I've gone Windows...

[Bargle]

Wow, you have a hobby building a home PC and that magically turns you into a hard core adventurer/go-getter the likes of which the world has not seen since the expiditions of Louis and Clark.

And you're a father and a husband?? Do you put your pants on both legs at a time?!

Your awesome PC is still made out of plastic...

 

[rokmac]

Wow, you have a hobby building a home PC and that magically turns you into a hard core adventurer/go-getter the likes of which the world has not seen since the expiditions of Louis and Clark.

And you're a father and a husband?? Do you put your pants on both legs at a time?!

Your awesome PC is still made out of plastic...

Did I make outrageous claims? My point, obviously missed by the borderline mentally challenged, was that I don't have much free time, yet still had time to build a PC. I didn't claim to be an adventurer, nor did I claim that building a PC yields magical powers. I am admittedly defensive after reading an idiotic comment like, "Good for you. My time is worth something." Kind of like how you're defensive because my skinny jeans comment hit close to home. And building a PC once every 4 years isn't exactly a hobby...

And your plastic comment is seriously so stupid it makes my head hurt.

Guy 1: "Looks like this PC far outperforms the iMac in every instance"

Mac tard 1: "LOL yeah but it's plastic and mine haz glass and aluminum so it's better and thinner cuz thinner is more good and plastic is not good!"

I get it though, man. You like Aluminum. Any sane person would sacrifice performance for some aluminum casing, right? I hear PC repair guys always talking about how a computer comes in running like crap and they have to replace the plastic case with an aluminum one to fix it. Good thing there isn't any plastic in macs.

Gotta run guys. Off to build a few PC's and search for hidden treaure while screwing supermodels.

 

[TennisandMusic]

Did I make outrageous claims? My point, obviously missed by the borderline mentally challenged, was that I don't have much free time, yet still had time to build a PC. I didn't claim to be an adventurer, nor did I claim that building a PC yields magical powers. I am admittedly defensive after reading an idiotic comment like, "Good for you. My time is worth something." Kind of like how you're defensive because my skinny jeans comment hit close to home. And building a PC once every 4 years isn't exactly a hobby...

And your plastic comment is seriously so stupid it makes my head hurt.

Guy 1: "Looks like this PC far outperforms the iMac in every instance"

Mac tard 1: "LOL yeah but it's plastic and mine haz glass and aluminum so it's better and thinner cuz thinner is more good and plastic is not good!"

I get it though, man. You like Aluminum. Any sane person would sacrifice performance for some aluminum casing, right? I hear PC repair guys always talking about how a computer comes in running like crap and they have to replace the plastic case with an aluminum one to fix it. Good thing there isn't any plastic in macs.

Gotta run guys. Off to build a few PC's and search for hidden treaure while screwing supermodels.

Hilarious stuff. Good one.

 

[motrek]

...
Bottom line, you can have a superior PC for less money and enjoy the project. Screw waiting for Apple. With so many people wanting even a hint of a refreshed iMac so they can determine what they need to do, Apple should, in the best interest of their customers, provide some information about a refreshed iMac. Hopefully some of you will see the light, too.

That's cool that you enjoyed building your computer. My first self-build was a 486 when I was in high school and I haven't bought a pre-assembled computer since then. I've probably built myself 6 more computers since then and constantly upgraded whatever I currently had. I've also helped countless friends build their own computers along the way. It's a nice skill to have and it can be fun, although to be honest, it loses its novelty value after you've done it as many times as I have.

So, coming at this from a different perspective, I'm ready to buy myself an iMac because 1) I'm tired of the clutter, and 2) I'm tired of hackintoshing. Of course (2) isn't a problem if you don't need OS X, but I do, and after 4 years I'm just sick of all the extra work it takes, the small things that never work *quite* right, and the limitations you have to put up with.

As for the cost, I think you're failing to take into account the market for used Macs. In my area, people frequently buy and sell used iMacs. Base-model 27" iMacs from 2-3 years ago sell frequently for $1200 (I know because I've tried and failed to buy them for less.). That means an iMac costs about $200 per year to use.

