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Trouble with getting to 2nd page of Music Videos Plus?

I have successfully "upgraded" both ala carte songs ($0.30 ea) and ala carte albums ($3.00), and even a couple of Music Videos ($0.60).

However, I can't seem to get to the NEXT page of my MUSIC VIDEOS. It jumps to the 2nd page of my Albums! I have tried this from two different computers (both Apple).

Anyone else seeing this odd behavior? :rolleyes:

Regards,

Doug
 
We don't upgrade. We have ways of removing the DRM, not that I do anything with the DRM free song. It just sits in my itunes library. It's just nice to know I'm not limited to 5 computers or whatever it is.
 
I have had some issues with iTunes Plus. I upgraded my whole library ($40NZD) last week but iTunes keeps on saying that i haven't.

The music sounds good through AirTunes though... :D
 
I have successfully "upgraded" both ala carte songs ($0.30 ea) and ala carte albums ($3.00), and even a couple of Music Videos ($0.60).

However, I can't seem to get to the NEXT page of my MUSIC VIDEOS. It jumps to the 2nd page of my Albums! I have tried this from two different computers (both Apple).

Anyone else seeing this odd behavior? :rolleyes:

Regards,

Doug
Yes, I have the exact same problem and it's been happening for several weeks now (ever since I first checked after the MacWorld keynote on my Mac Pro). In fact, I just tried a second Mac (unibody MacBook) and the same thing happens there. I can only review the first 9 videos and when I hit the "next" button the music video page skips to the album section.
 
I'm sorry, but this whole "upgrade" to DRM free, 256 kbps seems like greed to me.

$0.30 per track adds up quickly. These iTunes Plus tracks weren't even available when I purchased the original tracks at $0.99. Now Apple wants to charge an additional $0.30 per track retroactively, when they only charge $0.99 for the iTunes Plus tracks today?

It's greed, pure greed. Loyal customers don't even get a price break. Apple has $billions in cash profits, yet they insist on treating their customers to such a shabby "offer". Oh they finally relent and let you upgrade by the track, because they weren't getting the huge cash bonanza they had hoped for by forcing you to upgrade your entire collection. Whoop-dee-doo-dah-day!

Sonically most people can't even tell the difference between a 192 kbps AAC track and a 256 kbps AAC track. So the real benefit is getting rid of the hated DRM. Is this really worth the potentially hundreds of dollars of cost to the customer?

I'm sorry but this leaves me with a bad impression.

Yeah, I feel same, but we always can convert drm-ed music to undrmed with requiem app for free, just dont share ur music, it will still have your info inside .
 
I was hoping for something like this.
My "do it all at once" price was out of control and getting worse.
 

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migration

Here's another subtle spin on the whole thing: migration...

Data needs to be migrated to new media over the years.
Re-save your data to a new drive, new backup sets etc...
LP:s re-recorded and burned to CD:s VHS re-recorded and burned to DVD.
etc. etc.
Apple is actually kinda partially doing a migration for you here.
You get the higher bandwidth of media wiuth one click.
I will do some listening, but I hope it is at CD level quality now...:rolleyes:

ah well FWIW YMMV
j
 
Here's another subtle spin on the whole thing: migration...

Data needs to be migrated to new media over the years.
Re-save your data to a new drive, new backup sets etc...
LP:s re-recorded and burned to CD:s VHS re-recorded and burned to DVD.
etc. etc.
Apple is actually kinda partially doing a migration for you here.
You get the higher bandwidth of media wiuth one click.
I will do some listening, but I hope it is at CD level quality now...:rolleyes:

ah well FWIW YMMV
j


They won't be CD quality - CDs are 1411kbps and these are 256kbps, but for the average listener, you wouldn't be able to tell. Trust me, they sound far superior to those nasty drm infected pieces of ___________.

This is great news. I freed about 300 of my songs last night, only 1212 to go :D.
 
What you BOUGHT was a computer file — not a "track," not a "song." You paid 99¢ before for a 192kbps AAC with DRM. Now you are paying 30¢ for a 256kbps AAC without DRM.

What you're complaining about is like complaining that you bought an album on cassette and now Columbia Records wants you to PAY :eek: for the CD! GASP.

What I bought was a song. The medium happened to be a computer file. No one seems to be listening to the fact that I COULDN'T CARE LESS ABOUT THE HIGHER BIT RATE! There are no restrictions on CDs or Cassettes. There aren't CDs you can ONLY play on Sony walkmans. Are you completely ignorant to the point I'm making?

