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Originally posted by woodsey
In my opinion, this is what apple must do if they are truely going to dominate the online music market.

1. Work like hell to get the music store available to those outside the US, thus increasing revenue from song sales, and especially iPod sales.

2. Make music previews work on dialup connections. It's impossible to get a feel for a track when i have to wait thirty secconds just to listen to five secconds of the song, before it lags again!
To 2, you know you can iTunes preferences to Store preferences and check download full music previews
 
I guess BuyMusic.com is going to go belly up very soon.

I wonder what happens to the music that was downloaded. Will it still play, it would suck if it didn't play anymore.
 
Originally posted by greenstork
Just of curiosity, and I'm not saying this to be antagonistic, but what upside does Apple have right now. They've just "blown the wad" so to speak with all their new product releases in the last year (read iTMS, iTunes for Windows, G5, Panther, etc.) Maybe I'm just being naive but I'm not sure what's in the pipeline right now. the stock market is all about what have you done for me lately.

<snip> I don't see any rumors on the horizon that are as earth shattering as iTMS, the G5, and Panther were this year. I'm curious what others think.
I don't think the G5 and Panther were earth shattering (great things, but expected really). iTMS and iTunes for windows is a small jump into some new areas (though the iPod itself was more the real surprise).

Apple has many technology pieces that could make some amazing things. Even something as simple as a cheap, snazzy looking unit to connect iTunes (Mac or Windows) to your stereo (imagine other things Apple could get this device to do and it quickly gets expensive!).

Not many companies have music stores, streaming video server software, presentation software, video players, music hardware, plus their development with firewire and rendezvous, PDA background, and experience with wireless (not to mention the Mac or MacOS at ALL)

So the upside is what Apple might do with all it's got. But who knows if they will.
 
Amount apple and artists make from a song

Info about the iTunes music store:

http://www.downhillbattle.org/itunes/

Now you'll feel wrong when you download from iTunes too... so just use Kazaa, it's cheaper
 
Re: Amount apple and artists make from a song

Originally posted by QFace
Info about the iTunes music store:

http://www.downhillbattle.org/itunes/

Now you'll feel wrong when you download from iTunes too... so just use Kazaa, it's cheaper

I really hope this was a sarcastic statement.:confused: Yes the site has valid points about artists getting very low percentages of the sales, but iTMS store is helping nonetheless and Kazaa definitely hurts the artists.
 
Re: Woo!!

Originally posted by Wash!!
Talk about the glass is almost enty according to you apple should be out of business by now omg the sky is falling!!!

Is this sarcasm?

Originally posted by Edot
Yes the site has valid points about artists getting very low percentages of the sales, but iTMS store is helping nonetheless and Kazaa definitely hurts the artists.

Hmm, I think you are being too generous.

Expensive? relative to CDs purchased used, I agree (where the artist get a penny to "recoup" from this second sale is beyond me). The fact a user can substitute a CD or second-sale CD for iTMS purchase shows that the price at iTMS is dictated by market forces, which explains why sales were bad until Apple got the record industry relax DRM restrictions and came up with the pay per download model. Almost no songs from the Big 5 can be had cheaper than 99c and a few are more expensive (like in Europe).

AAC is lossy (true) but so are CDs because they are downsampled to 16-bit from the 24-bit masters.

You covered the logical fallacy of claiming to support the artist on on hand and advocating peer-sharing on the other.

Apple's cut has yet to turn a profit so I'd hardly consider it "a huge amount considering how little they have to do" especially since they've beaten even their own projections 3 times so far. Perhaps thing would be more relevant had Apple not put up so many small record labels on iTMS. The amount that goes to artists is a generic issue with the Big 5--guess this person wants Apple to walk around with blinders on.

Then it digressed into an attack on the 60's. I wasn't living then so I stopped reading at that point.

A real pity because it has a great link to the RIAA Radar which I use when purchasing music.

My guess is the person is a PC user who wants to justify their continued illegal use of Kazaa and got pissed when Jobs says it's bad karma (it probably is, I'm no master here) and is stealing (it isn't, it's copyright infringement or "piracy").

Nice agenda, poor execution.
 
I was talking to my doctor yesterday about iTunes, and mentioned Napster 2. He knew about iTunes the first day, and he's not a huge Apple fan, but had no idea about Napster 2. Frankly, they screwed up their launch. They had no advertising except me seeing two commercials a week after the launch, you know, the really stupid metal one where the kitty uses a can of spray paint to inhance a part of his body...

Yeah, great service...

Also for the guy who thinks iTMS isn't great, lets look at it this way...

The average CD has 10 songs on it. The artist dosn't get $5 or even $3 per CD, but through iTunes, they get $1.10 per CD. Less goes to production, more goes to promotion.
 
It's not Apple's fault that musicians get such a low cut. That is the fault of 1) the record labels, 2) the musician's manager, & 3) the musician signing the contract. Perhaps the have no choice in the matter. Perhaps in the greedy rush to one-hit-wonder-MTV-stardom, the artist doesn't really care.
 
Re: Re: Woo!!

Originally posted by tychay

Apple's cut has yet to turn a profit so I'd hardly consider it "a huge amount considering how little they have to do" especially since they've beaten even their own projections 3 times so far. Perhaps thing would be more relevant had Apple not put up so many small record labels on iTMS. The amount that goes to artists is a generic issue with the Big 5--guess this person wants Apple to walk around with blinders on.
At one point recently, steve jobs said that the store was generateing a small profit although he and apple had never expected it to since it was supposed to be a loss leader. I believe he either said it in the last analyst meeting or the CFO said it in the last quarterly conference call.
 
Originally posted by yellow
It's not Apple's fault that musicians get such a low cut. That is the fault of 1) the record labels, 2) the musician's manager, & 3) the musician signing the contract. Perhaps the have no choice in the matter. Perhaps in the greedy rush to one-hit-wonder-MTV-stardom, the artist doesn't really care.
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In addition to what you have said, artists have never really made much money off of selling records. Artists make their money by having concerts, and do not expect to make much off of the records.
 
You people are missing the point!!!!

itms is all about selling ipods and getting people that uses winsuck to switch to the mac!! and so far it looks like is working for them, that is making uncle bill very nervous...
 
Originally posted by Mason
Correct me if my math is wrong, but since iTunes sold 1.5 million songs at 80% market share and Napster sold 300,000 songs, doesn't that mean the rest of the online downloading services sold a combined total of about 75,000 songs?

If that is the case, and the trend continues, I imagine it's only a matter of time before the other competitors start going under.

You are absolutely right, to be precise, the statement "over 80% market share" translates it "less than 75 000" for MusicMatch & Buymusic.
 
Originally posted by manu chao
You are absolutely right, to be precise, the statement "over 80% market share" translates it "less than 75 000" for MusicMatch & Buymusic.

Unless 100% = confirmed sales and that MusicMatch&BuyMusic are not counted at all since they're not confirmed.
 
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