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iTunes Switzerland, Denmark, Sweden and Norway Now Available
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I really don't understand why I can't buy from another store, e.g. the US store, now when Sweden has joined the iTMS club. 
I wouldn't mind the swedish preminum (hmm, well.....), but I sure would like to be able to download music from all around the world.
Are there any legal obstacles, that I dont know about?
I wouldn't mind the swedish preminum (hmm, well.....), but I sure would like to be able to download music from all around the world.
Are there any legal obstacles, that I dont know about?
osx_nop said:
I buy my CDs for amazon.de when they hit the 6.66/6.99 EUR mark, which translates in an effective price of about 5.74 EUR once they remove the EU VAT which does not apply.
Buy more than 20 EUR for free shipping but less than 65 CHF for tax-free import.
Dr.Gargoyle said:I really don't understand why I can't buy from another store, e.g. the US store, now when Sweden has joined the iTMS club.
I wouldn't mind the swedish preminum (hmm, well.....), but I sure would like to be able to download music from all around the world.
Are there any legal obstacles, that I dont know about?
Licensing is negotiated country by country. Label X negotiates to have its music distributed in each country it does business.
It still sounds a bit strange to me. If I want to buy a song provided at the US store and I am willing to pay the swedish price for it, what would be the rationale to prevent me from doing so?ender78 said:
It is just a matter of expanding your feasible customers. Especially since iTMS (finally) has opened in Sweden.
But again, considering Australia, I shouldnt be surprised...
Since the average kangaroo's pouch can hold a considerable amount, there is no need for portability. The iPod is just too damn convenient, so if there is no need for one then there is no need for an iTunes music store.
Steve Irwin and Crocodile Dundee are both against the iTMS because it brings havoc amongst the animal kingdom.
Steve Irwin himself went on the record to state that Echo & the Bunnymen's "Crocodiles" LP was a disgrace to crocodiles everywhere. Crocodile Dundee couldn't contain his anger as he discussed Gorillaz -- stating that the misspelling of this fine species goes to show how Americans and their stupid technology is ruining this fine land in the middle of nowhere.
That, my friends, is why you Australians don't have a music store yet. Us Americans see "Austria" on the list, that's close enough.
Fishes,
narco.
Steve Irwin and Crocodile Dundee are both against the iTMS because it brings havoc amongst the animal kingdom.
Steve Irwin himself went on the record to state that Echo & the Bunnymen's "Crocodiles" LP was a disgrace to crocodiles everywhere. Crocodile Dundee couldn't contain his anger as he discussed Gorillaz -- stating that the misspelling of this fine species goes to show how Americans and their stupid technology is ruining this fine land in the middle of nowhere.
That, my friends, is why you Australians don't have a music store yet. Us Americans see "Austria" on the list, that's close enough.
Fishes,
narco.
Since the music is the property of the labels they are allowed to sell it as they see fit. The labels certainly have all kinds of written and non-written agreements between themselves on how, where and for how much.Dr.Gargoyle said:
One quite understandable reason, at least from the labels' perspective, why they choose to not allow anyone buying from anywhere is that for example the Swedish music industry don't want all the money to go to their U.S. partners.
The trend will probably be a more international market in the long run, but the music industry needs to renew itself quite a lot before that is possible, I think.
Isn't the redistribution of sales within one label just a matter of accounting? From the labels point of view, the rule more sales is better should apply. What you are suggesting would be the equivalent to just being able to go to one MacDonalds, since MacDonalds doesnt want one restaurant benefit over another.gekko513 said:
I wouldn't be surprised if you are correct, but I fail to see the economical reason why.
I won't keep on ranting about this. Just that it strikes me as a bit peculiar.
Finally, I do agree that the music industry needs to reinvent itself. IMHO, they will loose this "war" if they dont change strategy. The same goes for the movie industry.
Again, I think you are correct. But it still makes no sense to lose sales (and money) just because some redistribution of the sales within one company.gekko513 said:
But then again, that might give you a hint just how much the make when they can neglect customers like that.
narco said:
I kill you!
No seriously though the guy makes a good point.
A point for which I shall kill you!
No the kid is alright. He's going places, I'll say.
