To be honest, Microsoft is not really their main competing platform any longer and haven't been for a while, that honour would probably go more to Samsung and Android nowadays, however considering that there are significantly more iPhones, iPods and iPads owners who use a PC rather than a Mac, you would think they would do more to enhance their experience. I for example have always had an iPhone and while I do have a perfectly stable Mac OS as a dual boot on my PC, I rarely use it. I could use it as my platform if I chose to, I just prefer Windows.
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iTunes Not Coming to Microsoft's Windows Store in 2017
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To be honest, Microsoft is not really their main competing platform any longer and haven't been for a while, that honour would probably go more to Samsung and Android nowadays, however considering that there are significantly more iPhones, iPods and iPads owners who use a PC rather than a Mac, you would think they would do more to enhance their experience. I for example have always had an iPhone and while I do have a perfectly stable Mac OS as a dual boot on my PC, I rarely use it. I could use it as my platform if I chose to, I just prefer Windows.
I assume that you know that the majority of iPhone and iTunes users actually use Windows on their PC right?
As little as Apple cares about Mac OS, I'm pretty sure Microsoft cares even less about Windows. Once upon a time, these were the core products for each company. It hasn't been that way for a few years now, though.
Apple's main business is the iPhone. I'm not sure what Microsoft is doing anymore, but they've explicitly said that Windows 10 is the final version of Windows - all we can expect with Windows from now on is an occasional odd new feature or bug fix - there will never be another major update, a Windows 11.
Is Linux really "ready for the desktop" yet ? I remember back in '95 when people proclaimed that it was. I used Linux for ~10 years back in that timeframe. Started with Redhat 5 (still have the floppy disks for nostalgia-sake !).Yes, but only after I put Linux on it.
If your friend's iMessage was hacked, it's because someone figured out her password. Moving to a different messenger platform doesn't solve that problem, and iMessage isn't any less secure than Signal.
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Nobody said it's a big deal.
iTunes is how you listen to Apple Music, watch movies, etc. on your Mac or Windows PC.
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Most people using an iPhone will neither connect it to a Mac nor a PC, as there is little need for that.
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That's kind of misleading. Windows 10 is the "final version" in the sense that Mac OS X is the final version of Mac OS — it's a big overarching release with biannual updates. Much like Mac OS X is now at version 10.13, Windows 10 has already had releases such as 1703 and 1709 ("Fall Creators Update").
It being the final version doesn't mean they've slowed down development, but rather that you don't need to buy upgrades any more; rather, everything comes through regular free updates.
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If you want to use computer games? No. If you want to surf the net and do productivity stuff? Sure.
I'd strongly disagree here. Mac OS 10.13 (or 10.12) killed my iMac. Supposedly my iMac was officially supported, but my iMac no longer boots. So it was a major enough of an update to do that.
The updates for Windows 10 were very minor. There's a person icon in the system tray that I ignore (I think it's something about bringing Outlook, Skype, and LinkedIn together?) Skype has a shiny effect when I mouse over. If major changes are happening, they're entirely behind the scenes and invisible to me (and I'm attentive enough to notice that extra shiny effect in Skype. I imagine most people just don't even notice the update happened at all.)
I don't really see how you read "10.13 is a minor update" into my post. My post was asserting that just because Windows 10 is called the "final version" doesn't mean that there aren't major changes in Windows 10 releases.
Windows 10 was introduced in mid-2015, so we can roughly compare its changes to those between 10.11 and 10.13. And indeed, there are similarities: 10.12 introduced Siri; Version 1607 significantly enhanced Cortana. 1703 introduced Night Light; 10.12.4 introduced Night Shift. 10.13 adds/improves VR APIs, as does 1703. 10.12 adds picture-in-picture; 1803 will add a tabbed cross-application view (Sets).
Many of the changes are relevant to tablets, as that's where Microsoft sees opportunities — for instance, 1607's Windows Ink.
Classic apps, for better or worse, are mostly left alone. That's good in the sense that they're more stable, but it's also the case that Microsoft isn't really evolving them. Eventually, they'll probably replace Windows Explorer with a UWP-based UI.
In contrast, Apple has stuck to their 2001 UI framework, so changes affect existing apps.
