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I have to applaud your courage for starting a thread like this on an obviously Apple-biased forum. You could draw alot of hate from it.

When you're running in a completely Apple-centric ecosystem of gadgets it can be a real mind-bender trying to slot another device into its place without causing a load of hassle. good luck with it, you should add more posts on your Windows experience as time goes on. The more open-minded members on here would find it interesting.
 
Before anyone complains about this being here, I have been an iMac user for a long time now. The majority of my posts here on MR have been in the iMac section as well.

Yesterday I went ahead and ordered all the parts to build my own Windows desktop. I know, I should have at least waited until next month before I did, but I need something now and I was not going to be buying any of the current Macs. But while I have been checking this and other forums daily for bits of news on a *possible* refresh, it hit me. Why the hell am I revolving my life around a computer company? Especially one that doesn't seem to care enough about a loyal customers needs.

I am disappointed in the new iPhone, I am greatly disappointed in the new iOS update... and I could not be more disappointed in Apple's lack of respect for their non-mobile customers. Customers that have been using Macs for over 10 years. I also did not like Lion and think Mountain Lion is the worst version of OS X there is.

Combine all that with the fact that I just built a $1500 computer that will absolutely run circles in any configuration of a current iMac (and I am betting anything they are *possibly* about to release for that matter), and here we are.

I am not giving up on Apple completely. I will trial run this computer for a good half a year. If I really find it isn't for me, I can always sell the parts and return to the Mac fold... but for now, I just want to try something different.

Anyway, just my story of how Apple lost a potential iMac customer. I wholly expect the "cool story, bro"'s and the "good riddance" posts. But I just wanted to get it off my chest.

personal decision mate, nobody can ever tell you what you can and can't own, because it is your money :)
 
I have to applaud your courage for starting a thread like this on an obviously Apple-biased forum. You could draw alot of hate from it.

When you're running in a completely Apple-centric ecosystem of gadgets it can be a real mind-bender trying to slot another device into its place without causing a load of hassle. good luck with it, you should add more posts on your Windows experience as time goes on. The more open-minded members on here would find it interesting.

Actually, if you own older hardware it is perversely easier to be part of the eco system on Windows than it is on OS X. iTunes 10.7 will not run on anything earlier than Snow Leopard so anyone with a 6 year old or older Mac is SOL if they have iOS6 devices. Windows XP, however, is supported and that can run fine on machines going back 12 or more years.
 
If you want to have some fun with your new machine, then join the Hackintosh scene.

You will learn so much in that.
 
I have 3 kids at home and a wife. Each has their own iMac. This is after I would come home and deal with ever growing registry, root kits, viruses and other BS. Some of it their fault, some OS. Ever since I have the macs at home, I have 0 issues. Worse thing is that they get behind on their updates. Windows has it's place, but I have better things to do with my life than spend 1 hour a day fixing things.
 
i have all 3 operating systems ubuntu 12.04 on an old dell gx620 optiplex being a file server osx 10.7.5 on my late 09 mac mini and my 2010 macbook pro 13 windows 7 on my acer machine that had vista which i hate and my macbook for games when i travel. i beta tested windows 8 it sucks in my opinion windows 7 is far better than 8 i think 8 will be another me and vista
 
I am disappointed in the new iPhone, I am greatly disappointed in the new iOS update... and I could not be more disappointed in Apple's lack of respect for their non-mobile customers. Customers that have been using Macs for over 10 years. I also did not like Lion and think Mountain Lion is the worst version of OS X there is.

Personally, I completely agree with you. I was very disappointed with the 4S and decided to go Android and have loved it (and watching the iPhone 5/iOS 6 debacle has confirmed I made the right choice).

The fact switching away from iOS has been such a good move has really made me question if a move to Windows would be similarily rewarding, but I've not felt confident to make that jump.

I'd love to hear your views, good and bad, and ultimately your recommendation as to whether switching to Windows is a good idea.
 
I have to applaud your courage for starting a thread like this on an obviously Apple-biased forum. You could draw alot of hate from it.

When you're running in a completely Apple-centric ecosystem of gadgets it can be a real mind-bender trying to slot another device into its place without causing a load of hassle. good luck with it, you should add more posts on your Windows experience as time goes on. The more open-minded members on here would find it interesting.

lol you sound like you want him to document this new discovery of windows like no one else knows of it. It is easy to create this thread successfully because there is a lot of anger toward Apple on the turtle slow iMac update so you will get a lot of people unrealistically supporting the OP out of pure frustration. ;) I should know, I am one of those people :p
 
I have 3 kids at home and a wife. Each has their own iMac. This is after I would come home and deal with ever growing registry, root kits, viruses and other BS. Some of it their fault, some OS. Ever since I have the macs at home, I have 0 issues. Worse thing is that they get behind on their updates. Windows has it's place, but I have better things to do with my life than spend 1 hour a day fixing things.

