iPad Pro I’ve come to a new conclusion regarding 11” vs 13” iPads

[rui no onna]

If you use it with an external keyboard and a trackpad it is not a tablet. And most iPads are used like this, in fact you were all excited to have the camera on the wrong side of what you call a tablet but use to replace a Mac in an economical way, which then doesn't even do well, since it runs iPadOS and not macOS, and above all IT IS NOT CHEAP!

It's still a tablet, just with external keyboard attached. One could still easily remove the iPad from keyboard and use it as a tablet if desired. Meanwhile, you can't disconnect the MacBook from its keyboard.

Frankly, I doubt most iPads are used with external keyboard and touchpad. Certainly, majority of entry level iPads likely aren't used with external keyboard. I reckon there are even plenty of iPad Pro buyers that don't bother with the Magic Keyboard (which is more expensive than the regular iPad).

There are probably more folks buying the iPad for what it is than trying to use it to replace Macs (or PCs).

 

[rui no onna]

An awful lot of this is personal preference - likes & dislikes; it's a bit like talking about if sushi is good or not (it isn't - it really sucks).

In this case though, it's kinda like talking whether sushi or sashimi is better.

 

[sparksd]

If you use it with an external keyboard and a trackpad it is not a tablet. And most iPads are used like this, in fact you were all excited to have the camera on the wrong side of what you call a tablet but use to replace a Mac in an economical way, which then doesn't even do well, since it runs iPadOS and not macOS, and above all IT IS NOT CHEAP!

There are times I use it with a keyboard and times I don't - it is then a tablet form factor. And where are you coming up with "you were all excited ..."? I wasn't at all excited about anything. You want a Mac, then stick with a Mac. I wanted an iPad and was willing to pay the going price. You just need to accept that.

 

[Xand&Roby]

There are times I use it with a keyboard and times I don't - it is then a tablet form factor. And where are you coming up with "you were all excited ..."? I wasn't at all excited about anything. You want a Mac, then stick with a Mac. I wanted an iPad and was willing to pay the going price. You just need to accept that.

I was referring to the fact that everywhere the miracle was shouted when Apple inserted the camera on the wrong side of its entire tablet range, except for the mini, the latest iPad.
With good probability in the future the 14" and 16" iPad Pro will arrive, to distinguish them from the 11" and 13" Airs.
And there will also be an iPadOS with a more flexible window manager, to satisfy those who want a Mac without having a Mac (macOS not, fortunately).
Because if there is one thing that Cook's Apple knows how to do is take advantage of even the most absurd uses of its devices and get paid for it, the times of the iPhone 4 and the specifications on how to hold it are far away.

 

[Xand&Roby]

It's still a tablet, just with external keyboard attached. One could still easily remove the iPad from keyboard and use it as a tablet if desired. Meanwhile, you can't disconnect the MacBook from its keyboard.

Frankly, I doubt most iPads are used with external keyboard and touchpad. Certainly, majority of entry level iPads likely aren't used with external keyboard. I reckon there are even plenty of iPad Pro buyers that don't bother with the Magic Keyboard (which is more expensive than the regular iPad).

There are probably more folks buying the iPad for what it is than trying to use it to replace Macs (or PCs).

If they use it for what it is, a tablet (so to be used more in portrait mode), it is not clear why they were excited when the camera ended up on the wrong side.

Maybe they're holding it from the wrong side.

 

[rui no onna]

If they use it for what it is, a tablet (so to be used more in portrait mode), it is not clear why they were excited when the camera ended up on the wrong side.

Maybe they're holding it from the wrong side.

There's no right or wrong orientation to use a tablet. The beauty of it is they can easily switch between landscape and portrait depending on usage. Websites, videos, etc. are often better suited for landscape. Books, PDFs, etc. in portrait.

I've primarily used my iPads in landscape mode since my first iPad (iPad 2). The only one I use in portrait is the iPad mini.

