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http://vr-zone.com/articles/exclusive-mobile-quad-core-oem-ivy-bridge-processors-unveiled/14210.html

VR-Zone has some OEM listings for Ivy Bridge.

Core i7-3610QM
2.3GHz

Core i7-3612QM
2.1GHz

Core i7-3615QM
2.3GHz

These will more than likely replace the existing entry Core i7 2630QM and 2670QM. The lower clocks might lead to 35W parts as well.

I wonder how happy Apple will be with this .... Their current quad-core offerings clock in at 2.2 GHz and 2.4 GHz (the latter can be upgraded to 2.5 GHz BTO), so if these are the new clock speeds, then they will be lower than the current offerings.

I haven't kept track, but are the current CPUs 45W or 35W?

Regardless, I don't see a major change in the MBP form factor (apart from perhaps eliminating the ODD) unless and until the quad-cores consistently fall below 35W. Given what we know about IVB, I don't foresee any major overhaul of the MBP's case design until at least Haswell; hence, I think the new and upcoming 15" Air-like model will be a new MBA.
 
Current quad core mobile processors are 45W. VR-Zone has more information to verify that the Core i7 3612QM is a 35W part. On a minor note, further down it lists that it also supports PCI-Express 3.0.
 
Regardless, I don't see a major change in the MBP form factor (apart from perhaps eliminating the ODD) unless and until the quad-cores consistently fall below 35W. Given what we know about IVB, I don't foresee any major overhaul of the MBP's case design until at least Haswell; hence, I think the new and upcoming 15" Air-like model will be a new MBA.

Haswell is 22nm as well, it's unlikely that we will see substantial drops in TDPs.

On a minor note, further down it lists that it also supports PCI-Express 3.0.

Same dies as desktop chips so quite obvious. The original IVB mobile roadmap mentioned PCIe 3.0 as well.
 
Whats the point of making this look like amazing news for the Mac? The competitor will get the same processor upgrade.

Its better to say, computers will get an upgrade next may

They make it sound like the Mac is gonna kill the competition...
 
calling all Mac gurus

I have never owned a macbook and every time I look at one at the coffee shop especially the screen quality I get anxious to go buy one! But when I heard about the new Ivy bridge processor release in Q2 2012 “speculation” I thought It might be a good idea to wait and not buy yet.

Then I thought I can buy one now then sell it and get the new one since I have heard that the resale value of macbook is very good and doesn't depreciate as bad as a PC. I was looking to get the 13” macbook, I will be mainly using it for programming Java.

My question to you, is the Ivy bridge a big improvement? Does it worth/warrant the wait? I also heard that they're going back to nVidia which some users suggested it was a bad move! and that the intel 3000 HD is not a good graphic chip!

Please assist.
Thanks.
 
Right, although I'd like a 15 inch macbook pro that was designed like an air with the fastest internals possible to keep the price below 2000.

Don't be deliberately obtuse.

He obviously means he's alright with whatever newer hardware it will come with. Meaning hardware refreshes will continue regardless, the next-gen usually being better than the previous gen in the majority of cases.
 
I have never owned a macbook and every time I look at one at the coffee shop especially the screen quality I get anxious to go buy one! But when I heard about the new Ivy bridge processor release in Q2 2012 “speculation” I thought It might be a good idea to wait and not buy yet.

Then I thought I can buy one now then sell it and get the new one since I have heard that the resale value of macbook is very good and doesn't depreciate as bad as a PC. I was looking to get the 13” macbook, I will be mainly using it for programming Java.

My question to you, is the Ivy bridge a big improvement? Does it worth/warrant the wait? I also heard that they're going back to nVidia which some users suggested it was a bad move! and that the intel 3000 HD is not a good graphic chip!

Please assist.
Thanks.

