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iTunes for Windows... Concerns?
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Re: Re: iTunes for Windows... Concerns?
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iTunes for Windows...
might be ready much sooner, I think they are giving themeselves ample time, in order not to come out with a buggy iTunes, remember that windows is more unpredictable, and also they need to set themeselves up for a Windows mass
storming in to get the goodies, sort of a one day wedding-dress after season sale.
Thats how I see it if they release it too soon.
But I do agree that is has to be much sooner then at the end of the year.
You also have to consider that Apple has
a preocupation with quality, imagine if you get a blue screen of death on a Windows computer stating:" your computer needs restarting, except for the
iTunes application, that is perfectly fine"
thats my guess about the delay.
might be ready much sooner, I think they are giving themeselves ample time, in order not to come out with a buggy iTunes, remember that windows is more unpredictable, and also they need to set themeselves up for a Windows mass
storming in to get the goodies, sort of a one day wedding-dress after season sale.
Thats how I see it if they release it too soon.
But I do agree that is has to be much sooner then at the end of the year.
You also have to consider that Apple has
a preocupation with quality, imagine if you get a blue screen of death on a Windows computer stating:" your computer needs restarting, except for the
iTunes application, that is perfectly fine"
thats my guess about the delay.
Not to say I've never _ahem_ borrowed music off of acquisition or limewire, but if this were the case, I'd have "lost" a good bit of music and movies a long time ago.
"Um, I had the special edition DVD set of "The Fellowship Of The Ring", but I put it down somewhere in my house, and can't find it again. Can I just, you know, get a new one? Yeah, uh, thanks."
I'm sure this has been discussed elsewhere, but just because Apple posted the job after the iTunes announcement, doesn't mean that this will be the first person to work on the windows version. For all we know, they are replacing someone who moved on to another project (or company).
Music industry executives want greater control over consumption of their products? I am shocked. SHOCKED.
The level of control music industry executives want is what causes distribution schemes to fail. Even the RIAA cannot afford to make it inconvenient (or economically impractical) for customers to consume their product. They don't get this. Apple does, and Apple has managed to come up with a good compromise.
They would have had to impress this fact upon the labels to get the deal they got to start with. Before expanding the terms of the deal, the industry is going to try to push for a deal that gets them more control and more money, and Apple's going to have to push back and remind them that it's the balance inherent in their scheme that makes it succeed. This seems to be just the nature of doing business with the labels.
The music industry has a government-sanctioned trust racket going on. Somebody occasionally has to smack them in the head and remind them that they'll actually do less business by taking a totalitarian approach and trying to directly attach a vacuum hose to the bank accounts of anyone who listens to music.
I bought my first album in months off the Apple Music Store recently. I don't use file sharing networks either. When I do buy CDs, they're just a medium for getting music into iTunes and my iPod anyway. The CD itself goes straight into a box in the closet after that. In short, without the Apple Music Store, I exercise the choice the RIAA assumes nobody will: I don't consume their products at all.
Eighteen dollars a pop is an insanely inflated price, and for previous online pay sites (e.g. Liquid Audio), the deal they cut with the labels meant that it cost you more to download the album online than to go to the store and buy the CD, and the restrictions on the content meant it was annoyingly difficult to listen to your own music collection. They're going to try to do the same thing to Apple, and I sincerely hope that Apple understands this well enough to stick to their guns.
Huh? Ever heard of a backup?
Yes, if you lose your HD, everything on it will be lost. If you don't have a backup of your term paper or your photos collection or your music, it will be lost. However, it is incredibly easy to back up your data (just drag it onto a CD-R, for heaven's sake!)
Compare this to your mega-CD changer at home: not only is it difficult to lug the thing around, but when/if it breaks, is stolen, or melts in your house fire, you've lost your entire collection! And there's no easy way of backing up!
Re: Re: stock...
Supposedly, Apple makes more on the iPods than it does on iMacs, the figures I've seen bandied about are about 150-200 profit on an iPod. Also, rumors only, is that Apple makes about 1/3 on its sales in the Music Store. This is inline with retail music stores. I don't think he is far off the mark.