 

[sparksd]

I was referring to the fact that everywhere the miracle was shouted when Apple inserted the camera on the wrong side of its entire tablet range, except for the mini, the latest iPad.
With good probability in the future the 14" and 16" iPad Pro will arrive, to distinguish them from the 11" and 13" Airs.
And there will also be an iPadOS with a more flexible window manager, to satisfy those who want a Mac without having a Mac (macOS not, fortunately).
Because if there is one thing that Cook's Apple knows how to do is take advantage of even the most absurd uses of its devices and get paid for it, the times of the iPhone 4 and the specifications on how to hold it are far away.

Just because people use their devices in different ways that apparently don't suit you doesn't make it absurd - other than in your view.

 

[sparksd]

There's no right or wrong orientation to use a tablet. The beauty of it is they can easily switch between landscape and portrait depending on usage. Websites, videos, etc. are often better suited for landscape. Books, PDFs, etc. in portrait.

I've primarily used my iPads in landscape mode since my first iPad (iPad 2). The only one I use in portrait is the iPad mini.

I primarily use my 13" in landscape and more variable in using my Mini 6.

 

[eltoslightfoot]

After trying to use iPads as laptop replacements since 2010, I've recently bought my first macbook in years (air m4) - and for me it's much more productive than an ipad. It has a decent file system, better multitasking, better, mire capable apps,... E.g. light Logic use with multiple audio interfaces aggregated to one, using standard-plugins like waves or native instruments - can't do that on an ipad, and even if it were possible, it's not really fun or efficient. Same with video editing or some 3d modelling in Blender - or even office working with multiple numbers/pages/browser windows. So, for me, even for light work doing that on an ipad usually takes a lot more time and is less efficient/fun if it's even possible.

Otoh, it's also no fun always having that rigid clamshell design for media consumption. So, until apple graces the 13 inch ipad with a full macOS, where every mac software works, I think I need to have both (which probably is apple's intention here). One advantage of that is, though, that you can then use the ipad as a second screen for the macbook, which makes it even more productive.

I am hoping the version of iPadOS this WWDC will get us closer.

(I have been saying this unsuccessfully for about 5 years running...)

Still, I have changed most of my workflows and software at this point to be iPad Friendly, so...

 

[Xand&Roby]

There's no right or wrong orientation to use a tablet. The beauty of it is they can easily switch between landscape and portrait depending on usage. Websites, videos, etc. are often better suited for landscape. Books, PDFs, etc. in portrait.

I've primarily used my iPads in landscape mode since my first iPad (iPad 2). The only one I use in portrait is the iPad mini.

'cause the mini is a real tablet, not the others that are too big to be a portable device, as a tablet should be.

 

[Xand&Roby]

Just because people use their devices in different ways that apparently don't suit you doesn't make it absurd - other than in your view.

It's called ergonomics, it's a subject of study.
It's not opinions, it's science.

 

[sparksd]

'cause the mini is a real tablet, not the others that are too big to be a portable device, as a tablet should be.

Your opinion. I disagree.

 

[sparksd]

It's called ergonomics, it's a subject of study.
It's not opinions, it's science.

You should worry less about how people use their devices. You don't like the device, don't buy one and move on from it.

 

[rui no onna]

It's called ergonomics, it's a subject of study.
It's not opinions, it's science.

I had more neck pain when I was using laptops than when I switched to tablets.

Besides, I don’t think portrait or landscape mode is inherently more ergonomic than the other. That has more to do with how you’re holding the iPad, eye level, etc.

 

[FatLouie]

I am hoping the version of iPadOS this WWDC will get us closer.

(I have been saying this unsuccessfully for about 5 years running...)

Still, I have changed most of my workflows and software at this point to be iPad Friendly, so...

I love my iPad Pro 11 M4, it is perfect for exactly what I bought it for and use it for. But...if Apple puts macOS on a 13" iPad with a pen, I would pre-order it the first chance possible. I am not a laptop person, had one, got rid of it...never again will I own a laptop.

 

[Xand&Roby]

I had more neck pain when I was using laptops than when I switched to tablets.

