I’ve reverted - giving up for now on these machines.

[turbineseaplane]

you are picking on things YOU find limitations on the M1 because YOU are using old hardware which is not running well with the new tech.... just return the thing and move on... looks like the vast majority is very happy (I included), and again with ZERO/ZARO issues ...

Knock it off please.

Bluetooth on my M1 Mini wasn't working right with Apple's own Magic Trackpad 2 - that is not "old hardware".

Come on over to my local Apple Store and chat with the rep where I returned my units and ask him about the various returns they've had related to bluetooth.

Just because you have not had an issue doesn't mean one does not exist.

You've said your thing, now please move on.

 

[turbineseaplane]

The 5k Panel that is used in the iMac is available under the LG ultra Fine brand. I had the 4k one for a while using it with the M1 and it is pretty nice. The price is a bit overkill but is what it is.

Good thoughts - Have pondered it, but to your point, it's awfully pricey given the iD and QC.

I know a couple who have it and are sort of "meh" on it...
Also, this thread consistently gives me pause

LG UltraFine 5K - Issues/bugs

Hey guys, hoping someone can help me out. I sent my dad my LG Ultrafine 5K, and he's having a few issues. Here is what's going on: The LG 5K Display is being registered as connected to the laptop, and showing up Displays under System Preferences. LG Ultrafine 5K is not turning on (screen...

forums.macrumors.com

I just really wish Apple would make their own 5k enclosure/display and pitch it as a great docking station for these amazing new M laptops.

 

[Johnny907]

You bought it knowing the specs. That's like buying a car with a four cylinder engine then returning it because it doesn't have a V-8. Did you have a question with your OP or you just felt the need to let us know you were returning your Apple products? I don't work for Apple or have stock with them so you can buy and return a MacBook every day and it won't hurt my feelings 😂

Or like buying an 80k Audi A8L, and having to deal with an infotainment system that runs like absolute @ss compared to the setup in a 25k Honda Civic.
When people pay a premium price they expect a premium experience. That is neither weird nor unreasonable. Criticizing them for voicing that expectation and disappointment, however, is.

 

[Mcdevidr]

True the 5k I suppose had some issues I didn’t get one. The 4K is gorgeous and worked well for me with windows a Razer for gaming and the M1 air. I just couldn’t justify the $700 price tag. Instead I bought a larger laptop and just use that directly with a stand for gaming. And use the Mac on the go.

 

[richinaus]

Just back from the Apple Store.

This is obviously just random anecdotal, but the guy I returned the machine to at the little "window" they have set up said he's had a couple returns of M1 Mini's for "issues" (bluetooth he'd heard of...others too, but we didn't get into it much as there was a line behind me)

Possible some bad units in the batch I guess?
Maybe some hardware/software combo of things too..

I really hope they get it worked out for all that are having problems.

My partners M1 MBP has all the same issues you mention. She is putting up with them, whereas I would be returning.

She was working on Remote Desktop and lost connections constantly, together with headphone bluetooth issues on calls.

Not great when that is what she does all day....

 

[richinaus]

True the 5k I suppose had some issues I didn’t get one. The 4K is gorgeous and worked well for me with windows a Razer for gaming and the M1 air. I just couldn’t justify the $700 price tag. Instead I bought a larger laptop and just use that directly with a stand for gaming. And use the Mac on the go.

yeah I use the LG 24" 4k everyday - love that monitor and find it the sweet spot for me and my app usage.

 

[Yebubbleman]

The whole concept of buying a machine just for a muck about and then returning it is morally wrong in my books. The number of people who do this on this site blows me away. If you want it, buy it, otherwise you're just making it worse for everybody else. No wonder times are out to 4-5 weeks. Return it if you got problems, that's fine, but everything else is just selfish.

Except that is fueling both the used and refurbished markets. I certainly looked far and wide for a base model M1 MacBook Air (as that would be perfect to replace the 2017 12" Retina MacBook I used) for beta testing new OSes on the used market. Everyone was trying to jack up the price to obscene levels given the shortage. If more people bought and then sold these machines, there'd be more of them to snatch up for cheaper. I'd happily buy a base model M1 Air for $800 used. Hell, I'd happily buy a base model M1 Mac mini for $500 used. Hard to do that if people aren't selling the ones they're buying to test with.

 

[dmccloud]

I am not paying a premium to Apple and then still having to upgrade things that they should’ve upgraded themselves.

Let’s hold these guys to a higher standard than that please

Then you'd have to hold the rest of the industry to that same standard - 99% of all built-in webcams are only 720p, the vast majority of which have weaker sensors than what Apple includes. The issue is that you only have a finite amount of space to fit the camera in across all three dimensions.

 

[Johnny907]

The whole concept of buying a machine just for a muck about and then returning it is morally wrong in my books. The number of people who do this on this site blows me away. If you want it, buy it, otherwise you're just making it worse for everybody else. No wonder times are out to 4-5 weeks. Return it if you got problems, that's fine, but everything else is just selfish.

