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The IAP system is evil, plain and simple. It is a system of extortion designed to trick and deceive. No one in their right mind would allow such blatant scamming in any other area of life would they?

As an example, Candy Crush. You pay £0.69 for 15 more levels. Considering many people will get stuck on level 65 for weeks (which prevents more purchases), that's excellent value for money. However, £0.69 for five more lives is ridiculously expensive. Other purchases are ridiculously expensive. I can't see any extortion. If the user is an adult, then there is a certain amount of tax on stupidity, but I can't blame them for that.

For children, there is an age where I expect them to not know what they are doing up to a certain age. A 16 year old paying pounds and pounds and pounds in Candy Crush would be just stupid - but still protected by laws.

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Moral of the story - don't give your iPad to a four year old.

Absolutely not. Moral of the story: Make sure your iPad is kid safe. Which I did.
Keep an eye on them. Which I did. (I know what she's doing, and I'm not a spoil sport who has to stop her from doing anything).
 
How about this? How about these people just parent their damn children.

If I had a kid, and he racked up a $100 bill for app purchases, he's be mowing out neighbors yards and making the money to pay me back.

He/she would think twice about doing it again.

Have you ever met a kid before? Also, there are in app purchases. I swear it doesn't even feel like you're spending real money. It's nothing short of extortion and it's no surprise this has happened.
 
I'll bet the farm you've yet to produce offspring.

Considering I would wake up at 5 in the morning to play Zelda or Ice Climber when my parents specifically told me not to, I think it's a safe assumption to make that my kid has it in her to circumvent her parent's wishes.

Yes, but how about shutting off the ability to make in-app purchases? Pretty easy to do. How about taking away those toys at bed time?
 
That's precisely why you should use iTunes cards rather than using your credit card.

??? I still loose the money off the gift card. Or is your argument that I just won't loose as much?

So let me get this straight, I buy gift cards for the next however many years to be sure that if it does happen, I won't loose AS much money?

What denomination would you recommend? Keep in mind I have Hulu Plus and Netflix.

I prefer how things ended up, thank you very much. ^_^

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Yes, but how about shutting off the ability to make in-app purchases? Pretty easy to do. How about taking away those toys at bed time?

I do.

You're bringing up some features/issues that used to not exist or features/issues that were just recently added.

Also, I just got done explaining that just because a person disciplines a kid and take things away from them, doesn't mean they can't try to sneak in some play time when I'm not looking.

My kid must've snuck a peek at me typing in my passcode for my phone and I only found out she knew it when she told one of her friends what it was to turn on my phone and play with it. And she's FIVE YEARS OLD. Lord help me.

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I'd like to add that I PERSONALLY have never had a charge that my kid made me pay for unwillingly. I've actually shown her the button that says FREE and that she shouldn't even ask about me downloading a game for her unless it's free. And she's adhered to this 100%. Having said that, I can easily see how this happened to parents before Apple finally added these extra safeguards to iOS.
 
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I'll bet the farm you've yet to produce offspring.

Considering I would wake up at 5 in the morning to play Zelda or Ice Climber when my parents specifically told me not to, I think it's a safe assumption to make that my kid has it in her to circumvent her parent's wishes.

When can you sign over the farm to me as you're incorrect on that assumption?

And this isn't like NES - I get that it would be impractical to disconnect the entire system. But all phones today have a passcode feature to log in. By your example, imagine if to turn on your Nintendo you'd have to enter a PIN. Probably would have curbed that behavior quickly.

If you child can get around passcodes and PINs via brute force hacking, then they deserve all the smurfberries your credit card can handle because if they didn't, someone else would.
 
When can you sign over the farm to me as you're incorrect on that assumption?

Then skin me alive and call me luggage. :D

Regretfully, I don't actually have a farm as it were.

But my kid has in fact on one occasion learned my PIN. She has not yet spotted my password.

She has been disciplined for this. :p

(I don't want to make her sound like a criminal, she's actually really well behaved for the most part, and has yet to have had a bad behavior moment in public in her 5 year tenure on this planet.)
 
What If I can't remember if I got charged because my kid used my phone ?

Can I still file the charge and they will check on their side ?

If you have no proof and no conscience, you can.

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Have you ever met a kid before? Also, there are in app purchases. I swear it doesn't even feel like you're spending real money. It's nothing short of extortion and it's no surprise this has happened.

How can any one be surprised? Apple is of course responsible for people's actions.
 
