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Infact it has to be easier to use than the iPod. Having say that I predict the iTV will be the new Apple flop taking the place of the Cube.

I agree that it is dangerous to assume that the iTV will succeed. Apple is introducing an all-new kind of device. While it very well could turn out to be a hit a la iPod, it could easily fail; the iPod's appeal alone will not buoy an all-new class of Apple products.

Also, I think that an "iPhone" could more easily appeal to the iPod's audience: phones are more "hip" than video streaming devices.
 
Of course, listening to music is even more passive than watching TV. The Christmas day crash of the iTS should be some indication that consumers are willing to casually interact with a device in order to appreciate their content anywhere and anytime.

That being said, I wouldn't be surprised to see the iTV crash and burn. I think it still may be ahead of it's time. Those of us who are technologically inclined have been waiting for something like this, but I think the rest of the general consuming public is still getting used to their Tivos. In fact, I think that with Tivo's brand recognition, they are the company best suited to offer online content distribution.


I’m starting to warm up to the idea of the Tivo online download. I don’t have Tivo, but my dad does and he loves it. He explained exactly how it works.

I could see iTV getting it’s foot in the door with this added feature with a subscription.

Not sure if this would be for the high end user or the average Joe who wants OTA HD and HD Tivo.

1080i or 720p would be generous.
 
iTV

And where do you plan on getting the 1080p content. 720p is the best broadcast or upscaled to 1080i...only HD-DVD and BluRay provide 1080p content..there is no other source of 1080p.

Sure there are. HD television recievers, and user-content. Games (iTV is for PC too, remember?) But most importantly, iTunes will eventually bring high-def over the Internet. And why not with the release of iTV? The Showtime event showed that the iTV will have an HDMI port, which of course, is for HD content. Why can't Apple start offering movies in HD on iTunes? Present digital distrobution as a viable alternative to the costly HD-disc formats, and with more movie studios onboard (as rumored after the heavy-DVD holiday buying season), imagine being able to get whatever movie you want, in high def, for cheap on your living room HDTV. This might even be the right time to bring out subscription models for iTMS, $14.99 a month for unlimited music rentals, and $29.99 a month for unlimited movie/TV rentals, maybe $39.99. Make iTMS more like the media store of the future, streaming all the content you want to your computer and then to your computer. Essentially, this takes every single cable TV provider and knocks them out of the business. Another monopoly for Apple.

That is the future.

What's preventing it?
1) The computers: current US ISP speeds. Most US homes do not get more than about 4 MB/s of bandwidth download, and many get less. People who have cable (and dont have neighbors with cable) or Verizon's FiOS do have the necessary bandwidth. If you get the above model, you're only going to be able to download HD movies. No VoIP. No games. No Youtube in the background, cause you simply don't have enough bandwidth. As it is, HD movies take up TONS of hard drive space, much more than whats available on off-the-shelf consumer Macs if you're going to download more than a couple. Forget about laptops. Time to download actually isn't a problem, so the movie takes about 30 mins before you can start watching as you're downloading instead of a few mins. Its a sacrifice I'm willing to make for the current day, and as the future arrives, this wont be a problem with FttH (fiber to the home) becomes more prevalent and people get faster connections.
2) The content providers themselves. Content providers, like it or not, are paranoid. And any relatively informed content provider is going to get cold-feet at the prospect of HD content being transferred un-encrypted over 802.11. And even if Apple can develop some kind of encryption that works between iTV and iTunes and yet still works with run-of-the-mill 802.11 NICs, odds are that content providers are still not really going to like the future. Not many companies in general do, I mean look at how Verizon Wireless locks up the Bluetooth functionality on its phones and forces you to use VCast.
3) The consumers. HDTV's may have been the hot, hot product this holiday season, but if you look at the numbers there are still very few people out there with HDTVs yet, let alone those that can play 1080p. Broadband? (following numbers may be inaccurate, sry) Barely 2/3 of the US has Internet access, and only half of those have any kind of broadband access, which can be as low as 256 Kb/s download. I mean, only in 2006 did the number of households with DVD players pass the number of households with VHS players. And like it or not, considering that this is a new direction that Apple is heading in, Apple needs to bring out the marketing team and put this alongside the TiVos in retail stores, not just Apple retail. If it stays with Apple retail, its gonna take a year or two to take off, just like the iPod. Many people can afford an iPod, entertainment, an HDTV, a computer, appropriate monthly power, TV, ISP bills, or a life, and many people have some combo of those, but very few people can afford all. And considering the fact that the iTV essentially asks people to buy all of those (many people buy an iPod before anything else from Apple), and an additional $300 for the iTV itself may be too much for a lot of people. A lot of people are going to ask themselves first, "What's wrong with the way I'm doing it right now? Why not go to a local Best Buy, pick up a plain DVD which looks just fine to me, and bring it home and watch it?"

Sure, many of those questions Apple's already answered, but many it either needs to answer for the first time or answer again. And that could mar a great product.

Now for the actual rumor :p

Steve Jobs will announce at MWSF, show off all the features, and then say shipping in February. Simple as that.
 
I’m starting to warm up to the idea of the Tivo online download. I don’t have Tivo, but my dad does and he loves it. He explained exactly how it works.

I could see iTV getting it’s foot in the door with this added feature with a subscription.

Not sure if this would be for the high end user or the average Joe who wants OTA HD and HD Tivo.

1080i or 720p would be generous.

The problem with the TiVo series 3 (the only non-DirecTV HD TiVo) is that it's $800 for the box alone and doesn't work with all sources of HD (e.g. DirecTV, non CableCard cable). The iTV (if done right) will compete nicely with it. Makes more sense to me to buy a Mac Mini and EyeTV Hybrid.

