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Hardly anything ever goes on sale on the Apple Video Store.

Err, I couldn't disagree more. There are sales every week. Looking just at the carousel right now, Dawn of the Planet Apes is $4.99, Dreamwork Animation films are on sale at $10, and the entire Twilight saga can be had for just $9.99. Scroll down, and you have a $10 sale on american hero films. Go down even further, and there is a $10 sale on family friendly classics. Oh, and don't forget all the past Spider-Man films. They're all $10 right now too. And thats just last week's sale. Tomorrow will have another great round of other discounts. And that's only stuff Apple wanted to show on the front page. I've gotten a bunch of other movies and TV shows that were secretly discounted by adding them to my wishlist and just watching their prices.

I'm always looking forward to each week's new specials and have gotten a ton of films for $4.99 - $9.99. But in regards to the article, I hope that Apple has large plans for the Apple TV and 4K iTunes movies and TV show support later this year. That should provide a boost
 
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Most of the time I buy the Blu-ray with the included iTunes digital copy just like you said, for the same price as the digital only on iTunes. Why not get both for the same price and have a physical copy. Besides, in my limited and unscientific tests, I prefer the sound from a physical BD disc over the digital copy on my surround system.

One thing that Apple could do to make me consider paying current prices for movies would be to offer the soundtrack/score bundled with the film.

Seriously, your soundtrack idea is novel and brilliant. That would be enticing to me as well.
 
Hardly anything ever goes on sale on the Apple Video Store, theres no free streaming option or subscription service, and Apple Video only works on Apple devices

Amazon Prime and Netflix are build into every single smart device that hooks up to a TV and even built into a TVs.

if everyone continues to support open source cross platform models, maybe apple will get the picture and open up its environments, operating systems and otherwise, to compete. Otherwise it will continue to be business as usual. Apple needs to change since they cant corner the market with smoke and mirrors anymore. Bunch of overvalued underspeced garbage electronics and software. Case in point, Siri can open the music app, cue up a specific track or select shuffle, but cannot perform something as simple as adjust volume...how does that even make sense. Apple is such a sack of crud right now and no matter how much "analysts" predict it will be worth, thats all its going to be until it changes. I would not be surprised to find out that some of its employees or investors are cashing out stocks to buy and store product stock to help it's quarterly numbers since its such trash and falling behind.
 
So many posts in this whole thread basically lay blame at cost- cost of videos, cost of hardware, etc. There's other cost-minimizing wants too like (Apple should) start a Netflix-like service for their videos, an Apple Video service that works like Apple Music, and/or Apple should just buy Netflix, etc.

And this makes about zero sense for Apple people who are so quick to stand in line per "shut up and take my money" for multi-thousand dollar laptops and thousand dollar phones. Countless threads about Apple losing phone marketshare will have counter point (almost proudly asking) "but who has the most profitable phone?". Other threads will gush about "$2XX Billion in the bank". Recently, threads have begun to excitedly anticipate Apple as the first trillion dollar company (like any such corporation is personally good for us individual consumers).

Apple likes it's profits. Fat profits is how it's going to become a trillion dollar company. All stuff sold by Apple is going to get Apple it's profits be that new tech or watchbands. Hunting for something from Apple that is also a monetary "bargain" is almost never going to happen. It's like we believe Apple can launch a Netflix-like service and would do so at Netflix-like prices. No way- even Netflix can't get the newer stuff available from Apple into distribution at Netflix pricing. OR we want Apple to buy Netflix but apparently believe that Apple would then leave Netflix pricing about where it is. No way. Apple likes it's profits. All decisions seem to start with profit margin and/or "thinner" and then work out the rest from there.

Beyond pricing, buying via iTunes means you don't own what you buy. Even Apple doesn't own what they are selling. Ultimately, the Studios can yank their content right out of this "digital locker" and you just lose their part of some virtual video collection "in the cloud." IMO, best option for price and ownership entirely within your control is still buying discs. Convert them yourself and you also control video & audio quality. And you have a tangible backup should your hard drive(s) conk. Discs are often cheaper- especially in the used market where a used digital file suffers no degradation vs. new. And discs can be sold or willed to someone unlike virtual leased files.

The whole trust iTunes, trust "the cloud" mentality is basically letting "the future" spin fool some of us into believing for-profit strangers won't exploit their total control of your virtual media collection at some point.

Personally, I'll agree that media cost is a major factor, along with the thoroughly-walled garden and cost of playback hardware :)apple:TV (vs. many competing boxes generally offering more punch for less cost). I'll also offer lack of focus as a culprit- while Apple still seems to be treating it as a hobby, much smaller players with much less cash have focused teams striking deals to make their offerings more attractive. I really like :apple:TV but wish Apple would allocate a ROKU-like or similar team to focus solely on making it ever-more appealing & capable.