Does iMessage have a time deletion option, whereby if I send you a message, I can set that message to self delete anywhere from 1 minute to 1 week after you read it? I don't think so, and if that had been available with iMessage, there would have potentially been no messages to be snooped at hack time. Furthermore, as with Whatsapp, Signal is multi-platform across iOS, Android, Windows, MacOs, and Linux via a Chrome browser extension. I've yet to know for sure how her phone was hacked, but I suspect it was somehow through her iMac, which was indeed hacked via some email malware that she clicked. The hacker knew enough about Apple integration to get the info needed to hack iMessage. Perhaps iMessage has end-to-end encryption, but the fact that it is only available to Apple devices limits its overall usefulness in message security. There's no other reason for messaging software like Signal. iMessage will work pretty well for you as long as all your messages go to people with Apple devices, and as long as your Apple device integration is secure. That integration can be made secure, but requires the Apple device user to be purposefully security conscious. My friend - and many others of mine - was not. With Signal, once it is installed, and the users know how to use it, everything is transparently made opaque at either end node.
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Indeed. Linux wasn't mature for the desktop in 1995. If the last time you used Linux was in '95, you would have no concept of how it has evolved in the last 22 years. Linux not only gives me more flexible security and control over my computer, I don't have to rent Office software (LibreOffice works fine for my needs) or pay for my OS (unless I choose to donate to my distro of choice, which I do). Linux does require a little bit of computer skill (though much less now than even 10 years ago), and for that reason, still can't compete with Windows or MacOS for widespread usage by end users.
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I think you misunderstood Windows 10 if you are thinking it won't see function updates.
As much as Apple's gospel and officially supported ways are concerned (and hence in their expectation: the only ways) you need iTunes for those transfers.
And if you ever run into problems needing a DFU mode level reset you're looking at iTunes if you get by without transfers from PC as well.
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I forgot that abomination existed... You're right!
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I think at this point if you give an Ubuntu laptop to the average person they’ll still be alright. Updates can be set to automatic and few even require a restart nowadays.
I really wanted Ubuntu Phone to succeed...
You are definitely correct about Apple. Apple's Mac support has been relegated to ugly stepchild. They're becoming an iOS company. As to MS, Windows is still a staple for enterprise desktops and servers. Development of the desktop OS does appear to be slowing down, and they have that in common with Apple. That really says a lot about the future of desktops in general. In some form or another, the real future seems to be going mobile, both with devices and storage cloud services.
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Yes. I think / hope Linux will make some sort of headway into the mobile device market.
Pretty sure Android, which runs on Linux, already is the most popular mobile OS.
Yes, but only after I put Linux on it.
I hear you - I'm a Linux server admin by day. But for desktop use, I'll stick with a more mainstream OS. No real complaints about Windows 10.
Whether YOU see the business case for it or not doesn't change the fact that it would be freakin' sweet. iMessage would be a great alternative to the baked-in messaging apps on various Android phones.
If you need a business case, it would be another way for Apple to make inroads to Android users. If Android users see the convenience of iMessage, they may also consider looking at iOS as well.
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It's a shame that iTunes is the ambassador of Apple software to the uninitiated Windows crowd. iTunes is just as bloated and horrible on MacOS.
I have used Windows 10, and despite having a bit of a learning curve over Windows 7 (I gave 8 and 8.1 a pass), it works well. With the market share that Windows currently holds (whether though EOM installs or outright purchases), it's going nowhere any time soon. In fact, I really hope MS continues to kick things up a notch to shake the reputation of the Balmer era.
There are a lot of people who would use Android if it had iMessage. I don’t see the business case in making an Android app.
Yes. So would a million dollars on my bank account.
The point is Apple isn't going to port their software to a competing platform unless they have good reason to. iTunes for Windows exists so Windows users can purchase and listen to an Apple Music subscription, among other reasons. Apple Music for Android exists for the same reason.
Why would iMessage for Android exist, other than good PR? Until there's a good answer to that, it's unlikely to happen.
That's quite a stretch. iMessage isn't so much better compared to WhatsApp, Telegram, Threema and all the others that it would lead to a sizeable amount of users thinking, "oh hey, this is so great, I should switch to an iPhone!"