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For a single run-instance, you can workaround -- but to set it as the default requires a terminal sequence to allow GateKeeper to show it as an option.

Either way, it won't let you by default and they're slowly making it more obscure.

Once you've launched it you don't need to keep doing it - what is the problem with a once off right click and clicking on open to launch a non-signed application? How many times does this crap about 'Apple is trying to create a walled garden' needs to be resurrected? it has been going on since the App Store came to macOS and each year conspiracy theorists like yourself keep getting proven wrong. How many times must be proven wrong before you admit that you're wrong and cease speculating about something that'll never happen?
 
Once you've launched it you don't need to keep doing it - what is the problem with a once off right click and clicking on open to launch a non-signed application? How many times does this crap about 'Apple is trying to create a walled garden' needs to be resurrected? it has been going on since the App Store came to macOS and each year conspiracy theorists like yourself keep getting proven wrong. How many times must be proven wrong before you admit that you're wrong and cease speculating about something that'll never happen?

Calm down :rolleyes:

First Apple made it so they wouldn't run by default. Then they removed the option from Gatekeeper (fixable with terminal commands).

Having to do a song and dance to make it run (in ways that are absolutely not intuitive or even clear -- the only way you'd know is if you looked it up) is the next step.

Nobody knows for sure whether or not Apple will move that way or if they'll make running those applications only available in some kind of developer-mode. I think there's evidence of a shift in that direction -- all other Apple ecosystems are entirely locked, steps have been taken to discourage it, etc... Plus we know they love being in control of the ecosystem.

I'm sure not one to say "never!" as you do. Not sure why it upsets you so much, though.
 
Apple could use this chance to re-write iTunes for UWP, make it fast, streamlined, and reliable. But they won't.

I expect when/if this does ever come out it will be a direct port of the regular Windows app, as the likes of Spotify are. I can't say I see the point really.
 
No programmer with the skills of today's programming is able to re-create such a crappy experience and that's why they need more time to make it as bad as it used to be. :D
 
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No programmer with the skills of today's programming is able to re-create such a crappy experience and that's why they need more time to make it as bad as it used to be. :D

You sure ? I'm don't think experience is really that necessary when it comes to crappy programming skills.. (If you can call that itself a skill. lol)
 
Yes, shame on them for not pulling out all the stops to deliver their music client to the main competing platform. Next can we complain about them not giving out iMessage to Android devices?
What you fail to realize is that iTunes isn't just a gift to Windows users. You flat out need it if you have iOS devices.

That being said, I never understood the need for a Windows Store version anyways. Unless this becomes a unified Windows app with the ability to run it on my Xbox and listen to other music sources than the streaming services I chose NOT to use... what gap does it fill? I guess not needing the pesky Apple Updater could be nice, but meh... Not really a requirement either way when the main application itself does redundant version update checks itself anyways...

As for iMessage for Android... Yeah that'd be really nice.

Using my friends as a means to keep me tied to their platform is business-wise a fair method, but imagine if Apple didn't have iMessage as a lazy stabilizing factor... if they had to try more to keep you interested in their platform.

Oh well... I digress.

Glassed Silver:ios
 
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Lol, what does Apple deliver as promised as of late? iTunes for Windows might not be a huge priority but this seems symptomatic of more widespread issues.
iMac Pro is shipping, as promised. iPhone 8 is shipping as promised. iPhone X is shipping as promised, and wait times are quite short now. HomePod was a miss. You have to reach to find misses.
 
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1. Does the current marketshare of MacOS really amount to "competing" with Windows?

2. Wouldn't it behoove them to have their software easily available on ANY platform if they intend to squash competitors such as Spotify, Tidal, etc?

3. iMessage on Android would be freakin' sweet.
Try Signal Messenger. It works on iPhones and Android phones, and Signal Desktop can be added to the desktop Chrome browser on MacOS, Windows, or Linux. Not only can all devices sync with each other, it has secure end-to-end encryption and optional expiration times after messages have been read. The only drawback is that all parties in the messaging loop need to be using it.

As for iTunes, I have a feeling its lifetime is coming to an end, or at least it will be getting major revamping soon.
 
What you fail to realize is that iTunes isn't just a gift to Windows users. You flat out need it if you have iOS devices.

That being said, I never understood the need for a Windows Store version anyways. Unless this becomes a unified Windows app with the ability to run it on my Xbox and listen to other music sources than the streaming services I chose NOT to use... what gap does it fill? I guess not needing the pesky Apple Updater could be nice, but meh... Not really a requirement either way when the main application itself does redundant version update checks itself anyways...

As for iMessage for Android... Yeah that'd be really nice.

Using my friends as a means to keep me tied to their platform is business-wise a fair method, but imagine if Apple didn't have iMessage as a lazy stabilizing factor... if they had to try more to keep you interested in their platform.

Oh well... I digress.

Glassed Silver:ios
Windows 10S can’t side load apps. So it’s the only way to get iTunes on that PC. What if you own a bunch of movies on iTunes? You should just be resigned to never watching them on your PC? It’s not about watching on the Xbox.
 