On the other hand, the market for used PCs is HORRIBLE. I've tried to sell a number of computers and I can only find buyers about half the time, and when I do find a buyer at all, I end up selling for a small fraction of what the computer cost to build. I think you can basically consider the entire price of the PC you built as a sunk cost... divide by how many years you expect to use it and I'd be surprised if it costs less than the $200/year price of an iMac. It might end up costing twice as much, is my guess.

So, to sum things up, congrats on your new computer, and I know you're excited about what you've learned and done, but it's not necessarily as great as it seems to you right now and it's not necessarily the best route for everybody.

 

[TheRealPorkchop]

Before anyone complains about this being here, I have been an iMac user for a long time now. The majority of my posts here on MR have been in the iMac section as well.

Yesterday I went ahead and ordered all the parts to build my own Windows desktop. I know, I should have at least waited until next month before I did, but I need something now and I was not going to be buying any of the current Macs. But while I have been checking this and other forums daily for bits of news on a *possible* refresh, it hit me. Why the hell am I revolving my life around a computer company? Especially one that doesn't seem to care enough about a loyal customers needs.

I am disappointed in the new iPhone, I am greatly disappointed in the new iOS update... and I could not be more disappointed in Apple's lack of respect for their non-mobile customers. Customers that have been using Macs for over 10 years. I also did not like Lion and think Mountain Lion is the worst version of OS X there is.

Combine all that with the fact that I just built a $1500 computer that will absolutely run circles in any configuration of a current iMac (and I am betting anything they are *possibly* about to release for that matter), and here we are.

I am not giving up on Apple completely. I will trial run this computer for a good half a year. If I really find it isn't for me, I can always sell the parts and return to the Mac fold... but for now, I just want to try something different.

Anyway, just my story of how Apple lost a potential iMac customer. I wholly expect the "cool story, bro"'s and the "good riddance" posts. But I just wanted to get it off my chest.

Nah, if you built one that'll run circles on a Mac Pro desktop and you don't like Windblows, then just use it for a Hackintosh and run OSX on it. Not to be Nancy Negative on you cause you probably already caught that but I hope you enjoy the noise from that PC hardware. I was die hard PC until I got a Mac and as much as I agree, I'm starting to Apple as the company, they make a superior product when it comes to the computer. I hate the iOS update, major disappointment with their new phone release, etc.. But I'll never use Windows again, I love building my own machines but if I do, they'll run OSX.

Good luck buddy, hope it works out for you and if it doesn't, I hope you can get most of your money out of that PC and you come back from the dark side soon.

 

[motrek]

... I hope you enjoy the noise from that PC hardware. ...

Oh yeah, forgot to mention this in my post. I had to go to extreme lengths to get my PC anywhere close to as quiet as an iMac. Expensive heatsink, power supply, fans, fan controllers. Many hours wasted researching, buying, and testing different parts. I finally have a computer that's almost silent (only 3 moving parts--foam-mounted hard drive and two rubber-mounted 12cm Nexus fans running at 750 RPM). Such a pain to end up with something that's probably still marginally louder than an iMac. (Read the SilentPCReview reviews of iMacs, they are really excellent acoustically.)

 

[TheRealPorkchop]

I don't know how Apple does it but their computers are dead silent for the most part, I've not been able to replicate that with any PC build I've ever done. I'll agree, you can build twice the power for about 1/2 price if you shop around and do your homework. I'm not against the PC components, it's the Windows operating system that I just don't care for, so I started off with the Hackintosh thing.

And there is a difference between a Hack and Mac. But I see where you're coming from and I see your point, can't blame you.

 

[turtlez]

I'm trying to determine how much your time is worth considering you spend a portion of it cruising the Mac rumors forum. In the amount of time you spend needlessly browsing this forum for a week, you could easily have a custom PC.

