iTunes Touch ID....huh?

[juliainor]

lol. My i5 had that "feature" already. If it asks you for your password everytime, and never your fingerprint, how could you consider that a feature? Do you have a 5S? Again... it is definitely a bug.

Agreed.

You should have to use Touch ID to unlock the phone and then use Touch ID again to make a purchase. One authentication shouldn't cache for both purposes - like entering the 4 digit passcode does not enable you to make purchases without any further authentication.

But to say it's a "feature" to have to enter your password every time you want to make a purchase when you have Touch ID is ridiculous. That's exactly what they told us we wouldn't have to do anymore because we could authenticate with our fingerprint.

It is not working as advertised AT ALL.

 

[bradl]

lol. My i5 had that "feature" already. If it asks you for your password everytime, and never your fingerprint, how could you consider that a feature?

Because by the time your phone is in iTunes, your phone has already been unlocked, either by passcode or by fingerprint. If that authentication is passed through to iTunes and is accepted, you have the potential of having others automatically purchase apps on your phone without any sort of controls for authentication. So it is a GOOD thing that it already asks your for the password to resume TouchID purchases. I say again, a feature.

Do you have a 5S? Again... it is definitely a bug.

I ask because I'm still on a 4S and am waiting to upgrade, so I don't have a newer phone nearby.

Did you read my post where I said that I did NOT have a 5s? Judging by the above, you haven't.



BL.

 

[gentlefury]

Because by the time your phone is in iTunes, your phone has already been unlocked, either by passcode or by fingerprint. If that authentication is passed through to iTunes and is accepted, you have the potential of having others automatically purchase apps on your phone without any sort of controls for authentication. So it is a GOOD thing that it already asks your for the password to resume TouchID purchases. I say again, a feature.

What are you talking about? By that logic it should always ask you for a password...since the only way to even make a purchase is to unlock the phone. Why say you can make purchases with Touch ID if it only works 1% of the time?

 

[redboxcar]

Because by the time your phone is in iTunes, your phone has already been unlocked, either by passcode or by fingerprint. If that authentication is passed through to iTunes and is accepted, you have the potential of having others automatically purchase apps on your phone without any sort of controls for authentication. So it is a GOOD thing that it already asks your for the password to resume TouchID purchases. I say again, a feature.

I'll jump in here bc I don't think you're getting what people are saying, bradl. There are three types of authentication. (1) 4-digit passcode (2) iTunes Account Password (3) Touch ID...

Before Touch ID, you would use a 4-digit passcode (Method 1) to unlock the phone, then if you were to make a purchase, you would need to enter an iTunes Account Password (Method 2) as the added layer of protection/authentication for iTunes purchases.

Now, presumably, with Touch ID, you would be able to use Touch ID (Method 3) to unlock the phone, then it should prompt you to use Touch ID (Method 3) AGAIN to make purchases. What you are suggesting is that the use of the fingerprint to unlock the phone carries through to purchases, but that doesn't make sense. The unlocking of the phone and the authorization of purchases are two different acts.

What the OP is saying is that he/she is using Touch ID (Method 3) to unlock the phone, then being forced to use an iTunes Account Password (Method 2) to make iTunes purchases - which then renders Touch ID halfway useless for what it was advertised to be able to do (it should negate the need for typing in your iTunes Account Password)...

You are saying that by forcing a user to enter an iTunes Account Password (Method 2) even when they have Touch ID, it is an added layer of security. But it's not. It's stupid. You should be able to use Touch ID any time you need to enter a password - it is supposed to be a replacement for the need of a password.

 

[bradl]

I'll jump in here bc I don't think you're getting what people are saying, bradl. There are three types of authentication. (1) 4-digit passcode (2) iTunes Account Password (3) Touch ID...

Before Touch ID, you would use a 4-digit passcode (Method 1) to unlock the phone, then if you were to make a purchase, you would need to enter an iTunes Account Password (Method 2) as the added layer of protection/authentication for iTunes purchases.