Me too.. had my iMac since March and not a problem.. Loving it so far!
 
I think you take this stuff way too seriously. I'm not happy with Apple's focus on iJunk either, but it is what it is.

tell that to the sorry souls who lined up for hours or days to buy an iphone. ridiculous. its a phone. if that ain't showing taking things seriously, i don't know what is!
 
I'm with you,the next phone will be an Android.
Appz are becoming really capable,appz like this :
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.extreamsd.aemobile
Speaking about Windows,do you this? :
http://www.maingear.com/custom/desktops/alpha24/index.php
Some are calling it useless crap so i suppose it could be really good.
Is it hackintoshable?

That Maingear AIO kills the Imac. You can add a overlord or a Nixeus 27inch monitor w/ it and you can still get a machine that will beat the Imac for a cheaper price.
 
That Maingear AIO kills the Imac. You can add a overlord or a Nixeus 27inch monitor w/ it and you can still get a machine that will beat the Imac for a cheaper price.

I have to agree,fanboys say its ugly,(could be at least its real and not a far 500 day old chimera between here and somewhere in the 2013)
i'm only worried by heat dissipation and i'm asking myself if its not better to build an headless case by BitFenix
http://www.bitfenix.com/global/en/news/show/54,bitfenix-unleashes-prodigy/
be paired with :
1) a Cinema Led Display (No Thunderbolt )
http://store.apple.com/it/product/MC007ZM/A/apple-led-cinema-display-(schermo-piatto-da-27")
or
2)This 27" by Lg
http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/22/...a-27-inch-3d-ips-display-with-1mm-thick-bezel

Because i don't need a Mac to play games,my MacBookPro its for my work
till Apple won't decide to even Axe Osx.

Can you suggest me (just in case) a mini Atx configuration able to fit in that Prodigy case
a 680GTX with Hackintosh chances?
Thanks.
 
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I have to agree,fanboys say its ugly,(could be at least its real and not a far 500 day old chimera between here and somewhere in the 2013)
i'm only worried by heat dissipation and i'm asking myself if its not better to build an headless case by BitFenix
http://www.bitfenix.com/global/en/news/show/54,bitfenix-unleashes-prodigy/
be paired with :
1) a Cinema Led Display (No Thunderbolt )
http://store.apple.com/it/product/MC007ZM/A/apple-led-cinema-display-(schermo-piatto-da-27")
or
2)This 27" by Lg
http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/22/...a-27-inch-3d-ips-display-with-1mm-thick-bezel

Because i don't need a Mac to play games,my MacBookPro its for my work
till Apple won't decide to even Axe Osx.

Can you suggest me (just in case) a mini Atx configuration able to fit in that Prodigy case
a 680GTX with Hackintosh chances?
Thanks.

Prodigy is a mini-ITX case. Tonymacx86.com will point you in the right hardware direction for hackintosh.
 
Actually, if you own older hardware it is perversely easier to be part of the eco system on Windows than it is on OS X. iTunes 10.7 will not run on anything earlier than Snow Leopard so anyone with a 6 year old or older Mac is SOL if they have iOS6 devices. Windows XP, however, is supported and that can run fine on machines going back 12 or more years.

So true! I run software written as far back as the 1980's on my Windows XP box at work and on virtual machines. It is perverse that my latest Mac won't run any software I had that ran on my first Mac (bought 7 years ago), however using a Parallels virtual machine I can run Windows and MS/DOS programs from the last century. I even use Windows 2000 for some programs.

We've got 7 Macs at home. But unlike with Windows, I do live in fear that Apple will make some change making all these computers somehow worthless. All it takes is some radical new system that is incompatible with the old such that when one of the seven dies and I need to get a replacement I'll end up having to replace them all. For those that complain about the cost of a new Mac, just multiply that by seven!

Already I've got a potential problem in my Snow Leopard Server system. A new replacement would have to run the inferior Mountain Lion Server. Would it suffice? I don't know! Will next year's OS 10.9 that I'll need to run some app that requires it not be compatible with the services running on Snow Leopard Server forcing an upgrade there? Again, who knows? Apple has never been open with their future plans.
 
I have 3 kids at home and a wife. Each has their own iMac. This is after I would come home and deal with ever growing registry, root kits, viruses and other BS. Some of it their fault, some OS. Ever since I have the macs at home, I have 0 issues. Worse thing is that they get behind on their updates. Windows has it's place, but I have better things to do with my life than spend 1 hour a day fixing things.