Your post could be used to summarize our culture now. Rather than use a little brainpower doing some research and put forth a little more effort to have a higher performing machine, you would rather be done in 5 minutes. To each his own I suppose, but your time isn't that limited so don't give me that line of crap. I have a full-time job as an engineer for a chemical company, i'm a part-time photographer doing 2-5 shoots a week, and i'm in the Army Reserve. I spent 2 hours after my wife and son went to bed deciding what I wanted if I were to build a PC. This morning I went back through my selections and finalized the build. All said and done I have roughly 3 hours in the design/order. It will take probably another 3-4 hours putting it together. But you know what is really odd? I actually enjoy doing it. When you design (to an extent) a computer to every specification that you wish for and then put it together yourself, it is far more satisfying than being done in 5 minutes. I prefer to challenge my brain a little more than "27" or 21.5"?". I also enjoy having an expandable, faster machine at a cheaper price while enjoying the stimulation of designing and building. I realize that i'm in the minority and most people prefer to kick back in their skinny jeans and sip a carmel chocolate mint frappa decaf moccacinno while listening to their iPod and watching Twilight on their iPad at the mall, but there are, believe it or not, people that are not terrifyingly lazy. I'm sure your time is too valuable to respond to this, but I hope you at least get a chance to read it.

you remind me of Samsung ads. Insult users of a competitive device and expect them to join you.

I don't wear skinny jeans or drink any kind of coffee. I don't like Twilight. I own an iPhone and a Mac Pro and have been using Apple stuff since '05. I am never going back to Windows so please don't stereotype us to be what you say. You just make yourself look silly.

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I don't know how Apple does it but their computers are dead silent for the most part, I've not been able to replicate that with any PC build I've ever done. I'll agree, you can build twice the power for about 1/2 price if you shop around and do your homework. I'm not against the PC components, it's the Windows operating system that I just don't care for, so I started off with the Hackintosh thing.

And there is a difference between a Hack and Mac. But I see where you're coming from and I see your point, can't blame you.

1+ years of R&D. Third party counterparts for PC cases etc usually flog out a new design in 2 days.

 

[motrek]

I don't know how Apple does it but their computers are dead silent for the most part, I've not been able to replicate that with any PC build I've ever done. ...

iMacs are pretty ideal in terms of cooling and acoustics... a tight, flat, enclosed, vertically-oriented space, basically perfect for convection cooling. The fans are placed at the bottom so what little sound escapes will be directed down and dissipate against a desk. This design is really only possible with an AIO, so good luck replicating it with a typical tower PC case; I doubt it's possible.

 

[masp84]

Think you ought to go and read some history books. Far from being 'built from' windows, unix preceded that operating system by some way. And it was apple that did the original desktop work after xerox, Microsoft copied them.

You're right Xerox was the first then Apple Lisa if I recall was introduced in 1984, my bad.. but oh yeah I remember that after MS-DOS in 1985, just one year later Microsoft Windows, came to dominate the world's PC market with over 90% of the share, overtaking Mac OS.. hummmm so which company really got things straight?

I'm far from being a fanboy, actually I hate monopolized tech/software MS included!! I'm here because I was gonna buy an iMac for work (Logic Pro) in spite of being a windows user all my life so you can get the picture, right?. " I DON'T CARE as long as It gets my job done". What happened is that I decided to do some research first as all good buyers do and all PC builders are accustomed to and reached the conclusion that Apple is no longer a viable path "for me" even if the new iMac comes out tomorrow, I don't trust the company anymore and that's not my fault.

On the other side as I continue reading Apple seems to attract the dumm and lazier people that won't even care how a PC is built. IMO that's a form of submission I won't be part of. Btw thumbs up for the Unix/Linux community, I wish Pro Tools released a compatible version for it so this would be all over.

 

[(L)SD]

A long time windows user, but when it came time for a new desktop, all the 'name brands' I looked at were shoddy builds. Since I was somewhat familiar with Mac also, I bought an iMac and boot-camped it with Win 7. Best of both worlds. Mac's are 'physically' better built, I think, but I do like aspects of both Windows and Mac. "I had to buy a Mac to get a decent Windows machine".
(L)SD - Dallas

 

[TheRealPorkchop]

I love my Mac, the old outdated 2006 little ba_tard. I know it's to each his own but I'll never own anything else unless it's a Mac, when they stop building Mac Pro desktops then I'm gonna have a problem...

At which point, I'll then build another Hack into it's case which will actually be cheaper and have twice the computing power for a lot less money. The problem will be the fact it'll be a Hack and not work 100% but that's just the price I'll have to pay when/if that time comes.