Besides, I don’t think portrait or landscape mode is inherently more ergonomic than the other. That has more to do with how you’re holding the iPad, eye level, etc.

I've never seen anyone hold a tablet in landscape mode to use it while standing or walking.
I've seen someone, in some commercials, hold a tablet in landscape mode while stationary and pretend to write on it with a pen, but it was precisely an advertisement, not real life.

And I'm sure that you too are currently responding from your non-brandishable tablets sitting in an armchair, on the couch or even at a desk with a keyboard and mouse.
And guess what, that's the use you make of a computer.

 

[Xand&Roby]

Your opinion. I disagree.

This is still a free country, they say.

Having said that, I don't worry about how someone handles a device, I worry that someone, and there are many, mistakes the device and then complains that the company should find a solution to the wrong use of the device by evolving it into the wrong device, which happens especially when at the top of the companies there are those who look at the quarters more than the products.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/ive-come-to-a-new-conclusion-regarding-11-vs-13-ipads.2456207/post-33884473

An example.

 

[sparksd]

This is still a free country, they say.

Having said that, I don't worry about how someone handles a device, I worry that someone, and there are many, mistakes the device and then complains that the company should find a solution to the wrong use of the device by evolving it into the wrong device, which happens especially when at the top of the companies there are those who look at the quarters more than the products.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/ive-come-to-a-new-conclusion-regarding-11-vs-13-ipads.2456207/post-33884473

An example.

The market will be the ultimate driver. It's called economics, it's a subject of study.

 

[Xand&Roby]

The market will be the ultimate driver. It's called economics, it's a subject of study.

The market, the one famous for how it regulates itself and that can't stand monopolies.
Yes, tell me another one!

 

[sparksd]

The market, the one famous for how it regulates itself and that can't stand monopolies.
Yes, tell me another one!

Sounds like you'd be happier buying from another manufacturer. Give Samsung, Google, Huawei, or Lenovo a try.

 

[Xand&Roby]

Sounds like you'd be happier buying from another manufacturer. Give Samsung, Google, Huawei, or Lenovo a try.

No thanks, if even Apple manages to design its products badly, let alone its competitors.

Speaking of the right orientation of an iPad, have you tried to look at it behind?
You will see a logo imprinted in portrait mode, a power button at the highest point and a charging port on the opposite side, the volume balances perpendicular to it; then turn it around and you will find the camera oriented in landscape mode.
How come, maybe because if they orient the logo, power button and charging port in landscape mode instead of portrait you find a Mac, exactly like the competitors do?

 

[sparksd]

No thanks, if even Apple manages to design its products badly, let alone its competitors.

Speaking of the right orientation of an iPad, have you tried to look at it behind?
You will see a logo imprinted in portrait mode, a power button at the highest point and a charging port on the opposite side, the volume balances perpendicular to it; then turn it around and you will find the camera oriented in landscape mode.
How come, maybe because if they orient the logo, power button and charging port in landscape mode instead of portrait you find a Mac, exactly like the competitors do?

Who cares about logo orientation? I like the layout as I primarily use my 13" Pro in landscape mode, with MKB or standalone as a tablet.

 

[Xand&Roby]

Who cares about logo orientation? I like the layout as I primarily use my 13" Pro in landscape mode, with MKB or standalone as a tablet.

and what about I/O port and buttons? Doesn't you like I/O in another place more comfortable for landscape mode? And volume buttons, why not on the right place?

 

[sparksd]

and what about I/O port and buttons? Doesn't you like I/O in another place more comfortable for landscape mode? And volume buttons, why not on the right place?

They're fine to me. The i/o port works well where it is if I'm using a USB reader or a wired hub. In landscape mode, the volume buttons are oriented the same as on my laptop.

 

[Xand&Roby]

They're fine to me. The i/o port works well where it is if I'm using a USB reader or a wired hub. In landscape mode, the volume buttons are oriented the same as on my laptop.

In your laptop your volume buttons are at top of the screen?