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optical heart rate monitoring is not new.

It has been around, in WATCH form, since the 80's.

http://watches.gafortiby.com/watch/Casio_JP_100W_509_Pulsecheck_sensor_watch/

Not to mention electrical monitoring of blood pressure in watch form.

http://watches.gafortiby.com/watch/Casio_BP_100_900_Blood_Pressure_Monitor_watch/

PWTT, by itself, can only tell you the relative changes in blood pressure, not an absolute number. Therefore, you have to input some basic data into the watch before using any of its blood pressure features. After you input your normal resting blood pressure, you're good to go. You can also input your post-exercise BP to use the more advanced functions.

I suppose that's one way to do it.

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One benefit I can envision for this, is when I'm walking somewhere and listening to Pandora and I start to like a song that I haven't heard before and I want to know the name of it or who sings it, It would be nice to be able to find out by glancing at my wrist instead of having to pull my phone out of my pocket, turn it on, look at the info on the screen, then turn it back off and put it back in my pocket. That starts to get old at about the third unknown song...

I can empathize with this but mostly I wish I could vote for songs while walking. I usually end up waiting until I get there to vote for anything I've listened to or to see artist info. If it wasn't for song previews I'd probably never remember what was what.
 
I haven't heard anyone ask the question if the iWatch is going to be one design, or will it be 5, 10, 20 unique designs so that it would allow people to buy the ones that they like, maybe even collect iWatchs like some collect regular watches.

If they are going to only have one design then the simpler the design the better. I wear my fitbit all the time, whether I am with my clients or at the gym, and that's because it is a very simple device. The more complex the device the more likely people will view it as being gaudy.
 
Exactly, the more the 'rumours and analysts' say the more over advanced it seems in medical monitoring. I would predict the majority of these rumours are bogus BS to be honest, when was the last time anyone went to a normal gym and saw a running machine where you strapped a breathing apparatus to your head? So your breathing and oxygen can be monitored, like the ones for professional athletes or astronauts or in specialist hospitals?

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "breathing" (quality? depth?) or "specialist hospital", but taking O2 sats with blood pressure and heart rate is fairly routine, even in many small clinics.

That being said, if I see more as-of-yet unproved medical technology ending up in iWatch rumors (see blood glucose monitoring) I swear my eyes are going to roll out of my head.
 
I haven't heard anyone ask the question if the iWatch is going to be one design, or will it be 5, 10, 20 unique designs so that it would allow people to buy the ones that they like, maybe even collect iWatchs like some collect regular watches.

If they are going to only have one design then the simpler the design the better. I wear my fitbit all the time, whether I am with my clients or at the gym, and that's because it is a very simple device. The more complex the device the more likely people will view it as being gaudy.

Whatever it is, it will likely be simple. We know that, based on Apple's history, devices have gotten simpler (as far as external hardware design) over time and that they prefer it this way. We also know that Apple has no intention to release a Casio-style watch with a built-in calculator and lots of physical buttons because Apple just doesn't release those sorts of things.

They may have a few colors, but I doubt it will have as much as 20 unique designs. Most likely they have the intention to tweak the iPod Nano into a "wear on the wrist" role, with added functions and seamless BT integration with other iDevices for certain roles (e.g., changing songs).
 
Whatever it is, it will likely be simple. We know that, based on Apple's history, devices have gotten simpler (as far as external hardware design) over time and that they prefer it this way. We also know that Apple has no intention to release a Casio-style watch with a built-in calculator and lots of physical buttons because Apple just doesn't release those sorts of things.

They may have a few colors, but I doubt it will have as much as 20 unique designs. Most likely they have the intention to tweak the iPod Nano into a "wear on the wrist" role, with added functions and seamless BT integration with other iDevices for certain roles (e.g., changing songs).

I'm really excited about this product, and I'll be extremely disappointed if it turns out to be as gaudy as the Samsung Galaxy watch...
 
I'm really excited about this product, and I'll be extremely disappointed if it turns out to be as gaudy as the Samsung Galaxy watch...

I have no doubt that it will look as nice as any other apple product. If you dig their aesthetic then you will probably be happy. No matter how nice it looks, everyone will still be walking around with the same watch.
 
It's Apple's fault that I stopped wearing a watch some years back, because it was just as easy to glance at my iPhone. Now they want to change my mind again!

