 3 with full blown 1080p and gaming download making more sense, just not sure how gaming control will work, so I am stumped on that part of the equation.
 
Dr Kevorkian94 said:
True but I'm sure if apple doesn't manufacture them then they can get some other company to. A good contender might be VIZIO there screens are cheep and very good, I'm sure regardless apple will make it work.
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You are right, VIZIOs are cheap. As for picture quality they suck. I can't think of a worse TV on the market and I cannot see Apple partnering with them. Sharp, Panasonic, and maybe Samsung yes.
 
I'm amazed at the irony of all the criticism of something that hasn't even been seen, yet. Aren't these pretty much the same criticisms levelled at ALL their products before they hit the market place? Do you really need to look back at the threads when the iPod, or iPhone or iPad were introduced? Who needs a $500 MP3 player? Or an $700 phone? Or a $500+ overblown iPod Touch without a hard drive?

Now, I have no idea what an Apple television is going to be like or how much it's going to cost, but what I have learned is not to doubt Apple before the fact.
 
Why a television set?

- Great competition out there.
- Low profit margins
- Huge costs on inventory distribution, warehousing due large displays sizes
- People do not update their sets at the same pace of computer or IOS devices.
- AIO device on a expensive set makes much harder to upgrade hardware

Can we get all the user experience, software marvel and latest tech on a small box like ATV? and for $99?

Sorry but unless Apple has a huge technology feature that only they can provide that will make a television set so desired by all of and make us willing to pay the premium price it will demand, a TV set seems like a waste.
 
gugy said:
Why a television set?

- Great competition out there.
- Low profit margins
- Huge costs on inventory distribution, warehousing due large displays sizes
- People do not update their sets at the same pace of computer or IOS devices.
- AIO device on a expensive set makes much harder to upgrade hardware

Can we get all the user experience, software marvel and latest tech on a small box like ATV? and for $99?

Sorry but unless Apple has a huge technology feature that only they can provide that will make a television set so desired by all of and make us willing to pay the premium price it will demand, a TV set seems like a waste.
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I concur.

I said it in some other threads, but unless they can deliver a light-weight, flexible panel that comes rolled up in a poster tube, then I can't say I'm interested.

  • I hated my portable CD player / MiniDisc Player / buggy MP3 player (Solution: iPod)
  • I hated Windows9xp (Solution: OSX)
  • I hated crappy laptop PC hardware (Solution: MacBook Pro / Air)
  • I hated my cell phone (Solution: iPhone)
  • I hated laying in bed with my laptop burning my legs (Solution: iPad)

But I don't hate my Samsung panel... heck, I actually like it... I like it quite a bit.

I'm happy watching documentaries on Netflix using my ATV2 on my Samsung Television... and I CERTAINLY don't want my television put on the same biennial replacement cycle as my cell phone and computer.
 
cantthinkofone said:
Why a tv? Yes it will look nice but what do you think it will cost? Im betting at least $2000 for a 42" 1080 LED. While others sell the same thing for half that.

Stick with computers, phones, and OS X apple.
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Why do you think that? PC Manufacturers can not match the Air's price and tablet makers are still struggling to match the iPads price. You should update your talking points, they were last updated in 1999.
 
The most important Apple iTunes TV feature

"Siri - skip iAd."

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wovel said:
Why do you think that? PC Manufacturers can not match the Air's price and tablet makers are still struggling to match the iPads price. You should update your talking points, they were last updated in 1999.
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Agree.

1999 called. They want cantthinkofone's FUD back.
 
I suspect that these rumors are just about the next generation Apple TV (i.e. the little box you attach to the TV, NOT a true display). All they need to do is add an A4/A5 processor to the current unit, begin support for 1080p, and open up the Apple TV to third-party apps. Then, with additional support from the content providers Apple might have something that could dominate just as well as the original iPod.

However, the big sticking point here is greater support from the content providers and I don't see that happening for Apple anytime soon. That's why it could take a lot longer to get anything that would be really close to "cracking it" (to paraphrase Steve Jobs).
 
fpnc said:
I suspect that these rumors are just about the next generation Apple TV (i.e. the little box you attach to the TV, NOT a true display). All they need to do is add an A4/A5 processor to the current unit, begin support for 1080p, and open up the Apple TV to third-party apps. Then, with additional support from the content providers Apple might have something that could dominate just as well as the original iPod.
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That's what I'd like to see too. Maybe even go a step further and make a better set-top box. Give it a couple of HDMI inputs so it can serve as the hub for all your tv-related stuff. Build on the capabilities of the Apple TV. Put a hard drive in it. Maybe support CableCARD so you can replace your cable company's box.

(Ok, I guess I'm asking for an Apple-branded media center PC.)

As for a full-blown TV? I'm kind of happy with the one I have right now. Show me what I don't know that I want, and we'll see.
 
cantthinkofone said:
Why a tv? Yes it will look nice but what do you think it will cost? Im betting at least $2000 for a 42" 1080 LED. While others sell the same thing for half that.

Stick with computers, phones, and OS X apple.
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This post comes just days after we are reminded of all the know-it-alls that said Apple should keep out of the mp3 player market and stick to what in knows best. What Apple knows best is how to take a stagnant or complacent marketplace and kick it into its next paradigm. Therefore I would argue that tv is ripe for a bit of Apple intervention.

The only time I've ever felt uncomfortable with an Apple product was ping. It really felt like they were doing because they felt they had to.
 