Supposedly, Apple makes more on the iPods than it does on iMacs, the figures I've seen bandied about are about 150-200 profit on an iPod. Also, rumors only, is that Apple makes about 1/3 on its sales in the Music Store. This is inline with retail music stores. I don't think he is far off the mark.
1. Know how successful iTunes for Windows (iTfW) will be? Leak the beta, or even the alpha, and watch the number of downloads. It doesn't even have to have the browser in yet, and Window user will be wondering why they've never switched before.
2. How far are we from a universal licensing format that cross borders? Wouldn't it be odd that music from other countries, especially independents, might not be available for your country and you cannot buy it without living there, yet it's already there on Apple's server. You can at least hear 30 seconds of it or watch some videos, like what the rest of the world is doing now with iTunes 4.
3. Talking about this, the 2 most populous countries, China (including Hong Kong, and also Taiwan [depending on whose side you're on]) and India, have a big music catalog, with Japan and Korea up there as well. The music has fans throughout Asia and the rest of the world. This is also the place of the highest piracy, of the CD sort rather than online. You might argue that internet penetration is low, but look at Korea, the most broadband-connected country (online gamers would know). But will Apple venture here, and soon? Only Steve Jobs know.
4. Will AMS be an independent company soon? Better get ready to buy the stocks!
5. One idea - if AMS can be turned into an in-store concept (i.e. bring an iPod to an Apple Store and purchase the music there), why not do it on-campus, with student discounts. Think that will work to slightly lessen (unlikely to stop) online sharing?
2. How far are we from a universal licensing format that cross borders? Wouldn't it be odd that music from other countries, especially independents, might not be available for your country and you cannot buy it without living there, yet it's already there on Apple's server. You can at least hear 30 seconds of it or watch some videos, like what the rest of the world is doing now with iTunes 4.
3. Talking about this, the 2 most populous countries, China (including Hong Kong, and also Taiwan [depending on whose side you're on]) and India, have a big music catalog, with Japan and Korea up there as well. The music has fans throughout Asia and the rest of the world. This is also the place of the highest piracy, of the CD sort rather than online. You might argue that internet penetration is low, but look at Korea, the most broadband-connected country (online gamers would know). But will Apple venture here, and soon? Only Steve Jobs know.
4. Will AMS be an independent company soon? Better get ready to buy the stocks!
5. One idea - if AMS can be turned into an in-store concept (i.e. bring an iPod to an Apple Store and purchase the music there), why not do it on-campus, with student discounts. Think that will work to slightly lessen (unlikely to stop) online sharing?
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Re: Re: Re: You don't get a free replacement for a cd bought
Sorry if I wasn't clear. What you're buying is the rights to listen to the music at your leisure.
Music is interesting in that no part of it can really exist independent of the element of time. You cannot capture music in a snapshot. We're not buying music, but a facsimile of how it sounds. A CD or mp3 file (or AAC) just contains a representation of the music.
Technologically, the scenario I put forth would have some hurdles, but a wireless library of music that is as accessible as your iPod or hard-drive (to the point where you couldn't tell the difference) would be like having movies on demand, only with music. As long as you had bought the rights to listen to a piece, it would be accessible to you anywhere at anytime. - j
Sorry if I wasn't clear. What you're buying is the rights to listen to the music at your leisure.
Music is interesting in that no part of it can really exist independent of the element of time. You cannot capture music in a snapshot. We're not buying music, but a facsimile of how it sounds. A CD or mp3 file (or AAC) just contains a representation of the music.
Technologically, the scenario I put forth would have some hurdles, but a wireless library of music that is as accessible as your iPod or hard-drive (to the point where you couldn't tell the difference) would be like having movies on demand, only with music. As long as you had bought the rights to listen to a piece, it would be accessible to you anywhere at anytime. - j
I don't care about the Music Store. I really don't like downloaded software, let alone a dollar a song for downloaded music. All I want is better compatability on the Windows platform with iPod. MusicMatch sucks... but it's all we Windozers have. I'd really prefer iTunes to match up with my iPod.
Re: Re: Re: Re: You don't get a free replacement for a cd bought
Don't understand the snapshot comment, but I certainly wouldn't want to have to depend on someone else's infrastructure in order to listen to my music ... reeks like only having public bathrooms in a mall would.