Now, presumably, with Touch ID, you would be able to use Touch ID (Method 3) to unlock the phone, then it should prompt you to use Touch ID (Method 3) AGAIN to make purchases. What you are suggesting is that the use of the fingerprint to unlock the phone carries through to purchases, but that doesn't make sense. The unlocking of the phone and the authorization of purchases are two different acts.

What the OP is saying is that he/she is using Touch ID (Method 3) to unlock the phone, then being forced to use an iTunes Account Password (Method 2) to make iTunes purchases - which then renders Touch ID halfway useless for what it was advertised to be able to do (it should negate the need for typing in your iTunes Account Password)...

You are saying that by forcing a user to enter an iTunes Account Password (Method 2) even when they have Touch ID, it is an added layer of security. But it's not. It's stupid. You should be able to use Touch ID any time you need to enter a password - it is supposed to be a replacement for the need of a password.

I get that. What I don't think people are getting is the fact that if TouchID has already authenticated you into iTunes, and it does NOT prompt you for any further authentication for purchases, once your phone is unlocked, any number of music or app purchases could be made directly to the phone and just pass through without any sort of controls on it.

Example: You use TouchID to unlock your phone, to give to Joey to play his favourite game.

Joey plays his game, closes it, then goes into iTunes looking for more apps.

Joey finds more apps that look cool to him, so he wants to get them.

Joey selects apps to download.

If TouchID has already unlocked your phone, it could have the potential to pass for your authentication into iTunes, allowing Joey to purchase any app he choses, no matter if it is free, or is $50.

That is why that second layer of authentication (the password) is handy here. It would prevent those purchases from happening, regardless of if TouchID passed that authentication to iTunes on the user's behalf or not.

If that is true, that second layer of authentication is a feature, as it is preventing erroneous app purchases to take place on your phone, saving you, Apple, and your payment processor heartburn in trying to get it all corrected.

BL.

 

[redboxcar]

Example: You use TouchID to unlock your phone, to give to Joey to play his favourite game.

Joey plays his game, closes it, then goes into iTunes looking for more apps.

Joey finds more apps that look cool to him, so he wants to get them.

Joey selects apps to download.

If TouchID has already unlocked your phone, it could have the potential to pass for your authentication into iTunes, allowing Joey to purchase any app he choses, no matter if it is free, or is $50.

That is why that second layer of authentication (the password) is handy here. It would prevent those purchases from happening, regardless of if TouchID passed that authentication to iTunes on the user's behalf or not.

If that is true, that second layer of authentication is a feature, as it is preventing erroneous app purchases to take place on your phone, saving you, Apple, and your payment processor heartburn in trying to get it all corrected.

BL.

The act of unlocking the phone is and should be a separate act than that of authenticating iTunes.

If you unlock your phone with the 4-digit passcode (STEP 1), it does not follow that you are automatically able to make purchases without further authentication. You must use an iTunes password (STEP 2). There is no other way around those 2 steps.

If you unlock your phone with TouchID (STEP 1), it does not follow that you are automatically able to make purchases without further authentication - that is, Joey is not be able to just go in and purchase apps all willy nilly just because you swiped your finger to unlock the phone. You still need a STEP 2 (second layer of authentication). Step 2 can be accomplished by many ways (e.g., TouchID or iTunes Password). If Joey attempts to make a purchase - which is a separate act from unlocking the phone - the phone should ask for authentication (STEP 2) - in this case, you should be able to swipe your finger again for authentication. In the OP's case, it is not asking for another finger swipe, thus taking away that ability.

 

[gentlefury]

I get that. What I don't think people are getting is the fact that if TouchID has already authenticated you into iTunes, and it does NOT prompt you for any further authentication for purchases, once your phone is unlocked, any number of music or app purchases could be made directly to the phone and just pass through without any sort of controls on it.

Example: You use TouchID to unlock your phone, to give to Joey to play his favourite game.

Joey plays his game, closes it, then goes into iTunes looking for more apps.

Joey finds more apps that look cool to him, so he wants to get them.

Joey selects apps to download.