Cathode said:
For a company who says the Apple TV is just a 'hobby' it still seems strange to me for to believe they would ever manufacture an actual television.

Although it would be pretty neat to see something like Facetime integrated.
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Apple will never ever manufacture a TV set.

They may get LG or Samsung to make one for them and put it into an Apple styled case with perhaps a modified Apple TV either built in, or in a removable card.
 
I would pay $2,000 for an Apple TV set. I don't even have an HD TV and this is giving me more of a reason to wait. I instinctively knew to wait during recent years. The Apple TV set sounds like it will do stuff we don't foresee.
 
blow45 said:
yeah and 90% of this forum didn't "get" the ipad even as close as a few months before its release. Never say never, not with apple at least.
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Yeah am ipad is the same as the devices listed... In what universe.

glennquagmire said:
still rocking ye olde flip phone and palmpilot, i assume. how's that working out for you?
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Now you know why the statement about ASSume came into play. Never had a palmpilot, no need for it but feel free to keep assuming. Still not even close to the same thing.
 
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I think that Apple has no other choice but to build a TV set.

1. The set top box approach obviously doesn't work for them right now.
2. The movie and TV shows section of iTunes store isn't a market leader. And all those smart TVs coming to market right know (with Netflix and other similar services preinstalled) are big threat for Apple.
 
I think it's a great idea. However, in order to be a worthy venture, it would have to be priced competitively and be positioned to not be outdated too soon. People do not upgrade their television sets like they do thier computers. phones, etc. A television is something the AVERAGE user buys and keeps until it breaks. And I would have to assume that Apple would want to penetrate a bigger market than the hardcore loyalists. Like it has done with the iPhone and the iPad.

I would also have to wonder if an actual TV would signal the end of the AppleTV set top box?
 
hynke said:
...2. The movie and TV shows section of iTunes store isn't a market leader. And all those smart TVs coming to market right know (with Netflix and other similar services preinstalled) are big threat for Apple.
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Actually, according to the estimates I saw a few months ago the iTunes Store TV and movie pay-on-demand business is a market leader. The only on-demand service that beats the iTunes Store is cable TV and only one of the cable providers in the U.S. does more on-demand sales than the iTunes Store.

This doesn't include the normal cable TV subscription services (which is larger by far) or the Netflix streaming service. Both of those are subscription services which iTunes obviously doesn't yet offer.
 
nishioka said:
That's what I'd like to see too. Maybe even go a step further and make a better set-top box. Give it a couple of HDMI inputs so it can serve as the hub for all your tv-related stuff. Build on the capabilities of the Apple TV. Put a hard drive in it. Maybe support CableCARD so you can replace your cable company's box...
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I don't see Apple making a traditional set-top box and CableCARD is basically dead.

What I could imagine is the media-aware, iCloud-enhanced AirPort Extreme that was rumored several months ago. That could be what Apple is waiting for since it could serve as the media hub for all of the other iOS devices (Apple TV, iPhone/iPad/iPod touch). You'd only need one of these to service your entire home and you need WiFi anyway so it would make sense to put it all in the same box (at some premium over a plain WiFi access point).

The Apple TV could then remain as a nearly dirt-cheap TV adapter (maybe even below $99 per unit) that you could buy for each TV you own.
 
Lennholm said:
We're not! The Apple TV is a great value product that works perfectly with our existing TV sets and have the potential to do all the things proposed by various people in this thread.
Now, the idea of adding a fixed display panel to it, that's stupid.
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It's only stupid to you, because you can't see a foot beyond your face, and don't have the imagination to consider the possibilities it would bring. The Apple TV is 'another box' which you have to switch inputs to in order to access, then switch back, etc. For most people thats a hassle and a point of friction. Multiple remotes, etc. Imagine iOS integrated into the foundation of the TV, and everything else built on top of that. Controlling it with a multitouch device. Built in facetime. Built in iCloud. Siri. Seriously, there's so much that APple can provide beyond AppleTV to revolutionize the TV- but for that it needs to build the whole unit. The fact that you think it's 'stupid', with your limited insight, doesn't make it so. You, and a bunch of other commenters here, would have said the same thing about every product Apple has released starting with the iPod. In fact, the posts are nearly IDENTICAL every single time. You never learn.
 
While everyone is focusing on the hardware aspect - especially the TV - a software guy is in charge. To me, it makes sense for Appel to find a way to integrate various sources into one seamless experience rather than try to build a better tv. Make ATV a compelling hub and you will change TV - and let the TV manufactures cut each other's throat on pricing.
 
gugy said:
Why a television set?

- Great competition out there.
- Low profit margins
- Huge costs on inventory distribution, warehousing due large displays sizes
- People do not update their sets at the same pace of computer or IOS devices.
- AIO device on a expensive set makes much harder to upgrade hardware

Can we get all the user experience, software marvel and latest tech on a small box like ATV? and for $99?

Sorry but unless Apple has a huge technology feature that only they can provide that will make a television set so desired by all of and make us willing to pay the premium price it will demand, a TV set seems like a waste.
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I completely agree. I own an Apple TV 2nd Generation and love it. I recently moved countries and just hooked it up to the TV in the shared flat where I am staying. It just works and I have the same experience I had back home without the pain of moving a huge TV across the world!

I don't want a new TV with an integrated "AppleTV", but I would love to see a new version of the AppleTV with Siri voice control and other new revolutionary new features which would make watching TV content, movies, photos, surfing the internet and gaming, on whatever TV I use, "magical"!
 
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