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It was a joke, to the "shocked to..." To the OP, I apologize. And next time I wish to be reminded of my financial state, I will make sure and ask you jessica.

lol it didnt come across as a joke

it came across as "im paying more than you" type of thing as if its some sort of contest:cool:

At any rate op, college is pricy and loans are not fun. If you can avoid them DO. Nothing is as fun as starting your life in a six figure hole

Please explain further? I'm confused. In the American system of colleges and university's if you are accepted into the school then usually the choice of major or degree is up to you. Now you will have to make certain grades in that chosen major to graduate with a degree, but pre-admission grades don't usually exclude you from taking the classes in the major of your choosing. Is it different where you are or am I not understanding what you wrote?

No it isn't. Being accepted in a US college does not mean you may pursue any degree you want. Different college within the university have different standards

For example, to get in the engineering college at my alma matter, you had to have higher act, higher gpa in hs than those set to get in the university on a whole

However, regardless of your major, once you get into it, you have to maintain a certain gpa to remain in it or risk being kicked out of the program
That is so crazy different from what we do here in the states for a general college education. Now bear in mind I graduated from college 10 years ago so I'm sure there have been some changes made since then and of I'm also sure that specific schools probably do things differently. However, on average, in America you apply to the school and are granted acceptance or denial based on your grades and scores on one of two national predictive higher education tests, the SAT of the ACT. Once accepted to a university you can either declare a major of study at that point or remain "undecided."

I agree

Typically your first two years of courses are general studies or "core" prerequisite courses that every student must take to graduate. In the final two years, or three in my case :D, you take the specific courses of your chosen degree emphasis or major. Some majors do require certain grade point averages based on your previous two years of academic performance and actually receiving a degree is also based on your academic performance in the courses of your chosen major.

For the most part yes. I know even during my freshman year, we were already taking major specific courses

Usualy you have to maintain a certain GPA in major classes to graduate, which may be different than the typical C for passing
To a certain extent education in the USA has become a consumer product. Basically, you can participate in and get any degree you want as long as you are willing to pay for it. From the lowest level community college to the most expensive and prestigious university, they really don't care what you do or how you do it as long as you pony up the cash it takes to pay the tuition. Now of course there are highly acclaimed programs that have achieved a recognized status where they can be selective and only take the "best of the best", but I'm talking more about the general college education.

I don't agree

I know too many people who go, dont study and get kicked out with the bill to boot

You have to work for your degree, it's not just given to you
In our highly individualized society that praises the "exploration of self" in the formative years it's almost crazy to believe that an 18 year old teenager would be expected to know exactly "what he wants to be when he grows up" and to be judged on his ability to academically achieve that because of a test that ranks him against his peers.

How do people that drop out of school or go to work first and then come back for a degree later in life get into school? Are high school graduates competing against everyone else who wants to get into college on these TEE & TER exams?
Yea, I graduated a few years ago and still don't know what I want to do lol
 
I go to one of the school's of the University of California System.......which includes Berkeley, UCLA, UCSD, UCI....

i actually go for free! since i'm a commuter.....

but next year every UC will be hit hard financially.....thanks to schwarzenggar.....

so tutions might go up this year or 2010-2011....:(:eek:
 
It's a three year course, and I'm rather shocked to find out tuition fees alone will cost me more then AU$7200 a year (roughly US$6900) - does this sound about right??

Thats very cheap, most of the colleges I'm looking at right now are somewhere in the $30,000-$50,000 range.
 
Congrats :D
I don't know how much my term fees were but all in all, with my student loan, I owed £8k for my degree.
 
How do people that drop out of school or go to work first and then come back for a degree later in life get into school? Are high school graduates competing against everyone else who wants to get into college on these TEE & TER exams?

They have to do special courses at other institutions to get the right qualifications first. For example, my best friend moved out here from England a couple years back so his education means absolutely nothing in our system. This year he's had to apply to an adult college just to be able to be able to sit some exams that are recognised in the admission process.
 
Do we need the sarcasm emoticon every time?

there was no hint of sarcasm in that post. his reply was to simply state that hes paying more. well good for him and whatever point he's trying to make. all i know is less=better in terms of what you have to pay to get a degree

why are you speaking on his behalf anyway?

speaking of which
I mean it wasn't sarcastic. It was: I'd love to switch places with your tuition bill.

lol yea.

Just curious, any reason why you are going to a school that costs so much? You knew that going in did you not? Surely you looked at the cheaper state school option as well right as I assume you go to a private school?
 
No it isn't. Being accepted in a US college does not mean you may pursue any degree you want. Different college within the university have different standards. For example, to get in the engineering college at my alma matter, you had to have higher act, higher gpa in hs than those set to get in the university on a whole

I don't agree. I know too many people who go, dont study and get kicked out with the bill to boot. You have to work for your degree, it's not just given to you

Let me try to better explain what I'm trying to say. I understand that here in the states different programs can have stricter entrance requirements like you mentioned above and I did not intend to imply that we are simply buying degrees with no effort required. What I mean is that as long as you have the money and meet the minimum requirement then you can have the opportunity to pursue the program of your choice. A typical student with a decent grade point average and a decent ACT/SAT score has a multitude of options available to him or her and for the most part can select their major from a variety of choices. Heck, in our system they can change majors two or three times and the school doesn't care as long as the check clears.

From what the OP is saying there is immense competition just to be able to get your major. You are not just screened based on meeting the minimum requirements, but just being able to study what you want is a fight against others and you are limited from the beginning in your choices. It sounds almost as if getting to select your major in Australia is like the screening process for scholarships or competitive grants here in the states.

Is all of the competition a result of limited availability for pursuing higher education? In other words there are only so many schools, so many teachers, and so many available spots in a classroom?

It just seems so odd to me that a student would have to declare as a part of the application process and that two tests determine if you can be given your major of choice. I know so many people that didn't take college seriously and did just enough to get a degree. However, when they got into the work force or pursued further education they matured and actually took responsibility seriously. I'm an example myself. I barely had a 3.0 GPA in college because I just didn't apply myself. But, when I started my Masters and began paying for my classes myself everything changed. In 60+ hours of graduate work I made only one B and I'm still ticked about it. I wanted that 4.0 GPA so bad because now my education was important to me. It just seems like a lot of pressure for a young person and a high level of expected maturity the way the OP's system is set up. That's not a bad thing, I'm just surprised.
 
Congrats on being accepted Ivan!:D
Most people take what will give them a solid career, financially and for longevity. It's just too much time and money to take something that might pose a risk in gaining employment for the future. But yes, there are people including a few of my friends that spent 4 or 5 years and a boatload of money for Uni and are making piss poor wages. I guess they're happy doing what they do to an extent. Just make sure you weigh everything out before you choose what to specialize in.;)
As for your course fees, I don't know, I never went to University.:eek:
 
there was no hint of sarcasm in that post. his reply was to simply state that hes paying more. well good for him and whatever point he's trying to make. all i know is less=better in terms of what you have to pay to get a degree
Well then you're a fool.

why are you speaking on his behalf anyway?
Because it was unbelievably obvious he was joking and for some reason some people are too dense to understand it. Apparently some people are so dense they don't get it even after it has been explained.


OHHHH Now you think it's funny. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
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