If TouchID has already unlocked your phone, it could have the potential to pass for your authentication into iTunes, allowing Joey to purchase any app he choses, no matter if it is free, or is $50.

That is why that second layer of authentication (the password) is handy here. It would prevent those purchases from happening, regardless of if TouchID passed that authentication to iTunes on the user's behalf or not.

If that is true, that second layer of authentication is a feature, as it is preventing erroneous app purchases to take place on your phone, saving you, Apple, and your payment processor heartburn in trying to get it all corrected.

BL.

Trolling or just don't get it?

 

[wepiii]

I get that. What I don't think people are getting is the fact that if TouchID has already authenticated you into iTunes, and it does NOT prompt you for any further authentication for purchases, once your phone is unlocked, any number of music or app purchases could be made directly to the phone and just pass through without any sort of controls on it.

Example: You use TouchID to unlock your phone, to give to Joey to play his favourite game.

Joey plays his game, closes it, then goes into iTunes looking for more apps.

Joey finds more apps that look cool to him, so he wants to get them.

Joey selects apps to download.

If TouchID has already unlocked your phone, it could have the potential to pass for your authentication into iTunes, allowing Joey to purchase any app he choses, no matter if it is free, or is $50.

That is why that second layer of authentication (the password) is handy here. It would prevent those purchases from happening, regardless of if TouchID passed that authentication to iTunes on the user's behalf or not.

If that is true, that second layer of authentication is a feature, as it is preventing erroneous app purchases to take place on your phone, saving you, Apple, and your payment processor heartburn in trying to get it all corrected.

BL.

Wow. Think about what you are saying please. If you actually had the phone maybe you would see the problem here. I will say a final time, it is a bug.

If you unlock your phone and give it to Joey, he can go in the AppStore and can't buy anything, because when he clicks on the $50 app it is going to ask for your fingerprint again. Which Joey certainly isn't going to have. (That is how it is supposed to work). The bug is that instead of asking for your fingerprint after Joey clicks the $50 app, it is asking for your password. The problem with that is that if you are the one with your phone trying to buy the app, and not Joey, is that you are having to do the exact same thing anyone with an iPhone 5, 4S, 4, 3GS, 3, or 2G has to do... Type in your password. This bug is basically eliminating the 1 thing that makes the iPhone 5S different than the iPhone 5 at this point. Please just go through the process in your mind so we can all stop explaining this to you. Anymore of this ridiculousness and I'm just going to assume you are trolling and move on.

 

[bradl]

Trolling or just don't get it?

Clueless about an EXAMPLE, or just don't get it?

I'm wagering on both.

Wow. Think about what you are saying please. If you actually had the phone maybe you would see the problem here. I will say a final time, it is a bug.

If you unlock your phone and give it to Joey, he can go in the AppStore and can't buy anything, because when he clicks on the $50 app it is going to ask for your fingerprint again. Which Joey certainly isn't going to have. (That is how it is supposed to work). The bug is that instead of asking for your fingerprint after Joey clicks the $50 app, it is asking for your password. The problem with that is that if you are the one with your phone trying to buy the app, and not Joey, is that you are having to do the exact same thing anyone with an iPhone 5, 4S, 4, 3GS, 3, or 2G has to do... Type in your password. This bug is basically eliminating the 1 thing that makes the iPhone 5S different than the iPhone 5 at this point. Please just go through the process in your mind so we can all stop explaining this to you. Anymore of this ridiculousness and I'm just going to assume you are trolling and move on.

I am, and I have. Note Note, and I'll quote it yet again:

If TouchID has already unlocked your phone, it could have the potential to pass for your authentication into iTunes, allowing Joey to purchase any app he choses, no matter if it is free, or is $50.

Bold for emphasis. And the big word there is *if* and *could*. If it does pass for authentication. it could leave your phone open to unauthorized purchases. Asking for authentication for that protects you and your card processor fro fraudulent activity.

IF that is true, then the second authentication is a feature, not a bug.