Lastly, I'll also offer that the big media companies probably want it this way. They saw how Apple thoroughly dominated their music-industry cousins and don't want to find themselves so beholden to Apple as major distributor. Apple as one distribution partner among many seems to be good for the industry. Apple as the overwhelming dominant distribution partner seems to be good for Apple.
 
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The way I buy music is the same way I buy movies. I only buy the physical media if I love the movie, otherwise I just buy the iTunes version. Physical media takes up space so it has to have a lot of value for me to sit on my book shelf.
 
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Most of the time I buy the Blu-ray with the included iTunes digital copy just like you said, for the same price as the digital only on iTunes. Why not get both for the same price and have a physical copy. Besides, in my limited and unscientific tests, I prefer the sound from a physical BD disc over the digital copy on my surround system.

One thing that Apple could do to make me consider paying current prices for movies would be to offer the soundtrack/score bundled with the film.
This is what we buy as well. It's a win/win and I can still watch the movie if it gets pulled from iTunes in the future.
 
Same old story. Apple services available only on Apple products. Other services available on a plethora of devices. Of course Apple is going to lose market share.
 
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Redbox is also garbage. Do tell me, when is the last time you've had a conversation with a red box? One that ended up with you renting or buying a movie you otherwise wouldn't have heard about? Are you friends with said red box? Attended any concerts or conventions with it?

I never have and never will use that (dis)service.
[doublepost=1499690106][/doublepost]And back on topic, unless there's some collectors edition physical copy, I only buy movies from iTunes. Any physical disc I buy has to have an iTunes digital copy, not that VuDu crap.

You're right! I prefer having conversations with my friends before they rent their catalogue to me, or my Apple TV before I stream a show, or the homeless person at the theatre before I order a ticket.
 
I would never buy or rent a film on itunes. You can usually get the DVD or blue ray for the same price. Or you could subscribe to Netflix for a month for half the price.
If you want to watch a movie tonight though, and it's not on Netflix, you're out of luck. Are you really finding movies you can purchase on blu-ray or even DVD for under $5? Because that's how much a lot of iTunes movie rentals cost. There are no video rental places anywhere near me anymore, and for like 90% of the movies I watch, I have no interest in owning them at all. I'm just replicating the theater experience as well as I can: pay, watch it once, move on.

I generally find iTunes rentals play very well, and I appreciate that they seem to buffer a lot more aggressively on Apple TV, so that when you do start it some glitch in your connection doesn't throw you into SD territory. I've had that problem with Netflix a lot in the past, and more recently had terrible experiences streaming Amazon stuff through my PS4.
 
This already exists. It's call "Ultraviolet" and is nothing more than a top-level DRM Management service.

Ultraviolet's license makes it clear you do not own your purchase - you have a license to play it back for a period of time. And while the Ultraviolet FAQ claims that your rights never expire, the guaranteed playback period on the only UV title I own was specifically listed as three years (it was printed on the case of the BluRay disc, which came with a "free" digital copy).
 
You're right! I prefer having conversations with my friends before they rent their catalogue to me, or my Apple TV before I stream a show, or the homeless person at the theatre before I order a ticket.

You clearly missed the point. Even a chain video rental store was better than red box.
 
Beyond pricing, buying via iTunes means you don't own what you buy. Even Apple doesn't own what they are selling. Ultimately, the Studios can yank their content right out of this "digital locker" and you just lose their part of some virtual video collection "in the cloud."
If you are so paranoid about it you can download iTunes movies and back up the files. There is no way for the studios to remove those.

But the best insurance against this kind of thing is that the studios know very well that they'd kill their own business if they just removed purchased movies from peoples' libraries.
 
Ultraviolet's license makes it clear you do not own your purchase - you have a license to play it back for a period of time. And while the Ultraviolet FAQ claims that your rights never expire, the guaranteed playback period on the only UV title I own was specifically listed as three years (it was printed on the case of the BluRay disc, which came with a "free" digital copy).

Understood, but the reality is that all digital DRM-based systems are essentially available 'for a long as the core system stays in place'. Even the 3-year guarantee doesn't really change that.

All of that said, my post was in response to a request to have everyone get onboard with a common rights-management scheme. UV does this. All it would take is for Apple to link iTunes to UV and magic would occur! We could instantly have disc-to-digital conversions, access everywhere, etc. I'm certainly open to another approach, but IMO Apple needs to at least mimic the functionality of Ultraviolet.
 