Then skin me alive and call me luggage. :D

Regretfully, I don't actually have a farm as it were.

But my kid has in fact on one occasion learned my PIN. She has not yet spotted my password.

She has been disciplined for this. :p

(I don't want to make her sound like a criminal, she's actually really well behaved for the most part, and has yet to have had a bad behavior moment in public in her 5 year tenure on this planet.)

LOL! I mean - I get it. My point to the 'inattentive parenting' thing though is to know what your kids are playing. Just be aware. Know if there is an IAP service attached and take preventative measures (including deleting the app if you can't effectively control purchasing). Not implying this is you, but I see a lot of kids just get handed an iPhone/iPad/etc. just as a means for the kid to be quiet. They've become $500 pacifiers.
 
LOL! I mean - I get it. My point to the 'inattentive parenting' thing though is to know what your kids are playing. Just be aware. Know if there is an IAP service attached and take preventative measures (including deleting the app if you can't effectively control purchasing). Not implying this is you, but I see a lot of kids just get handed an iPhone/iPad/etc. just as a means for the kid to be quiet. They've become $500 pacifiers.

You know, this brings up something else I wish I could change... the huge list of purchased apps that shows up even after they're deleted off the phone. It's funny to hear stories of people who don't like the fact that they have dating apps on their "apps not on this device" lists 3 years after they get married...
 
You know, this brings up something else I wish I could change... the huge list of purchased apps that shows up even after they're deleted off the phone. It's funny to hear stories of people who don't like the fact that they have dating apps on their "apps not on this device" lists 3 years after they get married...

Google Play implemented the ability to do just that about 6 months ago... ;)
 
wtf...

This is so lame... aren't there parental controls for this or something?

This shouldn't be Apple's fault at all, what a pathetic ruling.

You put your card info into the account, you gave your kid the device without taking time to investigate the ramifications...

What if I was at a hotel and my kid ordered room service? Should the hotel be paying me back for the cake he inevitably would have eaten?

The people's sense of responsibility in this country is shrinking more and more as they turn to legal systems to solve their problems.

Sad day.
 
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This is so lame... aren't there parental controls for this or something?

This shouldn't be Apple's fault at all, what a pathetic ruling.

You put your card info into the account, you gave your kid the device without taking time to investigate the ramifications...

What if I was at a hotel and my kid ordered room service? Should the hotel be paying me back for the cake he inevitably eaten?

The people's sense of responsibility in this country is shrinking more and more as they turn to legal systems to solve their problems.

Sad day.

Now someone correct me if I'm wrong (and it's happened once in this thread already) but I was under the impression that the safeguard features weren't actually implemented until iOS 4.3. Were these allegations before or after this update?
 
I see a lot of kids just get handed an iPhone/iPad/etc. just as a means for the kid to be quiet. They've become $500 pacifiers.
Hell yeah! And it's a damn effective pacifier, too. Makes road trips much, much quieter. You should be happy, quieter means safer :D.
 
??? I still loose the money off the gift card. Or is your argument that I just won't loose as much?

So let me get this straight, I buy gift cards for the next however many years to be sure that if it does happen, I won't loose AS much money?

What denomination would you recommend? Keep in mind I have Hulu Plus and Netflix.

I prefer how things ended up, thank you very much. ^_^



You buy a $10 iTunes card and your kid isn't going to rack up $100 in charges.

Of course, the bottom line is that you don't give your iDevice to your kids to play with unsupervised. Take the responsibility for your choices.
 
How about this? How about these people just parent their damn children. If I had a kid, and he racked up a $100 bill for app purchases, he's be mowing out neighbors yards and making the money to pay me back. He/she would think twice about doing it again.

Spoken like a true, childless parent! It's not all black and white, you know. I've heard a few of these would-be parents proclaim how they would be good disciplinarians, and how they would do things differently, and how their children would be wonderful, well behaved and adored by everyone crossing their path.

Life happens, and you could be the model parents, and still, in spite of your best efforts, kids sometimes do the darndest things while growing up. I'm sure in your hayday, you've done a few things that raised some eyebrows.

But in spite of all that, kids are still a blessing! Ask any couple, unsuccessfully trying to conceive.
 
You buy a $10 iTunes card and your kid isn't going to rack up $100 in charges.

Of course, the bottom line is that you don't give your iDevice to your kids to play with unsupervised. Take the responsibility for your choices.