Meh. I test drove the first gen Macbook 12" for a month before taking it back right before the return window closed at Best Buy. I really wanted to like it, because I travel half of the year and being able to shrink one more aspect of my carryon would have been a boon for me. But at the end of 30 days I just couldn't deal with a single USB port that also served as the only charging port, and I noticed the processor chugging way too hard on relatively mundane tasks to not have concerns regarding the robustness of that over the 4-5 years I generally hold onto a computer before upgrading.
When I took it back it was restored to factory with a fresh OS install, the unit itself was wiped down before being returned and in the original packaging, looking flawless. The agent who processed the return asked if I'd even used the thing.
At the end of the day, Apple and third party retailers don't lose a dime on resale of open box items. Apple in particular has set the gold standard for the Refurb market.
As to your notion that returning an item that starts at around a thousand dollars if it doesn't complete fit your needs and expectations is somehow selfish, well I don't even know what to say to that. Do you honestly think any retailer, Apple included, puts anything other than their bottom line at the very top of their list of priorities each day and every transaction? We don't owe Apple a darn thing, period.

 

[dmccloud]

At the end of the day, Apple and third party retailers don't lose a dime on resale of open box items.

If I was to return my Mac to Best Buy, it would sell for around $1200 max as an open box item, even though I paid $1499.99 originally. If I was to return it without the box, it would sell closer to $1000. How exactly would Best Buy not lose money on that?

 

[turbineseaplane]

I can't believe we have people in here "worried" about the likes of Apple & Best Buy

Guys - these are cutthroat mega corps, not some small business on the town Main Street.

They do **nothing** in your interest, if it isn't also in theirs.
Let's not worry about the "morality" of trying out their products and returning them if one sees fit.

They proudly encourage customers to do it (Apple at least).

 

[Quackers]

I can't believe we have people in here "worried" about the likes of Apple & Best Buy

Guys - these are cutthroat mega corps, not some small business on the town Main Street.

They do **nothing** in your interest, if it isn't also in theirs.
Let's not worry about the "morality" of trying out their products and returning them if one sees fit.

They proudly encourage customers to do it (Apple at least).

It's not Apple that pays for these returns. It's us
Surely you don't think Apple swallows the loss?

 

[turbineseaplane]

It's not Apple that pays for these returns. It's us
Surely you don't think Apple swallows the loss?

Just don’t worry about it is my point.

Returns, along with zillions of other supply chain and manufacturing issues are all factored in.

People, individually, should do what’s best for them here.

If folks want to buy and try, and it’s allowed, go for it.
Buy only if you are sure... also great.

A morality police about it is...just pointless really (not saying you at all)

 

[Quackers]

Just don’t worry about it is my point.

Returns, along with zillions of other supply chain and manufacturing issues are all factored in.

People, individually, should do what’s best for them here.

If folks want to buy and try, and it’s allowed, go for it.
Buy only if you are sure... also great.

A morality police about it is...just pointless really (not saying you at all)

It is factored in - to the price

 

[turbineseaplane]

It is factored in - to the price

Exactly....and any individual can not control what the mass will do anyways, so do what is best for yourself on this.

Put another way, If nobody ever returns anything...do you think Apple will lower prices or keep the profit and stick to their own schedule of making more, and more, and more money....always?

hint...they won’t lower prices or even keep them the same

 

[Quackers]

I suspect they would not but that is just supposition, of course.

 

[OSB]

My M1 mini has it’s early quirks - it doesn‘t wake my ultrawide from sleep as fast as my outgoing late-2015 iMac woke, and I’ve had at least one bluetooth KP. But I knew I’d effectively be late-beta testing for Apple. To be honest, it’s exciting to on the front of a new architecture again, and it’s been stable enough for a work/production machine.

 

[Zazoh]

The financial organization I work for is struggling with training its 200,000 + worldwide employees this level of ethics. All of the justifications given have been used by traders and bankers who have gone on to either cause millions in fines or jail time.

But I see this a different way. While millions have purchased the M1 and use it daily successfully. A few of you have failed to grow and learn the new future of Apple.

As a share holder and long time computer veteran, I’m sad to see you fall behind as technology moves forward.

 

[OldMike]

To be honest, it’s exciting to on the front of a new architecture again

This is exactly why I am kind of antsy to get my hands on one, even though it is not an absolutely critical need. I was excited when Mac went to the PowerPC, I was excited when it went to Intel and this move to Apple Silicon seems like the biggest and best architecture shift of them all. Really is exciting - and I don't want to miss out on the tears of pain and joy, since it probably won't happen again for another 15 or 20 years (if ever).