Ultraviolet's license makes it clear you do not own your purchase - you have a license to play it back for a period of time. And while the Ultraviolet FAQ claims that your rights never expire, the guaranteed playback period on the only UV title I own was specifically listed as three years (it was printed on the case of the BluRay disc, which came with a "free" digital copy).
Your own link says this:

"The right to an UltraViolet movie is perpetual and remains in your Library unless you delete it. UltraViolet rights never expire. Once you download a movie you can play it as many times as you like."
 
Hardly anything ever goes on sale on the Apple Video Store, theres no free streaming option or subscription service, and Apple Video only works on Apple devices

Amazon Prime and Netflix are build into every single smart device that hooks up to a TV and even built into a TVs.
Yep spot on. What's people's thoughts on which service is the better video quality?
 
You can do exactly that with iTunes movies.

I don't necessarily disagree with what you say on pricing, but many new releases are available for $15 on iTunes and other digital platforms, while newly released Blu-rays are often $20 or more. And for older movies, iTunes has frequent sales for $5-$10.

I don't order a lot of movies anymore, because I have, over decades of buying movies in different formats, ended up purchasing the same movie 3 or more times (Betamax, Laserdisc, VHS, DVD, BluRay and electronic). But on the times when I have bought a movie I can't say I've found iTunes to be cheaper. Or if it is, it's only a dollar or 2, and once again you don't get a hard copy from iTunes. And as I mentioned my internet speed sucks and I have no options other than satellite beyond the one DSL provider in my area. All the neat Apple TV features are streaming specific, as is the default playing method. I don't know if it's been fixed but I had a problem with ATV where the only way I could play from my downloaded library was to disconnect my internet. If ATV saw an internet connection it tried to use that as the source tinstead of a stored tv show or movie.

A lot of the studios are also creating their own stores now, and at least for a time the shows/movies are not available on iTunes. For me, and it is somewhat a combination of my circumstances and Apples, iTunes is not the easiest or most reliable provider.
 
If you are so paranoid about it you can download iTunes movies and back up the files. There is no way for the studios to remove those.

Paranoia doesn't grant you the same abilities to also sell discs or will them to someone else.

And there's nothing wrong with me not just towing the company line. There's many ways to buy & rent video content. The Apple way is not the one best way for all consumers everywhere.

But the best insurance against this kind of thing is that the studios know very well that they'd kill their own business if they just removed purchased movies from peoples' libraries.

And yet, if you follow threads related to video, this regularly happens to people. Curiously, they do it and it doesn't kill their businesses. What probably does happen is it wakes some people up that "trusting the cloud" is basically asking for such stuff to happen. Some learn their lesson and switch back to a model that allows them to physically possess a copy even in some wild scenario where some Studio business was completely killed. Such people can also buy the movie for less and typically get better quality picture and audio to boot.

The one great advantage of streaming from the cloud is convenience. It basically builds a virtual Blockbuster store right inside your steaming hardware. On-demand rentals is a very nice option. But "buying"??? Why lock oneself to a single source using a single corporation's DRM and other people's choices about quality of picture & sound? Why give up more tangible ownership for virtual ownership? Why give up the ability to loan, sell or will a video collection? Etc. Especially when you can own all of these benefits for less than they cost from the other option?
 
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Paranoia doesn't grant you the same abilities to also sell discs or will them to someone else.

And there's nothing wrong with me not just towing the company line. There's many ways to buy & rent video content. The Apple way is not the one best way for all consumers everywhere.



And yet, if you follow threads related to video, this regularly happens to people. Curiously, they do it and it doesn't kill their businesses. What probably does happen is it wakes some people up that "trusting the cloud" is basically asking for such stuff to happen. Some learn their lesson and switch back to a model that allows them to physically possess a copy even in some wild scenario where some Studio business was completely killed. Such people can also buy the movie for less and typically get better quality picture and audio to boot.

The one great advantage of streaming from the cloud is convenience. It basically builds a virtual Blockbuster store right inside your steaming hardware. On-demand rentals is a very nice option. But "buying"??? Why lock oneself to a single source using a single corporation's DRM and other people's choices about quality of picture & sound? Why give up more tangible ownership for virtual ownership? Why give up the ability to loan, sell or will a video collection? Etc. Especially when you can own all of these benefits for less than they cost from the other option?

You said much more coherently what I tried to say in a couple of posts above.
 
Recently, threads have begun to excitedly anticipate Apple as the first trillion dollar company (like any such corporation is personally good for us individual consumers).

Amen to all your points, particularly this one. When ideas and companies evolve into huge entities, they become less idealistic, less humanistic, less empathetic, and unreceptive. Everything that reaches that critical mass becomes corrupt and deaf to criticism... big government, big agriculture, big banks, big religions, and so on.
 