I'm more comfortable without a watch, so they'll have to make a strong case for me to switch habits again. Here's an idea for them: I'd like my iWatch to continuously measure and display my IQ. That way if I start watching a sitcom I'll notice the value dropping (can I have an alarm too?) and I can get off the sofa before it's too late!

I stopped when I got a cell phone in 1998. Why did you wait for an iphone?
 
I'm really excited about this product, and I'll be extremely disappointed if it turns out to be as gaudy as the Samsung Galaxy watch...

I have no doubt that it will look as nice as any other apple product. If you dig their aesthetic then you will probably be happy. No matter how nice it looks, everyone will still be walking around with the same watch.

I still find to hard to believe that watches will be a thing again.

Not that I doubt Apple's ability to manage to do that, but I so rarely see watches anymore....
 
I still find to hard to believe that watches will be a thing again.

Not that I doubt Apple's ability to manage to do that, but I so rarely see watches anymore....
Analysts and rumors forums are the ones that can up with the iWatch moniker. I think it will likely be called something else because watch is a limiting word. This is a wearable computing device. I am super interested to see the design and how it's marketed. Remember, none of us knew we wanted an iPhone or iPad till the curtain was pulled back and we knew the existed.

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As much as phones are in the hand any more.. Not hardly

One is typically in your pocket when not being used and one is strapped to your arm as a wearable device for everyone to see.
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I do think we are limiting our opinions and expectations of the functionality and value of this device because the name iWatch and our preconceived notion of what a watch should be. I am curious what they will call it because I am of the opinion that iWatch is likely not the name.
 
Oh come on. If you were involved you know that's not why IBG meters have not yet hit the market.

The first company certified to manufacture ran out of money and went bankrupt before they could bring their very complex and expensive product to market. They were purchased by another German company who promise a late 2014 product for select markets - but very expensive, so still not ready for the mass market.

These technologies take time - especially when we have a tried and true method in place today.

Get it wrong, patients die, companies get sued and destroyed.

It's not a conspiracy...

Actually, no, not what happened (and I never stated it was a "conspiracy", it's business, money, plain and simple)

Numerous companies were testing such systems, non-invasive. Medtronic, a prime supplier of insulin pumps, bought a few companies/patents in such a system with the notion they would further the studies with a final product in the near future.

Having used a pump (mostly for wireless BG monitoring as I swim and sweat a great deal when lifting, I've been diabetic since 12, now 37, my A1C's average 5.5-5.8), I still need to test throughout the day to monitor the pumps accuracy. Needless to say it's within the pumps range -/+ 5-10. During early testing in Rochester, NY at the URMC where one such study was occurring back in the late 90's, the units we used (as we were told later) had an accuracy level of -/+ 5-10 compared to OneTouch/etc.

I just lost of my father on January 16th at 70, a type 1 diabetic since 6. He lost his legs in 2002, and was sent home in hospice care as his pumping function in his heart was 14%. He surprised his doctors, including surgeon Peter McKnight, and came back. Sadly, even under good care, his hands turned to bone, suffered phantom pains for over a decade. His left eye was removed due to infection last September, and his right was going. He fell out of his wheelchair and broke his hip due to low bone density from 12+ years being confined to a wheelchair. He came back from rehab, but he was never the same. Two days after returning from my mothers sisters funeral, he suffered a severe heart attack and died a few days later at Strong Memorial. I've taken excellent care of myself, learned what not to do, was pre-med until studying Industrial Organizational Psychology at Columbia, and follow advancements in many area's, not just diabetes, and participate as much as I can in advancing the cause for a cure and better treatment(s).

Furthermore, if a company developed a device that measured at least as accurately a finger sticks meters, was non-invasive, and without side effects, and got approval from the FDA, they would stand to gain billions more in revenue than what they were getting from test strip sales. There are at least dozens of companies all making basically the same test strips, don't you think that they would have a vested interest in making much of their competition utterly obsolete overnight?

Certainly, however OneTouch and Bayer (Contour) currently dominate the market in sales (why do you think so many doctors have "free" meters? they lock the patients into test strip sales, which is why the meters are free or dirt cheap and pushed heavily through pharm reps). Pharm companies makes millions if not billions off diabetic supplies - insulin, syringes, test strips, meters, pumps, then medications that no matter how well you take care of yourself juvenile diabetics face complications such as glaucoma, diabetic neuropathy (Lyrica, gamma neuronotin), depression (a common issue type 1 diabetics may face as recent studies have shown, even in healthy juvenile diabetics, long term plaque on the brain results which - in much more severe frequency - is a common cause for alzheimer's), loss of eyesight, ulcers, heart conditions. A box of 50 BG test strips from OneTouch Ultra test strips retails $49.99 (if you Google, the prices listed are after discount if you qualify). I test ~20 times a day, even with my Medtronic pump. Even if expensive meters come around, insurance companies have to approve of them for coverage such as they do for insulin pumps. I'm certain most won't at first, and if they do, that much more money lost on the sales of test strips needed for traditional/current invasive meters. Expensive non-invasive meters wouldn't make up for the long term loss invested in test strip sales, they'd be shooting themselves in the foot.