Once again, as I noted, remember these devices are linked to accounts that get charges for video services twice a month that would render this kind of a pain.

Plus, as I mentioned my devices ARE locked down. No in app allowed.

And please, I'm just asking for the simple curtesy, can anyone verify that these features were available pre iOS 4.3 and do the lawsuits have an origin earlier than this?

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it's all about making more money, tech giants like apple should stop doing this.

They basically HAVE stopped it. This lawsuit is about the past. (As many often are. ^_^)
 
I'm sick and tired of people not taking responsibility for their lack of parenting. We do not need to have a child to know how to parent the kid. If you're going to give a kid a digital device, then you need to ensure the following:

- Make sure that it has no CC associated to it.
- Make sure You're not logged in to the App Store, Google Play etc.
- If it has Carrier Data Service, remove the sim card or contact the carrier to restrict all third party charges and premium messaging etc.

If you can't follow these simple steps, then you should not give a kid digital devices as you will incur charges and then play the victim part.

We don't need multiple log-in systems, or more password locks, or more lawsuits. If you're gonna sue somebody go sue yourself for being a bad parent and being negligent
 
This whole thing could have been completely avoided easily.

But like Apple, it HAS to to this ...

*rolls eyes in disgust*

Look our popular we are because we have rules set for "all payments are final" in agreements, then when a few hundred customers cry, Apple must break their rules by offering money back...

:p

.... And it also makes headlines....... Unbelievable.

And all this, and Apple still hold a grudge over jail-breaking iOS devices... lol

May as well come clean,,,, they're almost their anyway.......

Better yet,,, scrap all your agreements, since they don't work anyway.... What good are they, if the company who makes them, breaks them over spilt milk.
 
How about this? How about these people just parent their damn children.

If I had a kid, and he racked up a $100 bill for app purchases, he's be mowing out neighbors yards and making the money to pay me back.

He/she would think twice about doing it again.

First, your comment is very offensive. I guess every child is damned according to you.

Apple was negligent. People should be told about the existence of in-App purchases. That Apple doesn't let users know about the existence of these nefarious in-App purchases that target children is criminal and negligent. Who would have ever thought that Apple would allow scurrilous developers to target children so they could make a quick buck.

An iPhone is more than a phone, it is a computer, and is complex. It is understandable why most parents didn't know of the existence of in - App purchases.

Why does Apple have in_App purchases turned on? They should be turned off by default; and then the parent should be able to turn them on if they want. And their should be written disclosure in large print, in an obvious place, warning about the dangers of in-App purchases. Unfortunately, in-App purchases are on by default on iPhones and iPands and iPods and one has to shut them off. Unfortunately, if you don't know of their existence you won't shut the in_app purchases off. It is unfortunate and scandalous that so many consumers have been taken for a ride due to in-App purchases.

I have a technical background and didn't know anything about in-App purchases. My kids racked up $1,000 in fees on TAP Zoo in one month. They didn't even understand they were actually buying something with real money. This happened quite a few years ago. Apple refunded all my money when I called and emailed the instances. What was amazing was that after I had shut off in-App purchases on the phones (as I would have immediately done if I had known of their existence) we still got charged for in-App purchases the girls never made. Apple refunded these charges also.

When a corporation allows children to be used surreptitiously by allowing in_App purchases without any warnings that these in-App purchases even exist, then they should be punished. They are guilty of targeting minors.

Parents and any individual, should not be responsible for understanding every nuance about a smart phone. And as a consumer, I expect corporate responsibility to be stalwart in protecting children against those who would pray on them to make a quick buck.

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I'm sick and tired of people not taking responsibility for their lack of parenting. We do not need to have a child to know how to parent the kid. If you're going to give a kid a digital device, then you need to ensure the following:

- Make sure that it has no CC associated to it.
- Make sure You're not logged in to the App Store, Google Play etc.
- If it has Carrier Data Service, remove the sim card or contact the carrier to restrict all third party charges and premium messaging etc.

If you can't follow these simple steps, then you should not give a kid digital devices as you will incur charges and then play the victim part.

We don't need multiple log-in systems, or more password locks, or more lawsuits. If you're gonna sue somebody go sue yourself for being a bad parent and being negligent

Not everyone is a techie like you appear to be. When we buy a product, we don't expect our kids to be targeted by Apple's developer partners through some insidious device like in-App purchases, which most people don't even know exist.