People should never have been restricted as to what device they can play music on. Now that the music companies have agreed that songs should be DRM free, Apple should be removing that from the tracks instead of charging 30 cents, using a higher bit rate as an excuse for the cost.
 
are you serious? thats absolutely absurd, what's going to happen in 50 years? im sure itunes and your ipod wont exist anymore. then what are you supposed to do with your digital music library? all digital songs should be unlocked, whats yours is yours (especially when you pay for it). and for all the fanboys that think its ok for apple to charge an extra .29 to "upgrade" your songs to drm free, you're all crazy. the corporations LOVE customers like you.

Hey Orbs - are you aware that your calling Techmonkey absurd for completely agreeing with you? You need to actually read his comment before you go attacking him.
 
I first had problems with the initial release, my Linkin Park Minutes to Midnight album was updated with a clean version when this service first rolled out. You would think with my purchase history  would see that I originally had the explicit version. Why on earth would I want the clean version in an iTunes + format? That bug I hope they fixed for other users. It got Dr. Dre's The Chronic correct, but not Linkin Park's.

Now I just tried to get the whole album again in the explicit version through iTunes. I was presented with the Upgrade to iTunes Plus for this album, and it jumps to the page saying my download may still be in progress. Nothing downloaded though, no new album, not even one song. I go to my purchase history and nothing for today. I tried it again, and still nothing. Anyone else having this problem? Even checked for Available Downloads and it says everything has been downloaded.  you're killing me.

Update: Since it was updated with the clean version prior when iTunes + first rolled out after MacWorld, it no longer accepts me upgrading to iTunes + for the explicit version even though I deleted the clean version. Looks like I'll need to report this bug again to .
 
I first had problems with the initial release, my Linkin Park Minutes to Midnight album was updated with a clean version when this service first rolled out. You would think with my purchase history :apple: would see that I originally had the explicit version. Why on earth would I want the clean version in an iTunes + format?

I don't know how they're deciding what you get for the upgraded version, but it is very stupid. A few of the songs I've upgraded have turned out to be the same song from a different album. I've also gotten the same song from the same album, yet it's been renamed. The worst part is, when I end up getting a different song, none of the information from the old song is copied to the new one, and both are left in my library. Fortunately I haven't gotten any different arrangements because of this. The songs are still the same. But there's an egregious lack of quality control around this whole process.
 
Hey Orbs - are you aware that your calling Techmonkey absurd for completely agreeing with you? You need to actually read his comment before you go attacking him.

LOL, looks like you're the one who needs to read comments before attacking. i wasnt calling HIM absurd, i was agreeing with him that it's absurd what DRM does. silly
 
I was hoping for something like this.
My "do it all at once" price was out of control and getting worse.

are you guys all filthy rich on these forums??? i cant imagine paying $.99 per song for over 2000 songs, and then pay another $621 to "upgrade" them to drm free. im sorry but thats just crazy
 
.... Sonically most people can't even tell the difference between a 192 kbps AAC track and a 256 kbps AAC track......

Hi Jetson,

You may be right.

Hope you don't mind me just adding that I'd like to see an option for high bit rates. I'd like a Flac or another option to get this clarity too. I'm even willing to pay for it :eek:

iTunes tracks vary in quality. For me, ripping CD's is so far the best way to get quality compressed audio unless I am able to download a good track from iTunes.
You'd also probably expect a higher bit rate like 320 to be better when downloading legally from competitors. Sometimes this is true - they are better, but not always. Some of the tracks I've purchased at 320kbps have not been good (compared with iTunes or a CD).

I guess we all hope over time for innovation and quality from Apple including iTunes getting better.

Cheers for now
 
This is excellent news. While I did the all-at-once upgrade to the tune of $28 a few weeks ago, I'm pretty sure those were all songs/albums I would have wanted to upgrade anyway. My smart playlists tell me I still have 106 remaining songs that haven't been upgraded yet, and some of those were "test" purchases I made when the iTMS first opened. I bought a couple of songs I already owned on CD so I could do a double-blind listening test and see if the store quality was good enough for me. I certainly don't need to "upgrade" those songs, and now I won't have to when they move to iTunes Plus. :cool:

However, I'll also note that some of those 106 songs also will likely never be upgradeable. I posted this in another thread the other day, but it bears repeating here. I found at least 3 different circumstances where previously purchased songs were not eligible for upgrade in the iTMS:

  • Apparently if you got the song for free (remember the Pepsi promotion several years ago), it's not eligible for upgrade. Although I've had success with some of the free songs I got, others refuse to upgrade.

  • If you bought a single song, but that song was later converted to album-only, it is no longer eligible. This stinks because I bought a 4-song album piece by piece, as all 4 songs were available to purchase individually. Now that it's iTunes Plus, the two longer songs were made album-only. So my upgrade list only included 2 out of the 4 songs. If I had bought the album as a whole to begin with, the whole thing would have upgraded.