Am I stating it's a conspiracy? No, of course not! It's business. It's money. They're in the business of making money. Just like oil and gas, if people don't need your product long term, that's billions of profits gone. I cannot tell you how dismayed I was at learning through friends who work in R&D for such companies as Lilly, Merck, J&J as researchers, project managers - the frustrations they face in petitioning boards for funds in various research proposals.

We have phones, devices that fit in the palm of your hand, that once took up a desk not more than a decade ago yet we can't develop a non-invasive BG meter? We have a 64-bit device that's more powerful than the i386 systems in the 90's, 20 years ago, 10 years ago even. You're kidding yourself if you truly believe the excuses leveled.
 
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don't worry fellas

2 weeks after launch, I'm releasing an iWatch jailbreak that'll let us use the oxygen sensor to calibrate our marijuana grow houses

puff puff pass
 
Ya know what wouldn't surprise me? If this thing has nothing to do with notifications. Like, there isn't even a screen on it. It's just a metallic band in different colors loaded with sensors. Crap tons of sensors for movement and body stuff. Whatever kind of sensor there it, it will be in the iWatch. It will be called the iWatch because it watches your body.
 
If it becomes possible for an iWatch type of device to monitor and record critical health (and exercise) related parameters I can see a large hidden market (that nobody yet imagines) related to health care insurance.

If someone wearing an iWatch could prove to their their health care provider that they are indeed exercising and improving health indicators (resting heart rate, for example), this could be a big advantage. Imagine the sales Apple could have if they alone could sell something that people could expect to pay for itself by discounts that your health care provider may pay out based on the users improved healthy condition.

I wonder if they ever thought of iWatch from that particular perspective. It all depends on what can be monitored. I'm sure they've got some things nailed down that nobody else considered possible.
 
I haven't heard anyone ask the question if the iWatch is going to be one design, or will it be 5, 10, 20 unique designs so that it would allow people to buy the ones that they like, maybe even collect iWatchs like some collect regular watches.

If they are going to only have one design then the simpler the design the better. I wear my fitbit all the time, whether I am with my clients or at the gym, and that's because it is a very simple device. The more complex the device the more likely people will view it as being gaudy.

And every time I see or think about Samsung's Galaxy Gear, I laugh.
 
Not in the US though.

Well, also in the US when looking at OS marketshare. Apple is loosing ground in the context of world marketshare worldwide to be more precise even. That's quite obvious since other brands are making good smartphones as well, even more, some smartphones are considered to be even better then the current latest iPhone. If you add up the prize tag, which is considerable lower in almost any case compared to Apple products it's quite obvious that consumers will consider to buy other products. I don't blame them.

In Europe things go even faster, but this has also to do with the prizes of Apple products, especially when looking at these rating difference. The dollar is very cheap compared to the Euro. That leads, unfortunately, to prize "compensation" as far you can argue about the question: what should be compensated in the first place? But that's an other discussion...

For example, in the States I could buy an Apple pro for $2,999.00, inclusive taxes, for the lowest model, but in Holland the lowest model cost € 3.049,00 including taxes, that's a staggering $4.175,- While in America it would cost me about: €2.190,-....some difference to put it mildly..

That alone might be worth a trip to New York :)
 
Monitoring oxygen levels isn't that critical when it comes to fitness for healthy people. There haven't been any concrete studies correlating O2sat to exercise performance. Sure, it's very important when monitoring for illness but when you're jogging on the treadmill it won't mean anything.

I think we'll see a watch very similar to the Mio that monitors HR and activity through accelerometers and GPS. Nothing more.
 
Question is, are you all wrong here?

Does Apple really want to go down the medical lawsuit route with a mass market product?

Is Apple going to take legal responsibility for the readings, ok or not, from a consumer advice.

Well the watch said my readings were prefect ok, or well the watch said things were wrong when they were fine.

This is a heck of a minefield
 
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