 

[motrek]

... On the other side as I continue reading Apple seems to attract the dumm and lazier people that won't even care how a PC is built. ...

Meh. Apple might attract dumb and lazy people, but it also attracts the best computer experts. OS X is just Mach and FreeBSD with a nice Apple GUI, so obviously your scientists, academics, etc. are going to be attracted to it. It's why e.g. almost all of the genius computer science PhDs at Google use Macs.

So if you want to use what the black-belt computer pros use, who have studied computer science and engineering for 6+ years at ivy league schools and work for the top computer/software companies, buy a Mac.

If you want to feel like a computer expert because you can select 10 different parts from NewEgg and plug them into each other to build your own PC, then you can do that too.

 

[masp84]

Meh. Apple might attract dumb and lazy people, but it also attracts the best computer experts. OS X is just Mach and FreeBSD with a nice Apple GUI, so obviously your scientists, academics, etc. are going to be attracted to it. It's why e.g. almost all of the genius computer science PhDs at Google use Macs.

So if you want to use what the black-belt computer pros use, who have studied computer science and engineering for 6+ years at ivy league schools and work for the top computer/software companies, buy a Mac.

If you want to feel like a computer expert because you can select 10 different parts from NewEgg and plug them into each other to build your own PC, then you can do that too.

OK, n00bs to l33t programmers use Linux or even their own OS not limited to user standards to do their jobs, imagine corporations.... are you being serious?

Google, well they might have an agreement with Apple for basic computing desktops as an image thing for publicity, however they're the primary developers/sponsors of Android OS which is Linux-based... so that lead us to think what exactly? Don't be surprised if they take over all the market one day and I'll dare to say you could mark my words.

btw putting things together is also what Apple does you naive boy. They just charge you a lot for it and customization is straight robbery. Oh and guess what! I just picked all the right parts from AMAZON, they all astonishing work natively in Mountain Lion including thunderbolt, what a great moment for us!! While many wait for the new iMac I already use a "Mac" that will surpass any upcoming iMac in processing power/Price.

 

[motrek]

OK, basic programmers use Linux or even their own OS not limited to user standards, imagine corporations.... are you being serious?
Google, well they might have an agreement with Apple for basic computing desktops as a corporative image thing, but you should know they're the primary sponsors of Android OS... so this lead us to think what exactly?

I wonder what you mean by "basic programmers" and if you actually know any real, professional programmers? I've been working in the industry for 15 years and know tons of developers from all the major companies and precious few of them use Linux. Why would they, when they could use OS X, which has literally all of the same development tools, shells, languages, libraries, platforms, etc. as Linux (literally the same, as in compiled from the same code), plus OS X has Apple's GUI, which, frankly, looks and works better than KDE or Gnome. Plus it has much more support from 3rd parties than Linux--many software packages have a Mac version but very few have Linux versions.

And, by the way, these are professional developers. Programming is their livelihood and you can bet they choose their platform based on what they think is best for their job/research/etc. and not because they are trying to maintain a certain "image."

 

[masp84]

I wonder what you mean by "basic programmers" and if you actually know any real, professional programmers? I've been working in the industry for 15 years and know tons of developers from all the major companies and precious few of them use Linux. Why would they, when they could use OS X, which has literally all of the same development tools, shells, languages, libraries, platforms, etc. as Linux (literally the same, as in compiled from the same code), plus OS X has Apple's GUI, which, frankly, looks and works better than KDE or Gnome. Plus it has much more support from 3rd parties than Linux--many software packages have a Mac version but very few have Linux versions.

And, by the way, these are professional developers. Programming is their livelihood and you can bet they choose their platform based on what they think is best for their job/research/etc. and not because they are trying to maintain a certain "image."

Real developers are not just the ones sitting on Google desks... of course I know programmers devoted to the creation of open source software and they've always been a Linux community which ideas are constantly being stolen, they don't seem to care however. I will repeat it for you too: Android OS is LINUX based. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(operating_system)

 

[motrek]

Do you really think the real developers are the ones sitting on Google desks?... of course I know programmers devoted to the creation of open source software, they're a Linux community which ideas are constantly being stolen, all in all they don't really care. I will repeat it: Android OS is LINUX based.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(operating_system)

Uh, please tell me that you know that Android is an OS for cell phones and tablets, right? Developers do not USE Android to do development. Why you are even bringing this up completely baffles me. Or do you actually think that developers have to use the operating system that they're developing software for? Do you think iOS app developers type all their code in on an iPhone? Heh.