 

[armoured]

Meh. I test drove the first gen Macbook 12" for a month before taking it back right before the return window closed at Best Buy. I really wanted to like it, because I travel half of the year and being able to shrink one more aspect of my carryon would have been a boon for me. But at the end of 30 days I just couldn't deal with ...
As to your notion that returning an item that starts at around a thousand dollars if it doesn't complete fit your needs and expectations is somehow selfish, well I don't even know what to say to that.

Let's distinguish here: if you buy something knowing it has a return policy and after giving it an honest workout you decide it really doesn't meet your needs, and the seller's return policy allows it, I don't think anyone's saying that's bad. That's what it's intended for and it's generous of apple to provide it (and I guess good business for them over the long term, keeps customers happy).

But I am surprised how many posting here seem to be purchasing with the express intent of returning, i.e. they are not in fact purchasing but just using the return policy to 'rent' it for some period. Or buying two with the intent to return one of them. Personally I don't like that; it does have a cost, and it gets built into subsequent pricing for everyone.

Sure, there are some edge or in-between cases, and sure, there are some who think "well it's technically allowed so it's fine." Everyone should make their own decisions, and I can also decide that's wasteful and I wouldn't want my kids to think that's the right way to behave, either.

 

[johnkree]

Or like buying an 80k Audi A8L, and having to deal with an infotainment system that runs like absolute @ss compared to the setup in a 25k Honda Civic.
When people pay a premium price they expect a premium experience. That is neither weird nor unreasonable. Criticizing them for voicing that expectation and disappointment, however, is.

Sorry but this is nonsense. 1000$ is not premium. It's pretty standard. Compare it to other 13" laptops. Like the XPS 13. Costs as much, coming with an i3.
And now compare what you get for it. Even low and older mid range gaming PCs are beaten by the M1 and every laptop in that price range is beaten by far. So don't argue about paying premium. You could say that with the 16" but the M1 computers are the best deal you can get. You comment is so Acer era 400$ housewife PC. Did you notice that the whole industry went more expensive in the last 10 years?

I got my 2011 MacBook Pro for 999€ and this was the best deal. And it wasn't anywhere as powerful as the M1s are compared in that price range.
You don't buy an Audi, you are buying a pretty solid entry level car with the engine of an Audi.

 

[turbineseaplane]

I’m confused now.

Who did said they were buying with express plans to return from the get go (I.e - “rent” them)

I guess I missed the posts saying that was the plan?

Do you mean people buying two nearly similar machines but returning one?

I agree. That is possibly not ideal, but it does still result in one keeper. But I don’t recall that being expressed much (or at all?)

I can’t speak for others, but I know I didn’t want to return my MBA or Mini...and have plans to get at least a Mini again at some point.

 

[armoured]

I’m confused now.

Who did said they were buying with express plans to return from the get go (I.e - “rent” them)

I guess I missed the posts saying that was the plan?

I'm too lazy to search but yes, I've seen posts here saying this was the plan. And I believe that was what the post that first raised this issue was referring to. If I'm off base that this was not what was meant, mea culpa.

Personally I also don't think buying two with the intent of returning one is entirely kosher either, but that's IMHO - that's effectively buying one with the intent of testing. (Just buy one and return it to upgrade if it doesn't meet your needs)

As an example of specific circumstances, I can imagine a corporate buying two to see which spec level to buy for a larger roll-out. But then I expect a serious corporate doing this would arrange with apple or a reseller to get test versions on a complimentary basis or with some specific arrangement (actually I don't even know if apple provides the same return policy for corporates, a good question). I think my emplyer would buy several and just keep the 'extra' ones for some less demanding use and not bother with returning unless there was some serious issue.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Personally I also don't think buying two with the intent of returning one is entirely kosher either, but that's IMHO - that's effectively buying one with the intent of testing. (Just buy one and return it to upgrade if it doesn't meet your needs)

what’s the difference if you buy two and return one or buy one, return one and buy another?

lol

Honestly all of this is just humorous to me.

Buy, return, keep .. do whatever everyone. Apple will do what they need to and allow what they will or won’t.

Just get the machine you want, however it works for you.

Eventually a user will keep and use “something” and that’s likely all Apple really, mostly, cares about.

 

[senttoschool]

I am not paying a premium to Apple and then still having to upgrade things that they should’ve upgraded themselves.

Let’s hold these guys to a higher standard than that please

Actually, I'm quite ugly already. I don't want a 1080p camera so that my coworkers can see clearly how ugly I'm. The 720p is perfect for me. 🤣😜

If Apple puts a 1080p camera in the Air, they better have built-in AI beautify software to make my face look nicer or I'm not buying it. Otherwise, I will have to artificially limit my internet's bandwidth so video chat apps lower my webcam quality.

I'm very thankful I'm already in a relationship.

How about Apple leave the 720p in the Air but upgrade the base RAM to 16GB or the base SSD to 512GB? I'd prefer that way more than a 1080p camera.