Apple's iTunes reminds me a lot of the Windows now-defunct Internet Explorer browser. It is huge and unwieldly, and has its tentacles into all sorts of system functions not directly tied to its original purpose. iTunes tries to do backups and restores of multiple devices ranging from iThingies to Amazon Kindles, synchronization, streaming, browsing, books, etc. This not only makes it a potential hog of system resources, but increases the likelihood of security holes. This also brought down Windows Explorer - ponderously slow, with tons of security issues.
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"windows users are going elsewhere"

This assumes they even use iTunes on Windows. I have 3 kids with iPhones. None of them have iTunes installed anywhere. All of their music interaction is on their iPhones. I have no doubt there are Windows user out there with iTunes and some serious music libraries. That said this user type is a dying breed. Also what other local app options do they have on Windows? Groove just closed down and everything else is cloud (Google, Spotify, Pandora etc). I am sure there are some odd Windows apps like WinAmp, Windows media player or some of that old school stuff but that is few and far, far between.
The days of "ownership" of music in the form of local mp3's are likely numbered, going the way of CDs and DVDs. As networking improves, streaming from cloud services becomes more likely - of course, now that the FCC has removed net neutrality this may come at a considerable cost.
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Jobs said OS X was good for twenty years and it's been nearly twenty since he said that. The UI is not aging as well as Windows. UNIX started with a huge advantage but Apple has been sitting on that doing nothing but slowing it down with add-ons.
That's an interesting take on Apple's desktop/laptop OS. I have no idea what directions the desktop and laptop venues will take in the future, but my guess is that what we now call Macs, with their 20 year old BSD foundation, will morph into something radically different over the next decade. The same goes for Windows and Linux platforms. Windows, especially with the advent of 10, seems to be changing more quickly than OSX/MacOS, both with its UI and underneath the hood. It's even making strides toward being friendly with Linux as a development platform. Linux is also exploding in the UI area for desktops/laptops, and has been dominant with servers and ARM microprocessor kernels for some time. We'll see how Macs evolve to keep up.
 
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Thank you, Baby Jesus. Such a horribly written program.

Apple fans talk about how apple software is superior to Windows but all windows users have to judge this by is ITunes which is utter crap.
I wouldn’t call it “an utter crap”
It is just a “not very Mac-like experience" pile of a pooh
The white interface in all Mac apps recently, and no choice of black or gray interface is, indeed, very irritating
Invisible by day, blinding at night
 
If iMessage was on Android, probably millions would ditch iOS immediately for Android. Apple knows this.

If Americans ever start switching to an alternative messaging platform, Apple is in serious trouble.

Millions use whatsapp and Facebook messenger and apple is still raking in billions off iPhones and ipads.

I would wager if iMessage ever came to Android it would benefit everyone and apple wouldn't lose a dime, people who are on Android are there because that's what they prefer, same with people using iOS.
 
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Windows S users will have to wait a bit longer for the best Windows app ever to arrive in their store.

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The bigger and richer Apple become the poorer the company becomes in getting things done.

How does this have 54 uplikes? Since Apple got big, it's become much better at multitasking.

Remember when Mac OS X Leopard was delayed so resources could be moved onto the iPhone software? Or how all the new features of OS X Mountain Lion were apps that had been on iOS for at least a year?
 
You wouldn't... :)

But someone has to be the first... So you just might as well being :D
As per getting started using a new secure messaging service: Yep. In the case of Signal Messenger, I first tried it out after a friend of mine's messages (iMessage) on her iPhone was hacked, and I was one of the "hackees" caught up in the process. I'd read of its being recommended by Snowden when he was in communication with Glenn Greenwald a few years back in conjunction with his whistleblowing on NSA domestic snooping. I installed it on my phones, both Apple and Android, and sync'd up with my Chrome browsers on my Mac and Linux machines. I then helped my close friends install and use it as well - people I communicate with frequently, and don't want our conversations snooped upon. It's working just fine. I use both iMessage and Signal, but use signal for truly private communications. That's the way to start in using encryption.
 
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I must be missing something here ? Why Is this a big deal anyone that still uses iTunes is antique anyway and those users probably are still using windows 7... all jokes aside I don’t see why this is news. Does anyone even have windows 10s?? I didn’t even know that was really a thing what runs windows 10s?
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What you fail to realize is that iTunes isn't just a gift to Windows users. You flat out need it if you have iOS devices.

That being said, I never understood the need for a Windows Store version anyways. Unless this becomes a unified Windows app with the ability to run it on my Xbox and listen to other music sources than the streaming services I chose NOT to use... what gap does it fill? I guess not needing the pesky Apple Updater could be nice, but meh... Not really a requirement either way when the main application itself does redundant version update checks itself anyways...

As for iMessage for Android... Yeah that'd be really nice.

Using my friends as a means to keep me tied to their platform is business-wise a fair method, but imagine if Apple didn't have iMessage as a lazy stabilizing factor... if they had to try more to keep you interested in their platform.

Oh well... I digress.

Glassed Silver:ios
You don’t “need” I’ve used apple products for years without ever installing iTunes on my PC never needed it it’s such a antique software that is clumsy and redundant but then again I never need to transfer stuff to my and from my pc because there are apps that do it better.
 
Yes, but only after I put Linux on it. :)

Win 10 is fine, it's entirely inoffensive. And for graphics professionals (such as myself) the availability of both Direct X and the latest OpenGL make it the only realistic choice. I tried to live with a top end iMac for a while for graphics work, but the performance just isn't there due to a toxic mix of weak GPUs and a prehistoric, poorly performing version of OpenGL. Now I'm back on Windows and performance is back where it should be.

Plus as a gamer, Windows is in a great place now. After years of stagnation and weak console ports it feels like PC gaming is back where it should be on the cutting edge.

Of course there are still issues, there always will be, but I think Windows is doing fine now.
 
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