Good advert. How much did they pay you? ;-)

Speaking as a Windows/Linux/OS X user, I really don't find any difference in the hassles they cause. Only today, I could get no emails in OS X mail and after maybe 1 hour of messing about found out that a program I had installed was messing with the TCP/IP stack and causing problems. I don't find that experience even 0.0000001% better than the crap I have to put up with in Windows to be honest.
 
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Good advert. How much did they pay you? ;-)

Speaking as a Windows/Linux/OS X user, I really don't find any difference in the hassles they cause. Only today, I could get no emails in OS X mail and after maybe 1 hour of messing about found out that a program I had installed was messing with the TCP/IP stack and causing problems. I don't find that experience even 0.0000001% better than the crap I have to put up with in Windows to be honest.

It used to be true (more administration for Windows) when XP was around and OS X was on Tiger. Now with W7 and Lion/ML, its not really an issue anymore. I don't see a huge difference either anymore.
 
I have to applaud your courage for starting a thread like this on an obviously Apple-biased forum. You could draw alot of hate from it.

When you're running in a completely Apple-centric ecosystem of gadgets it can be a real mind-bender trying to slot another device into its place without causing a load of hassle. good luck with it, you should add more posts on your Windows experience as time goes on. The more open-minded members on here would find it interesting.

I'd imagine that a lot of folks already run Windows in some capacity as well, whether at work or at home.

I've got a PC at work and Windows 7 is a massive improvement over Vista, it's a decent OS. My investment in software, however, means that I'm not planning on switching away from the Mac at home anytime soon.
 
Listen, Win7 is nice, no doubt. I enjoy using it via Parallels or on an actual PC at work. My main concern for you, OP, is that you're switching to a platform that is moving its OS - windows 8 - to an even more mobile/tablet-centric methodology. You don't like the evolution of OS X, it being more closely aligned to iOS, but windows 8 is far less workstation friendly... its useless without a touch screen.

And would you really want to stay on win 7 for the next 5+ years? I understand being disenchanted with Apple... its not like it was even 5 years ago. My concern is that Windows is NOT ANY better. I agree with the hardware flexibility - it would be wonderful if we Mac users could have so many choices or even build our own. But when it comes to software, Windows OS is going in a bad direction. I hope you won't come to miss OS X.

Although, if it (OS X) get's dumbed down any more, Apple risks losing many more old timers.

Best of luck to you bro...

Boy that is complex lets see..

Win 8 hit windows key type what I'm looking for hit enter

OSX hit CMD+Space type what I'm looking for hit enter

close a window in Win 8 alt+f4

close a window in OSX CMD+Q

Shut down charms power off

Shut down OSX Apple shut down

The complexity is overwhelming :rolleyes:
 
Update for those who are interested:

I am now completely up and running and have Windows tweaked the way I want it.

I will start off by saying for someone who has not used a Windows setup as my main computer for over 10 years, the transition has not been entirely easy (but that was expected), but also nowhere near as bad as I thought.

Building the computer was possibly the best thing of the whole experience so far. I learned tons of stuff about things I never really needed to know using Macs. I am fairly informed as to how things work when it comes to personal computing, but messing around with switches and the motherboard and the general setup, I now have a broadened and greater understanding of them - and that is a definite plus.

Some things were obviously confusing. But just going over my steps very carefully, I figured everything out and powered up the PC without any issue on the first try. I used Newegg TV's how to build a PC tutorial. Informative and precise. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPIXAtNGGCw

My only real issues are the little things that set them apart. Different ways to do the same task. Different keyboard shortcuts, etc.

Pros:
This thing is POWERFUL. As stated before, for about the same price as the current iMac, I have something that is literally almost 3 times as fast. It can run ANY game on ultra settings, it blazes with Photoshop using large files, etc etc. I know speed and power are not huge factors for a lot of Mac users, but for the ones that need it, this is the only real option right now.

Hardware customization is SIMPLE. Of course I am comparing a box pc to an AIO and that isn't fair. But I am going from the AIO to this so it is new to me. Anything I need to add or extract is as easy popping the side open and popping something in or out. No more removal of the glass, carefully detaching cables, etc. It is nice now, it will be even nicer in the future come upgrade time.

Software customization is not so simple, but it is there. EVERYTHING can be tweaked in Windows. Nothing is really hidden from you. For a novice or casual user, not so much of a big deal, but it is still there if you need it. I am aware it can be done with OSX as well, but they like to hide a lot of that from you. This is mostly all in the open.

The new Windows Libraries feature. I will plead ignorant when it comes to a similar feature in OSX because I have never had a multi-drive setup like I do now... but libraries are basically folders that hold other folders from any drive and in any amount - so when you click on the library folder, it brings them all under one place instead of jumping around to different drives and such. It makes it really easy to have a pictures folder on my main drive and also on the secondary and pull them all up with one folder, for instance.