However, as a first step, Apple and the big 5 have introduced very liberal usage rights considering the recent past.
It will take time to have the record labels truly soften their iron fist. I think too many people are expecting too much, too soon.
Don't understand the snapshot comment, but I certainly wouldn't want to have to depend on someone else's infrastructure in order to listen to my music ... reeks like only having public bathrooms in a mall would.
However, as a first step, Apple and the big 5 have introduced very liberal usage rights considering the recent past.
It will take time to have the record labels truly soften their iron fist. I think too many people are expecting too much, too soon.
This type of thing has been discussed many times, HOWEVER, losing a CD is MUCH DIFFERENT from a hard drive failing. If you take care of a CD, then it most likely will last a long time, and you won't have worries of putting it in and playing it. However, sometimes you can't predict or prevent a hard drive failure (and if you say you can, then get ready, b/c when it happens you'll want to slit your wrists). I agree with the original guy that this makes purchasing very scary. Sure you say you can back up, but some people either don't know how (beginners), or don't have the time. Also not every mac compatible with iTMS shipped with a -r/rw drive...and not everyone can afford to just purchase one.
Sorry, that is pretty weak reasoning. Most people will buy music from the Music Store to either transfer to a portable player or to listen to on a computer.
Anyone who truly cares about their data will back it up. Should record stores be responsible for how or if a customer takes care of their purchases? I think not and neither should Apple.
I would like to see them post something on the main page of the Music Store advocating backup, but their hands could be tied with the record labels. And frankly, it would be taking bread out of their own mouths; lost revenues on new sales. They are in business to make money, too.
CD burners are cheaper than a pair of movie tickets, so there's still no excuse. I have a burner not compatible with iTunes, yet I use third party software to make backups perfectly fine.
I paid only $150 for a 40X CDRW almost a year ago, so imagine how cheap that'd be now. Imagine how cheap an 8x burner is now. Check PriceWatch.com, dealmac.com and others on the latest.
Sorry, the argument doesn't hold water.
All new technology has its ups and downs. Original 78s were extremely fragile, 45s and 33s less so, cassettes were more fragile than records, cds get scratched, hard drives need to be backed up. I certainly see your point but I don't think that downloaded music is any more susceptible to damage than any other form preceding it. I think it requires a different mindset more than the preceding types but its not that different.
Re: Re: Re: iTunes for Windows... Concerns?
I am guessing you haven't used both/either
kazaa or Neo a lot, because anyone with
any sanity what-so-ever would know that
Neo is 20x worse than kazaa.
I am guessing you haven't used both/either
kazaa or Neo a lot, because anyone with
any sanity what-so-ever would know that
Neo is 20x worse than kazaa.
Excuse me . . .
I may have completely misunderstood you, but if I do understand, first of all, there's no reason that Sony, Warner, or anyone else would pull out on the Windows version, and second of all, the music is stored on a server, not some freaky-deaky (for lack of a better word) computer that keeps you from downloading to Windows. . .Like I said, I could have misunderstood you.
I may have completely misunderstood you, but if I do understand, first of all, there's no reason that Sony, Warner, or anyone else would pull out on the Windows version, and second of all, the music is stored on a server, not some freaky-deaky (for lack of a better word) computer that keeps you from downloading to Windows. . .Like I said, I could have misunderstood you.
And, until you buy a mac assuggested by a couple of other people, get ephpod. www.ephpod.com
free, easy, blah blah blah.
But no, it's not iTunes. Get a mac.
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hence, if microsoft plans a "counter " attack, it would be better if itunes would already be up and running on the machines. ... otherwise there is a big chance apple s music service is blown away.
Re: Re: Re: Re: iTunes for Windows... Concerns?
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Neo is 20x worse than kazaa. [/B][/QUOTE]
20x worse that kazaa?? ouch ouch
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Neo is 20x worse than kazaa. [/B][/QUOTE]
20x worse that kazaa?? ouch ouch
Learn the power of www.google.com
You can do more with programs that are not iTunes or MusicMatch...
http://www.ephpod.com/
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ack! mim stole my thunder...
sorry about that http://www.ipodlounge.com/downloads_windows.php
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