Um yeah, another night, another lack of itms australia blady bla bla etc. I'm bored of this game.
conditionals said:The Australian flag is back up at least.
Yeah dude but I mean seriously, the ireland flag was up for donkey's years (a substantial amount of years) before the store was actually launced. Sigh.
immaculate said:
Today's interbank rate is at CHF 1.20 for 1US$.
And, there's 7.6% VAT included in the CH price, so it's not really a total rip-off*:
1.50 / 1.076 / 1.2 = US$1.16 (I just love CalcService)
Andreas
* except when you compare with the Canadian prices
I'm thinking we should praise Apple here!
They've negotiated with possibly the most overwhelming business in the world, and for the most part made it a sucess. I take my hat off to them.
Incidentally, does anyone know if the other music "Stores" (internet based downloading) actually sell to many other countries?
I just think Apple is doing a great job. I mean, they're taking the time to do things properly. The whole environment of the store within itunes, the speed and the quality of the interface just cannot be beaten. Three cheers people.
They've negotiated with possibly the most overwhelming business in the world, and for the most part made it a sucess. I take my hat off to them.
Incidentally, does anyone know if the other music "Stores" (internet based downloading) actually sell to many other countries?
I just think Apple is doing a great job. I mean, they're taking the time to do things properly. The whole environment of the store within itunes, the speed and the quality of the interface just cannot be beaten. Three cheers people.
First downtime?
Since about 8.45 p.m. CET the store's been offline (I can browse, but signing in produces error 502). Is that the case for the Swiss store only or are others affected as well?
BTW: To the other Swiss participants in this forum: there's going to be a report on the iTMS on Swiss national TV tonight (on "10 vor 10")
Since about 8.45 p.m. CET the store's been offline (I can browse, but signing in produces error 502). Is that the case for the Swiss store only or are others affected as well?
BTW: To the other Swiss participants in this forum: there's going to be a report on the iTMS on Swiss national TV tonight (on "10 vor 10")
Having two Apple IDs?
I am both a Swiss and German resident and also have credit cards in both countries. Does anybody have an idea whether I can create a second Apple ID to shop in the Swiss shop? I already have a 'German' Apple ID, which allowed me to shop in the German iTMS and also order prints from iPhoto, a service which does not exist in Switzerland.
I guess it should be possible as long as I supply a different e-mail address, although it might not be legal. I assume one can authorize a computer for two accounts.
I already had similar issues with Amazon, Ebay and PayPal. PayPal support told me it would not be legal to open a second account in a different country, but again I do not know how they could prove/prevent this.
I am both a Swiss and German resident and also have credit cards in both countries. Does anybody have an idea whether I can create a second Apple ID to shop in the Swiss shop? I already have a 'German' Apple ID, which allowed me to shop in the German iTMS and also order prints from iPhoto, a service which does not exist in Switzerland.
I guess it should be possible as long as I supply a different e-mail address, although it might not be legal. I assume one can authorize a computer for two accounts.
I already had similar issues with Amazon, Ebay and PayPal. PayPal support told me it would not be legal to open a second account in a different country, but again I do not know how they could prove/prevent this.
Yes works without a problem. I've bought stuff in the Spanish and the Swiss Store and can play both without any hiccups. The DRM is linked to the computer, not your account.manu chao said:
That sounds like bollocks.
So why worry then? I've got a German and a Swiss Paypal acct running in parallel. (I no longer have a valid credit card for my German account, so I'm just using up the small remaining credit for donationware payments.)
Paypal even forces you to open up a second account as you can't change the country of your primary address. So, if you move from one country to another, you lose, or you have to beat the system. They don't seem to understand that people in Europe tend to be mobile.
manu chao said:
I currently have three account (US, DE, CH) without any problems... My US account was created with a gift certificate, the others with credit cards. No problem so far! (219 songs and counting.)
Yeah, I have noticed that... and no UBS handing out free tunes either.Poff said:One sad thing is that we don't get a free weekly song like they do in the US..
jobberwacky said:
Just checked my e-mails again and it seems the PayPal rules are not perfectly clear:
Later they said however:
From their following e-mails I understood that accessing means adding credit cards, i.e., transfering money to and from your PayPal account.