Ivy Bridge will be a big bump and certainly an Ivy Bridge MacBook Pro will be a much more substantial bump from the current rev than the current Sandy Bridge rev was from the Early 2011 Sandy Bridge rev. It won't be as big of a bump as the Early 2011 rev was over the Mid 2010 rev, but it'll be faster, certainly. The Intel HD 4000 that'll come in tow with Ivy Bridge will be better than both the Intel HD 3000 and the NVIDIA GeForce 320M IGPs in all respects (from what I've heard about it); it'll still be an IGP, itself, and it'll still be an Intel one at that (which means it'll lag behind other contemporary IGPs and certainly discrete VRAM GPUs), but it'll be a better IGP than has ever been shipped in an Intel Mac (whether we're talking NVIDIA or Intel). That being said, most people on here assume that there'll be an exterior refresh. Personally, I disagree, but I am excited about USB 3 integration (given that Thunderbolt will never supplant USB, and that USB 3 support is inevitable on all machines at this point). So, take your pick. If you buy a current model, you won't hate it. They're fantastic machines. Personally, I'm going to wait until the next refresh so I have the choice between a new model or (if I hate what they do to the next refresh) a current one at a discounted price.

If you're just looking at a 13" and you're just looking at Java programming, the buy now vs. buy then argument gets interesting as there are all sorts of theories on the future of the 13" MacBook Pro, especially in light of the 13" MacBook Air's growing popularity and given Apple's seeming push toward ultra-portables. If you believe that the 13" MacBook Pro is endangered, I say buy now as a 13" Air won't grant you as much flexibility on how much RAM you can stuff in it (let alone HD/SSD upgrades down the road). If you don't believe that it is endangered, then I'd say that waiting couldn't hurt, given that another theory on the table is that the 13" MacBook Pro will be able to take a Quad-Core Ivy Bridge CPU due to breakthroughs in thermal output (or rather lack thereof).

If that doesn't matter to you, the current machine is fine. Plus, you probably have another six more months of the current line-up before we even get Ivy Bridge MBPs anyway given that MacBook Pros have an 8-10 month refresh cycle and it was last refreshed in late October. Again, stuff to think about.

I can't say which course of action is better; personally, with my own impending move from a complex set-up involving more computers than anyone really needs to just a beefy PC tower for gaming, and a decent Mac laptop for the rest of my digital (non-PDA/Smartphone/iPad) life, the 13" lacks way too much in the GPU department, and due to the nature of how small that machine is and how they do not have room to provide any kind of decent mobile GPU with discrete VRAM. So, I'm considering a higher-end 15" MacBook Pro for myself. But given that you are in the market for a 13" MacBook Pro, and given your intended uses for it, I don't think you can go wrong at this time no matter what you end up picking. Best of luck!
 
Ivy Bridge will be a big bump and certainly an Ivy Bridge MacBook Pro will be a much more substantial bump from the current rev than the current Sandy Bridge rev was from the Early 2011 Sandy Bridge rev. It won't be as big of a bump as the Early 2011 rev was over the Mid 2010 rev, but it'll be faster, certainly. The Intel HD 4000 that'll come in tow with Ivy Bridge will be better than both the Intel HD 3000 and the NVIDIA GeForce 320M IGPs in all respects (from what I've heard about it); it'll still be an IGP, itself, and it'll still be an Intel one at that (which means it'll lag behind other contemporary IGPs and certainly discrete VRAM GPUs), but it'll be a better IGP than has ever been shipped in an Intel Mac (whether we're talking NVIDIA or Intel). That being said, most people on here assume that there'll be an exterior refresh. Personally, I disagree, but I am excited about USB 3 integration (given that Thunderbolt will never supplant USB, and that USB 3 support is inevitable on all machines at this point). So, take your pick. If you buy a current model, you won't hate it. They're fantastic machines. Personally, I'm going to wait until the next refresh so I have the choice between a new model or (if I hate what they do to the next refresh) a current one at a discounted price.

If you're just looking at a 13" and you're just looking at Java programming, the buy now vs. buy then argument gets interesting as there are all sorts of theories on the future of the 13" MacBook Pro, especially in light of the 13" MacBook Air's growing popularity and given Apple's seeming push toward ultra-portables. If you believe that the 13" MacBook Pro is endangered, I say buy now as a 13" Air won't grant you as much flexibility on how much RAM you can stuff in it (let alone HD/SSD upgrades down the road). If you don't believe that it is endangered, then I'd say that waiting couldn't hurt, given that another theory on the table is that the 13" MacBook Pro will be able to take a Quad-Core Ivy Bridge CPU due to breakthroughs in thermal output (or rather lack thereof).