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I wonder if the device will also be a 802.11n basestation kind of like the Airport Express is a basestation and music streaming relay device. I sure could use an upgrade to my original graphite Airport basestation.

I also read somewhere that devices based on the draft spec of 802.11n may not be compatible with the final spec.

This is what I have thought all along. With the availability of the Airport Extreme being nonexistant, this is the only reason I can think of.
 
This is what I have thought all along. With the availability of the Airport Extreme being nonexistant, this is the only reason I can think of.

Does the "draft" part of "draft-n" allow for software upgrades or will it require new hardware too?
 
I said goodbye to Cable TV altogether. Two weeks ago I purchased a SONY Grand WEGA 50" HDTV and a Terk HD antenna and both have worked together wonderfully. I am welcoming the iTV into my heart and home the moment Steve announces it's for sale. I want to be a part of the digital-choice tv ala carte revolution! And I'm wicked excited about it too! :D

That's what I want to do too, but I would currently loose sports channels I watch, like ESPN and EPSN2. You can't get those over the air or watch events live (or almost live) via the internet.
 
Steve Jobs will announce at MWSF, show off all the features, and then say shipping in February. Simple as that.

Exactly!

I expect Leopard and 'iTV' will be the stars of Macworld, but given that neither will be ready to ship immediately there will be something else announced that people will be able to get their hands on right away. Post keynote delirium is perfect for separating people from their cash.

If anyone here actually believes any "pro" items (new Cinema displays, quad core Mac Pro, etc.) will be announced at Macworld, I have some ocean front property in Louisianna for sale.
 
Bandwidth - Bandwidth

What ever happen to the rumor about sharing our bandwidth to help distribute these movie files? I hope that Apple offers these movies in 720p. I heard there was a possibility that if you share your bandwidth, you will receive a credit in iTunes? Have our own Apple bit-torrent!

People are speculating that new Mac Pros and Displays will be introduced. Forgive me, but I don't recall ANY Pro devices introduced at MacWorld.

So here are my predictions for MacWorld 2007
Pre-View of Leopard with bit-torrent.
iTV with new base stations and cards (need the speed!)
New iPods – one as the true Video iPod
New iLife Apps, some how tied to the .mac subscription for movie downloads, via the Apple Bit-Torrent and the possible addition or name change for iTunes to show that movies are available.
And the iPhone
 
Next 30 years.... MacOS X lite licensed to every device that moves and entertainment device in existence.... multimedia dominance. iTV will serve as a demonstration of the OS power. Microsoft may have Ford, but everything else will be running OS X. Content creation on full version of the MacOS and Apple's hardware, marketshare explosion.... Trojan Horse... licensing without licensing everything. Ok maybe not.
 
Does the "draft" part of "draft-n" allow for software upgrades or will it require new hardware too?

Im not sure but wasnt the original Airport base station a draft b, and the original Airport Extreme base station a draft g? Anyways, it should work fine with the draft n cards they are putting in the shipping Intel Macs.
 
The difference is that Apple is a world wide known brand.
Tivo is nothing much outside of the US. They pulled out of the UK years ago.

Of course just because I've heard of Apple and own several of their computers does not mean I would by content via their online store. I still buy CDs for music and DVDs for TV and films.
Whilst TiVo pulled out of selling in the UK market (bah humbug, the rotters), they still supply the programme guide here. There is also an active 'hackers' community to keep our Series 1 boxes alive - and Mac compatible :)
 
i dont mind, its not a long delay, and it is much better to have a reliant product and wont damage the quality of apple rep
 
This product needs to allow me to store, organize, browse, and watch my DVD movies the same way I do with iTunes and my music CDs. If it does this, I think I'll actually buy one shortly after keynote and release (a first for me). If it doesn't do this, I have trouble seeing the point of its existence.

Sadly, I don't think the movie studios will allow such a thing.
 
Interesting that it will use a portable version of OS X, if the rumors are correct. This would certainly make a smartphone and an ultraportable possible. Of course, Apple won't necessarily see a market for such devices...

OS X in a smartphone would be. . . difficult to say the least if I understand the basics on how Darwin works.

As for iTV. Bring it on. I am really hoping that its much more then a dumb terminal. I've got a huge DVD collection just waiting to be completely ripped.
 
Of course deinterlacing doesn't actually add any information back into the signal it's still 1080i just displayed as 1080p, it's not much better than 720p scaled up to 1080p.

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the difference between 1080i and 1080p, but they're both 1920x1080, one simply transmits at 60fps interlaced while the other is half the framerate, but progressive. Since 1080p flat-panel TVs are inherently progressive, they will deinterlace a 1080i signal and display it as 24/30fps 1080p, with very nearly identical results to a straight 1080p transmission. See this article

Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
The problem with the TiVo series 3 (the only non-DirecTV HD TiVo) is that it's $800 for the box alone and doesn't work with all sources of HD (e.g. DirecTV, non CableCard cable). The iTV (if done right) will compete nicely with it. Makes more sense to me to buy a Mac Mini and EyeTV Hybrid.

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Agreed,

Maybe the iTV, iTunes would have the option to download broadcast shows sooner, then play at same time of the broadcast or later.

Some of the 480p digital looks pretty good. Don’t know if this is because it was filmed in higher resolution or what, but anything over that would be an improvement over most broadcast.
 
I'd love an iTV if it has a substantial hard-drive and twin HD tuners to replace my DVR.
 
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