See, you guys are whining and complaining about inconvenience, and not thinking about the security of your iTunes account and the option you use to pay for purchases. That second layer of protection would be a damn good thing to have, and a safer option than having to call apple, Paypal, your bank, and credit card processor to get charges reversed.

And to be honest, if it takes having the phone to see that there may be a security problem or possibly a non-issue, I wonder about your sense of securing your accounts, because to me, it sounds like you'd prefer convenience over security. But leave it to someone who doesn't have the phone and sees underneath that line to point that out to you.

BL.

 

[gentlefury]

Clueless about an EXAMPLE, or just don't get it?

I'm wagering on both.




I am, and I have. Note Note, and I'll quote it yet again:



Bold for emphasis. And the big word there is *if* and *could*. If it does pass for authentication. it could leave your phone open to unauthorized purchases. Asking for authentication for that protects you and your card processor fro fraudulent activity.

IF that is true, then the second authentication is a feature, not a bug.

See, you guys are whining and complaining about inconvenience, and not thinking about the security of your iTunes account and the option you use to pay for purchases. That second layer of protection would be a damn good thing to have, and a safer option than having to call apple, Paypal, your bank, and credit card processor to get charges reversed.

And to be honest, if it takes having the phone to see that there may be a security problem or possibly a non-issue, I wonder about your sense of securing your accounts, because to me, it sounds like you'd prefer convenience over security. But leave it to someone who doesn't have the phone and sees underneath that line to point that out to you.

BL.

OK, please stop.

You're making no sense. Unlocking your phone does not and has never authorized purchases in iTunes. Get over this.

 

[TommyA6]

OK, please stop.

You're making no sense. Unlocking your phone does not and has never authorized purchases in iTunes. Get over this.

I'm reading this thread and ....

lol

You have to use touch ID twice if you were to make an app store purchase. First time to unlock your phone and second time to authorize the purchase. Unlocking your phone with touch ID doesn't grant you the ability to go crazy in the app store lol You have to use it AGAIN to get access lol

 

[mikosk]

Has anyone gotten Touch ID to work with the app store on a regular basis? I have Touch ID set-up on my phone, works well to unlock the device. It has never worked on the app store, it only continues to ask me for my appleID every time.

Is there a conflict with restrictions possibly? I want to require a password for app and in-app purchases and use restrictions to enable this. Is this throwing off the Touch ID part?

 

[gentlefury]

Has anyone gotten Touch ID to work with the app store on a regular basis? I have Touch ID set-up on my phone, works well to unlock the device. It has never worked on the app store, it only continues to ask me for my appleID every time.

Is there a conflict with restrictions possibly? I want to require a password for app and in-app purchases and use restrictions to enable this. Is this throwing off the Touch ID part?

So for, it's worked 2 times for me so far. Out of about 10 attempts. Not very good, at all.

 

[mikosk]

I don't understand how they can have it as part of the settings but it just flat out doesn't work. It's like buying a car and noticing that the radio is missing even if the description says it comes equipped.

 

[AlvinNguyen]

Make sure your iTUNES account info is correct. Some people (like me) have a seperate itunes and icloud account. I had this happen to me as well I figured out that my iTunes settings had my iCloud info and i had to sign out and sign back in.

 

[gentlefury]

Make sure your iTUNES account info is correct. Some people (like me) have a seperate itunes and icloud account. I had this happen to me as well I figured out that my iTunes settings had my iCloud info and i had to sign out and sign back in.

Nah, I keep getting the same prompt of type in password to renew Touch ID. So it times out WAY too fast for purchases. Honestly, if it is used as an alternative to password it should never time out.

 

[drmikey]

Has anyone gotten Touch ID to work with the app store on a regular basis? I have Touch ID set-up on my phone, works well to unlock the device. It has never worked on the app store, it only continues to ask me for my appleID every time.

Is there a conflict with restrictions possibly? I want to require a password for app and in-app purchases and use restrictions to enable this. Is this throwing off the Touch ID part?

I've used it successfully about 2 out of 4 attempts. I think apple still has a little work to do to make it perform as advertised.