  • If the record company deletes and re-uploads the song, iTunes Store considers it to be a different song. Therefore you never purchased it, so you can't upgrade it.
In addition to the above, I know that some of my songs have been pulled completely from the store, with no replacement. So they'll forever remain Protected AAC 128kbps.

As I said the other day, I've had limited luck letting iTMS support know about my difficulty upgrading some songs, and they've sent me a few free song codes to help out. Definitely a nice gesture that they didn't have to do, but it wasn't enough to upgrade all of the songs that fell into the above categories. :rolleyes:

As for the whining about paying to upgrade, reallynotnick, Chupa Chupa, and others are right. You originally, willingly paid for a product with certain characteristics: 128kbps bitrate and DRM. You got what you paid for. There is now a higher quality version being sold: call it song 2.0. You can't possibly expect to get the new and improved product for free, even if it's being sold for the same price as the original. Just like software upgrades, cassette tape to CD, VHS to DVD to Blu-Ray, last year's car model to this year's, etc. Digital music is no different. A small upgrade price is frankly a nice gesture and not even required.

One could definitely argue that the previous all-at-once policy was pure greed - I wasn't too thrilled with it myself. But as I said to start this post, it's great news that they finally saw the light. The market worked. ;)
 
LOL, looks like you're the one who needs to read comments before attacking. i wasnt calling HIM absurd, i was agreeing with him that it's absurd what DRM does. silly


FYI, you're the only one that read your comments in the way you are describing. It is pretty hard to not get the opposite impression when your first sentence is: "are you serious?"

It might have sounded different in your head but in print in came across as if you were questioning the original poster's thinking.
 
I understand why everyone is so upset but you paid for what you got and if you want better you have to pay to upgrade.
Just because you bought iLife '08 and had to 'suffer' with worse features doesn't mean you should get iLife '09 for free.
When the Blu-Ray version of a DVD comes out doesn't mean you have the right to own that too.
Thank you. The first of many posts to bring common sense into this discussion.

I cant hear a difference between I-tunes and I-tunes plus. but I guess there is , but i cant tell.
It depends on what you play your music on. For 90% of the people, AAC128 is more than good enough.

But it's not an upgrade for me. It's not about better; I could care less about the bit rate. From my perspective, I'm being charged for the right to play the songs I purchased on any device, which is something I would argue should have been within my rights from the beginning.
But YOU KNEW IT WHEN YOU BOUGHT IT! So you would lose that argument. Yes, I agree it *should* have always been within my rights. But, there were a few tracks where I didn't need top quality sound and/or didn't want to buy the album, so I sucked it up. Believe me, I have always hated DRM, and that is why I didn't purchase many iTunes songs. But, when I did, I knew what I was getting into and accepted it.

What I bought was a song. The medium happened to be a computer file. No one seems to be listening to the fact that I COULDN'T CARE LESS ABOUT THE HIGHER BIT RATE! There are no restrictions on CDs or Cassettes. There aren't CDs you can ONLY play on Sony walkmans. Are you completely ignorant to the point I'm making?
I understand your point, but it is flawed. Again, 1) you knew what you were getting into. And 2), the earlier analogy is more accurate: do you expect to be able to trade in your cassettes now for CD, because the sound is better. You bought the "songs" on the cassettes, why can't you get the CD now for free is what you are asking. You say you can play cassettes on any cassette player, but take the car player for example. You can't find a car with a casette player anymore. So I guess you should be given a CD since the format isn't universal. Sorry not buying it.

And I'd like to reiterate I agree 100% that there *should* have never been DRM. But it was, so that's that. Plus, if you purchase soooooo many DRM songs, you obviously were happy with what you were getting, so why are you even looking at the upgrade? Just stick with what you have.

That all said, I do think a big reason for the charge for the upgrade is bandwidth. I would like to see what a couple people recommended where if you have a huge library you get like one fixed fee, like $99 for the whole thing, or a bulk discount or something like that.
 
But it's not an upgrade for me. It's not about better; I could care less about the bit rate. From my perspective, I'm being charged for the right to play the songs I purchased on any device, which is something I would argue should have been within my rights from the beginning.

Another way to look at it is that you got a $1.29 item for only $.99 because it was crippled.
 
Another way to look at it is that you got a $1.29 item for only $.99 because it was crippled.

Except that it isn't a $1.29 item. The uncrippled version is also only .99.

The fact is, if Apple thought it was so wrong to have DRM then when they got it removed they should simply remove the DRM from previously purchased tracks.

This argument about you knew what you were buying might not hold water. The fact is that since Apple is now going to be selling ONLY non-DRM tracks what is to say that they won't eventually stop playing the old DRM tracks. They should just remove it and be done with it.

The amount of customer loyalty they and the record companies will gain from this is tremendous. If they continue along this same path then the downside is also huge.
 
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