 

[ilifecomputer]

Like I said, if you enjoy that and you like the OS just as well great, most don't have that knowledge, time or inclination and/or like MAC OS much better. Btw do you already have software for both?

Yea I have software for both. My lab gets both site licenses for everything we need. That said a lot of the software I use is only on pc (like SAS).

To the noise people, my pc build saved me no money whatsoever; it's so sexy. My dead silent noctua setup is beautiful.

 

[masp84]

Uh, please tell me that you know that Android is an OS for cell phones and tablets, right? Developers do not USE Android to do development. Why you are even bringing this up completely baffles me. Or do you actually think that developers have to use the operating system that they're developing software for? Do you think iOS app developers type all their code in on an iPhone? Heh.

Wow.. way to go on interpreting things wrong! I do know that it was programmed in linux under the same concepts and that they have a hidden agenda.. is that enough knowledge?

 

[motrek]

Wow.. way to go on interpreting things wrong! I do know that it was programmed in linux under the same concepts and that they have a hidden agenda.. is that enough knowledge?

Nope, just because Android uses the Linux kernel doesn't mean it was made using Linux. Look, they have an official build environment for OS X, which they obviously wouldn't have if they didn't need it:

http://source.android.com/source/initializing.html

So clearly at least some of Android was developed on a Mac. Anyway, I hope this thread was informative to you. I don't have time for any more of this though.

 

[iClive]

Before anyone complains about this being here, I have been an iMac user for a long time now. The majority of my posts here on MR have been in the iMac section as well.

Yesterday I went ahead and ordered all the parts to build my own Windows desktop. I know, I should have at least waited until next month before I did, but I need something now and I was not going to be buying any of the current Macs. But while I have been checking this and other forums daily for bits of news on a *possible* refresh, it hit me. Why the hell am I revolving my life around a computer company? Especially one that doesn't seem to care enough about a loyal customers needs.

I am disappointed in the new iPhone, I am greatly disappointed in the new iOS update... and I could not be more disappointed in Apple's lack of respect for their non-mobile customers. Customers that have been using Macs for over 10 years. I also did not like Lion and think Mountain Lion is the worst version of OS X there is.

Combine all that with the fact that I just built a $1500 computer that will absolutely run circles in any configuration of a current iMac (and I am betting anything they are *possibly* about to release for that matter), and here we are.

I am not giving up on Apple completely. I will trial run this computer for a good half a year. If I really find it isn't for me, I can always sell the parts and return to the Mac fold... but for now, I just want to try something different.

Anyway, just my story of how Apple lost a potential iMac customer. I wholly expect the "cool story, bro"'s and the "good riddance" posts. But I just wanted to get it off my chest.

As a relatively recent convert from Windows to OSX, I am interested to know what are your main reasons for change? ie what is it that lets the Mac down and how does a PC/Windows do it better?

 

[comatory]

I would like to hear a reason why some people came back to Mac from hackintosh. I'm toying with the idea lately and it just seems strange when someone puts a timeinto building and maintaining one, that he/she would just keep using it instead of buying Apple hardware. What are the reasons? Just curious.

 

[turtlez]

OK, n00bs to l33t programmers use Linux or even their own OS not limited to user standards to do their jobs, imagine corporations.... are you being serious?

Google, well they might have an agreement with Apple for basic computing desktops as an image thing for publicity, however they're the primary developers/sponsors of Android OS which is Linux-based... so that lead us to think what exactly? Don't be surprised if they take over all the market one day and I'll dare to say you could mark my words.

btw putting things together is also what Apple does you naive boy. They just charge you a lot for it and customization is straight robbery. Oh and guess what! I just picked all the right parts from AMAZON, they all astonishing work natively in Mountain Lion including thunderbolt, what a great moment for us!! While many wait for the new iMac I already use a "Mac" that will surpass any upcoming iMac in processing power/Price.