Zune software. I wasn't sure what I would be using for music, but I knew I wouldn't be using iTunes (as I hate it even on OSX). I tried the Zune software and absolutely love it.

Cons:
Fonts and image smoothness are nowhere near on par with OSX almost to jarring levels. Even with tweaking and calibrating every last thing, reading documents and webpages just do not have the same "pop" as they do on a Mac.

Having to install tons of anti-virus/malware/security software. Honestly, I should have been installing them on my Mac anyway. It is only a matter of time when people start maliciously attacking them, especially as they become more and more popular. But it is still a pain to setup. Once you do though, you never really have to mess around with them. That being said, it has already forced me to become a more safe web surfer. Again, something I should have been doing from the start.

I can't really think of many more cons at this point. Everything has ran and gone pleasantly smooth. For now. I am sure I will run into those little annoyances that I just can't understand why they're done the way they are. But that is inevitable with any OS, I guess.

I am not going to lie. I already miss a few things about OSX. The font thing is a pretty HUGE con for me. But in the end, I got a box that can do anything the iMac can do, and so much more, at half the price. I used to think "OSX is still worth the price difference" but not so much anymore. Especially since one of the reasons that helped me make the jump was when I realized I was using so many third party apps instead of stock OSX stuff... I figured 'what was I holding on to?'.

To anyone on the fence... I don't know what to say exactly. It is so far working for me, but your mileage may vary.

Now if Apple want to match this box somehow in spec and price somewhere down the line, my allegiances may shift once again :p

This is my build:
CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM
Storage: Samsung 830 Series 128GB 2.5" SSD
GPU: MSI GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB
Case: Cooler Master HAF 922 Mid Tower Computer Case with USB 3.0
Power Supply: Cooler Master Silent Pro Gold (SPG) 800 Watts Modular
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer
Monitor: Acer S271HLbid 27.0"
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit)
 
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I decided to build my own back in June when we still thought the iMac update was right around the corner. I'm very glad I made that decision. My experience has been very similar to yours as well.

I use it mostly for rendering architecture projects as I'm currently in a Masters of Architecture program. It's also awesome to finally have something that won't crap out during games. It's great to have a computer that runs all the programs natively, and doesn't need bootcamp or parallels. That said, if these programs ran on Mac OS, and Apple made a fairly priced workstation/AIO then I would switch back. I certainly don't prefer Windows, as I use my now defunct 17" MBP for small tasks and like the OS better, but it's nice to have spent much much less and have a vastly more powerful machine.

My setup is about the same as yours actually:
CPU: Intel Core i7-3820 3.6Ghz Quad-Core
Motherboard: ASRock X79 Extreme6/GB
Memory: G.Skill Ares 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-1333
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Green 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM
Storage: Crucial M4 128GB
GPU: AMD Firepro V5900
Case: Corsair White 600T
Power Supply: Cooler Master Silent Pro Gold (SPG) 800 Watts Modular
Monitor: Dell U2412m
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit)

Plus, since I now have a system I can add onto, I finally bought an internal card reader so that I can pop the SD card out of my phone and camera into the computer easily.
 
I'd imagine that a lot of folks already run Windows in some capacity as well, whether at work or at home.

I've got a PC at work and Windows 7 is a massive improvement over Vista, it's a decent OS. My investment in software, however, means that I'm not planning on switching away from the Mac at home anytime soon.

Dont think i quite explained what i meant. I've used Windows my whole life, still do at work as i work and really like Windows 7. If you use a Mac as your main computer for a long time though you can get heavily invested in the ecosystem (such as iCloud and the Mac-Only apps you know and rely on) Shifting over to a different one can be a real pain.
 
Dont think i quite explained what i meant. I've used Windows my whole life, still do at work as i work and really like Windows 7. If you use a Mac as your main computer for a long time though you can get heavily invested in the ecosystem (such as iCloud and the Mac-Only apps you know and rely on) Shifting over to a different one can be a real pain.

I don't disagree, though I think the way cloud computing is taking over is making that less of an issue. Software in general is a lot less expensive and more accessible than it used to be, and most folks now could do their work in a browser if they had to.

That being said, as a designer that doesn't necessarily describe me. When I'm invested in things like the Adobe suite and other 3D apps my budget doesn't allow for more than one license so I have to choose my platform. I do have a few Mac only apps that I really like (Coda) but nothing that I rely on so much that I couldn't move to something else if needed.

Creative Cloud may actually be changing things for the creative industry as well, I'm currently debating whether or not I'm going to be upgrading my suite of software or moving to a monthly fee based option.
 
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