If that doesn't matter to you, the current machine is fine. Plus, you probably have another six more months of the current line-up before we even get Ivy Bridge MBPs anyway given that MacBook Pros have an 8-10 month refresh cycle and it was last refreshed in late October. Again, stuff to think about.

I can't say which course of action is better; personally, with my own impending move from a complex set-up involving more computers than anyone really needs to just a beefy PC tower for gaming, and a decent Mac laptop for the rest of my digital (non-PDA/Smartphone/iPad) life, the 13" lacks way too much in the GPU department, and due to the nature of how small that machine is and how they do not have room to provide any kind of decent mobile GPU with discrete VRAM. So, I'm considering a higher-end 15" MacBook Pro for myself. But given that you are in the market for a 13" MacBook Pro, and given your intended uses for it, I don't think you can go wrong at this time no matter what you end up picking. Best of luck!

Yebubbleman, you have made many strong points, I do prefer the macbook over air due to the reason you stated above and being able to upgrade RAM/SSD, USB 3.0 support for me is ok but not a strong point to make me wait for it.

The Quad CPU is too much for what i'm doing and i'm not sure about mac but in PC there aren't that many applications/games that take advantage of that many cores. The only thing that I hate see coming is a complete redesign then I would be really sad!

I will be anxiously awaiting the January CES to learn more about ivy bridge and the Intel HD 4000.
Thank you very much for your time and details provided.
 
Yebubbleman, you have made many strong points, I do prefer the macbook over air due to the reason you stated above and being able to upgrade RAM/SSD, USB 3.0 support for me is ok but not a strong point to make me wait for it.

The Quad CPU is too much for what i'm doing and i'm not sure about mac but in PC there aren't that many applications/games that take advantage of that many cores. The only thing that I hate see coming is a complete redesign then I would be really sad!

I will be anxiously awaiting the January CES to learn more about ivy bridge and the Intel HD 4000.
Thank you very much for your time and details provided.

No one on here wants to admit it, but the phrase "complete redesign" really only refers to changes that are either cosmetic or have to do with how the machine is serviced (and very few people on here are the type to even get that nitty gritty with their own machines, anyway). People want this because they're bored with what we have now and want something new and "exciting" to rumor about and clamour over. No one on here wants to admit this either, but there's nothing wrong with the current design; the only thing they could improve would be serviceability (which is presently about as good as you can get) and durability (which is presently about as good as you can get). And I guarantee you that at some point in your ownership of whatever Mac you get (whether it's from this rev or the next, whether there's a redesign next rev or not), you will see a complete redesign of the line.

If you don't care about a Quad-Core CPU, and if you don't care about graphics performance, and the 13" MacBook Pro is your prospective Mac of choice, then it's silly to wait at this point in the refresh cycle. There will always be something new, but right now we're at the point in the refresh cycle where any issues with the Late 2011 generation have already been worked out and there's still a majority of the cycle yet to pass before we see the next refresh. More time with your Mac before that happens is free money as the same 13" MacBook Pro will cost the same one day before its discontinuation as it would five or six months before and as soon as any given machine model is replaced, it starts down the 4-6 year journey of slowly becoming obsolete.

Ivy Bridge is an evolution, not a revolution (at least, not in the way that Sandy Bridge was over Arrandale), bringing with it USB 3 support, the Intel HD 4000 (which if you don't care much about graphics, won't matter as, unless you are either a gamer or a video editor, or do a lot of things requiring the use of OpenCL, the HD 3000 will serve you just as fine).
 
Isn't that bottleneck in the cable and not the port?
You only have so many lanes to pull from on Intel's mainstream platform. You are already looking at a switch (x16 to x8/x8) for current Intel machines with a discrete GPU. PCI-Express 3.0 is going to provide double the bandwidth.

On the other hand, the motivation for a faster standard is very low.
 
17 W in my 2011 13" Air still sends the fans blazing from time to time.

I kind of miss the 10W processor in my 2010 11" Air. It never made noise.

I agree with this. I *HATE* laptop noise and heat. For me, thermal management is #1 priority.
 
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