Paranoia doesn't grant you the same abilities to also sell discs or will them to someone else.
True, but that's not what you were talking about.

BTW, I ended up throwing away lots of my old DVDs because you get next to nothing for them and it's not worth the hassle.
And yet, if you follow threads related to video, this regularly happens to people. Curiously, they do it and it doesn't kill their businesses.
No, this does not happen regularly. Sometimes movies get removed from the store fronts (i.e. they are no longer for sale), but movies being removed from the libraries of existing owners is exceedingly rare if it ever happens. I am not aware of a single documented instance. I have quite a few movies and TV shows on both iTunes and Ultraviolet and not a single one of them has ever been removed from my library.
Why lock oneself to a single source using a single corporation's DRM and other people's choices about quality of picture & sound?
Discs also have DRM (yes, I know you can circumvent it, but the same is true for iTunes movies). And "other people make choices about the quality of picture & sound" when mastering discs too. And quite often they release mediocre discs first, so they can later cash in again with a new "remastered" edition.
 
True, but that's not what you were talking about.

Right, you were the one to toss paranoia at what I was talking about.

BTW, I ended up throwing away lots of my old DVDs because you get next to nothing for them and it's not worth the hassle.

How much can you get for your iTunes-purchased collection?

And say you and I are close friends:
  • Could you sell me even one of your iTunes-purchased movies?
  • Could you loan one movie to me?
And there is a vibrant market for used DVDs and BDs. You COULD have got something for them. Even pawn shops would readily buy them, albeit pretty cheaply. You can't sell a single iTunes-purchased movie for any price.

No, this does not happen regularly. Sometimes movies get removed from the store fronts (i.e. they are no longer for sale), but movies being removed from the libraries of existing owners is exceedingly rare if it ever happens. I am not aware of a single documented instance.

Then, I encourage you to go hunting because you will find instances of this happening. It does happen. Just because it hasn't happened to you and/or you've never noticed anyone sharing it happened to them doesn't mean it never happens.

Discs also have DRM (yes, I know you can circumvent it, but the same is true for iTunes movies).

Discs DRM play just about anywhere and in just about any disc hardware. iTunes DRM plays only in very select hardware & software, only from a single company. Personally, I consider that almost apples to oranges rather than about the same as you seem to be implying.

And "other people make choices about the quality of picture & sound" when mastering discs too. And quite often they release mediocre discs first, so they can later cash in again with a new "remastered" edition.

I'm yet to see a BD disc roll out with lower quality sound than Dolby Digital. Very often, a BD disc is going to include an audio codec that is much more modern than 1991's Dolby Digital. Is it possible to get a lower quality picture or sound on some disc? Yes, anything is possible. But generally, BDs will deliver superior quality picture & sound vs. any streaming source.

And while one could potentially find some case of the conspiracy of releasing a mediocre disc first, generally, the disc will be considered the consumer reference quality edition vs. all other options. If you want to spin conspiracy, iTunes rolled out with lots of stuff in SD first, then a limited version of 720p, then 1080p and is still awaiting anything in 4K. Pot meet kettle.
 
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I have about 30 titles in iTunes, of which I bought 3 I think, with the others coming as freebies or included with Blu-ray packs. I have no compelling reason to use iTunes for video at all unless it's a freebie or an exclusive (yuck) I really wanted.

I have about 150 titles on Ultraviolet, all of which were included with Blu-rays.

I have about 10 Amazon videos, which is likely to grow slowly as the titles on there are all just HD titles that haven't made to to Blu-ray, and mostly paid for with stacked up credits from no-rush delivery or sometimes bonus credits at purchase of physical media.

Any film I want to keep I would buy the physical disc of, unless it is simply unavailable, or prohibitively expensive (e.g. a rare japanese release that would be hundreds to import...).

Digital media in the cloud is a fragmented mess with little confidence for my taste. Which is why I won't invest in it very much. Streaming subscriptions makes more sense I guess because it's similar quality but you're just renting... but I hate that model for stuff I want to buy and keep.

Ultraviolet's license makes it clear you do not own your purchase - you have a license to play it back for a period of time. And while the Ultraviolet FAQ claims that your rights never expire, the guaranteed playback period on the only UV title I own was specifically listed as three years (it was printed on the case of the BluRay disc, which came with a "free" digital copy).

I'm not saying you're wrong, but are you sure you aren't confusing the expiration date of the code redemption (i.e. how long you get until the code may no longer add the title to your library), rather than actual playback once you've redeemed?

I've never seen any UV title included with physical media that said the playback rights expired, only the redemption period (and even then, a lot of them that are past the expiration will still actually redeem, it's more like a 'may not' than a 'will not').
 
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