Good luck building an AIO or desktop for that matter that is more silent than the iMac. When Apple spends a year with R&D on this matter alone you can bet it would take other companies 5 years just for one product.

Everyone knows all the professionals in any industry use macs. Get over yourself and out of this forum. I am one of those professionals and we have hundreds of macs in our HQ.

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I would like to hear a reason why some people came back to Mac from hackintosh. I'm toying with the idea lately and it just seems strange when someone puts a timeinto building and maintaining one, that he/she would just keep using it instead of buying Apple hardware. What are the reasons? Just curious.

I haven't hackintoshed it myself but from what I have read people choose OSX so they can work rather than maintain their OS to work. When you build a hackintosh I believe people get frustrated from having to treat it like Windows with the maintenance and lets face it, a lot of the selling point of a mac is the unbeatable aesthetics which make it very attractive. For me having a nice machine on my desk actually inspires me to work.

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As a relatively recent convert from Windows to OSX, I am interested to know what are your main reasons for change? ie what is it that lets the Mac down and how does a PC/Windows do it better?

he is speaking out of anger because he couldn't wait long enough. Understandable though Apple are really pissing a lot of people off just focusing on their mobile devices.

 

[thejadedmonkey]

As a relatively recent convert from Windows to OSX, I am interested to know what are your main reasons for change? ie what is it that lets the Mac down and how does a PC/Windows do it better?

A mac computer is a fantastic machine for light usage. Beyond that, you run into trouble. Heavy use requires an expensive machine, sometimes with costs that are 2x or more than a comparable Windows computer*. Likewise, the mac isn't able to be upgraded, so after spending 2x as much on a Mac, you can't upgrade it.

Apple's ecosystem doesn't play well with others: If you have an Apple TV, Mac, and Windows Phone, you may as well as have a dumbphone. Even with Android phones, you're reliant on 3rd parties for a lot of Apple compatibility, if you can get it at all. Apple doesn't really like to use open standards like DLNA.

OS X itself is an all or nothing prospect. 98% of the time it works fantastically well. That 2% of the time, it's impossible to use. Is there a program that starts up whenever you boot OS X? If it's not in 1 of 2 places, good luck figuring out how to disable it. Printer doesn't print? Good luck getting that to work.

Apple support: Apple expects me to drive an hour to an Apple store, wait 20 minutes to meet with someone, and then do it all over again a few days later to pick my computer up. Most other companies offer some sort of next day on-site service.

My 2¢.

*Of course, at 2x the cost you can save 1/2 an inch and gain an extra hour of battery life. I personally don't find it worth it.

 

[masp84]

Good luck building an AIO or desktop for that matter that is more silent than the iMac. When Apple spends a year with R&D on this matter alone you can bet it would take other companies 5 years just for one product.

Everyone knows all the professionals in any industry use macs. Get over yourself and out of this forum. I am one of those professionals and we have hundreds of macs in our HQ.

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I haven't hackintoshed it myself but from what I have read people choose OSX so they can work rather than maintain their OS to work. When you build a hackintosh I believe people get frustrated from having to treat it like Windows with the maintenance and lets face it, a lot of the selling point of a mac is the unbeatable aesthetics which make it very attractive. For me having a nice machine on my desk actually inspires me to work.

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he is speaking out of anger because he couldn't wait long enough. Understandable though Apple are really pissing a lot of people off just focusing on their mobile devices.

i already built my MAC PC (iBoot + Unibeast = done), I'm a music producer so my Case and Cooling choosing was meticulous to make my PC dead silent. Yes it makes me feel good to give the finger to apple everyday =), I run multiple OS on my PC, Mountain Lion with TB support included.

NO I don't mind the extra hassle if any as ML even supports my Wi-Fi card Natively and I actually enjoy messing up with hardware and software. This wasn't a matter of patience either, I could buy a Mac Pro but I won't, they're just not offering what I want any longer and you're nobody to judge ones personal position. Btw it'd be fun watching you buy maxed out Macs for your starting software developing company, I'd probly lol at you for a while before helping you put together your "clones".

This is why I hate fanboys they deserve to be left in the dark even if they reckon to understand the anger... lulz