Here is what I wrote to another person who blames parents, and not Apple for not clearly disclosing the existence of in-App purchases and the potential costs associated with such technology:


"Apple was negligent. People should be told about the existence of in-App purchases. That Apple doesn't let users know about the existence of these nefarious in-App purchases that target children is criminal and negligent. Who would have ever thought that Apple would allow scurrilous developers to target children so they could make a quick buck.

An iPhone is more than a phone, it is a computer, and is complex. It is understandable why most parents didn't know of the existence of in - App purchases.

Why does Apple have in_App purchases turned on? They should be turned off by default; and then the parent should be able to turn them on if they want. And their should be written disclosure in large print, in an obvious place, warning about the dangers of in-App purchases. Unfortunately, in-App purchases are on by default on iPhones and iPands and iPods and one has to shut them off. Unfortunately, if you don't know of their existence you won't shut the in_app purchases off. It is unfortunate and scandalous that so many consumers have been taken for a ride due to in-App purchases.

I have a technical background and didn't know anything about in-App purchases. My kids racked up $1,000 in fees on TAP Zoo in one month. They didn't even understand they were actually buying something with real money. This happened quite a few years ago. Apple refunded all my money when I called and emailed the instances. What was amazing was that after I had shut off in-App purchases on the phones (as I would have immediately done if I had known of their existence) we still got charged for in-App purchases the girls never made. Apple refunded these charges also.

When a corporation allows children to be used surreptitiously by allowing in_App purchases without any warnings that these in-App purchases even exist, then they should be punished. They are guilty of targeting minors.

Parents and any individual, should not be responsible for understanding every nuance about a smart phone. And as a consumer, I expect corporate responsibility to be stalwart in protecting children against those who would pray on them to make a quick buck."

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How about this? How about these people just parent their damn children.

If I had a kid, and he racked up a $100 bill for app purchases, he's be mowing out neighbors yards and making the money to pay me back.

He/she would think twice about doing it again.

First, your comment is very offensive. I guess every child is damned according to you.

Apple was negligent. People should be told about the existence of in-App purchases. That Apple doesn't let users know about the existence of these nefarious in-App purchases that target children is criminal and negligent. Who would have ever thought that Apple would allow scurrilous developers to target children so they could make a quick buck.

An iPhone is more than a phone, it is a computer, and is complex. It is understandable why most parents didn't know of the existence of in - App purchases.

Why does Apple have in_App purchases turned on? They should be turned off by default; and then the parent should be able to turn them on if they want. And their should be written disclosure in large print, in an obvious place, warning about the dangers of in-App purchases. Unfortunately, in-App purchases are on by default on iPhones and iPands and iPods and one has to shut them off. Unfortunately, if you don't know of their existence you won't shut the in_app purchases off. It is unfortunate and scandalous that so many consumers have been taken for a ride due to in-App purchases.

I have a technical background and didn't know anything about in-App purchases. My kids racked up $1,000 in fees on TAP Zoo in one month. They didn't even understand they were actually buying something with real money. This happened quite a few years ago. Apple refunded all my money when I called and emailed the instances. What was amazing was that after I had shut off in-App purchases on the phones (as I would have immediately done if I had known of their existence) we still got charged for in-App purchases the girls never made. Apple refunded these charges also.

When a corporation allows children to be used surreptitiously by allowing in_App purchases without any warnings that these in-App purchases even exist, then they should be punished. They are guilty of targeting minors.

Parents and any individual, should not be responsible for understanding every nuance about a smart phone. And as a consumer, I expect corporate responsibility to be stalwart in protecting children against those who would pray on them to make a quick buck.
 
You can't put a price tag on inattentive parenting.

I refer you to my recent posts on this thread. Please understand that Apple does not inform anyone in a clear way about the existence of in-App purchases, nor do they inform consumers that this technology is on by default when you purchase an Apple digital device. This is very sneaky. That Apple has continued to allow children to be targeted by scurrilous App developers over the years, despite complaints worldwide, is criminal and negligent and unethical on Apple's part. I would have hoped that Apple would want to protect children from being targeted by developers who only want to make a quick buck by luring kids into buying in-App purchases.
 
My daughter racked up over £2000 in 5 days making In App Purchases without my consent.
It's criminal these kids games can charge so much - she has no concept of cost!
Tried to go through apple to make a claim and they just dismiss it - harsh and cruel.
These games have ruined us!
BEWARE!!!
 
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