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iWork -- Toy or Tool?

right now, the whole iWork suite looks like a toy to me. anyone agree? I still prefer Microsoft Office, in terms of usability and looks (maybe it's just what I'm used to?).

I want to love iWork, I hope the '07 version convinces me enough to buy it!

I use iWork as an Office replacement (and have been for about one year). When the feature you want is in iWork, it works *much* better than in Office. The biggest issue is missing features.

For a corporate environment, the biggest issue I have is the lack of change tracking/compare document. Everything else is sweet. I really like the ability to add tables in Pages with equations. If I could cross-reference a value from one table to another within Pages, I don't think I'd need Excel.

If Apple could knock off those two items, I will be very happy next week.
 
Yeah, it sure enough doesn't look like an Excel killer... not sure I like that icon either.

It's not supposed to be an excel killer. It's a consumer suite for God's sake. It's designed for families, not business. Personally, I think the crowd who looks to iWork to unseat Office a) hates anything non-Apple and B) is completely ignorant of offices high end capabilities and importance in a professional environment. Believe me, those college reports just scratch the surface of what Word can do. Those could be done as effectively with works on the PC side.
 
But what are the improvements to Pages? It's not obvious it is worth to upgrade.
 
Mac Office #1

I still have four Mac Plus disks called Plan, Chart, Word and File (names are self explanatory I think). A set if applications that under contract from and on behalf of Apple, Microsoft developed. All Steve Jobs' concept, the set making up an 'Office Suite'. Ironic that till then Microsoft's (if memory serves me correctly - please feel free to jump in) best effort was a knock of of Gary Kildall's, of Digital Research Inc's, CP/M aka DOS that Gates bought for $50K (and not from Digital Research Inc. either!) and then foisted on IBM.

After creating these applications for the Mac, Microsoft had their first real applications and the rest is history. I only wish Apple had simply made them in house and secured all copy-writes and patents as best they could. All due reverence to Visicorps, I also have a copy if Visicalc somewhere, the first spreadsheet I saw on a micro.

Not to mention the suite of apps for the Lisa. Personally I have long wondered why Apple let the Office Suite concept be stolen so easily when they had such a demonstrable lead in this field over Microsoft and great product names ... like Word for example!:confused:
 
iWork to me is fundamentally flawed.

Pages is based on keynote, as is Lasso (or so it looks like). Keynote is not the most logical program I have ever seen. I like it, I like what effects it can produce and the presentations look great, but the whole "inspector" thing just seems really clunky to me...

I wish Pages was a decent alternative to MS Word as opposed to MS Publisher...
 
That icon is so ugly, not Apple style at all.

Also, it seems odd that this new app would retain the old style aqua toolbar, surely pages and keynote will be updated to use a unified toolbar for iLife 07?
 
I don't like Pages either, but that's because it tries to do what I use InDesign and Word for. Pages does have it's target market though, as I have learned from how many newsletters etc I see that completely design-illiterate people are making in Pages, and they actually look ok. I think that's more what they're aiming at, and if so they seem to have hit in my opinion.
As I said, it doesn nothing for me though.
 
Excel will probably not have to worry about this, but perhaps the suite of products is not meant to be 'professional' grade. Maybe, this suite is just to deliver the minimal things that a user needs to get things done and not run business from. For the price - it would be consumer grade tools - so it is unfair to compare to the likes of excel.
 
I don't know why you don't, but i do like it ... yes, it looks simply, but Pages and Keynote look simply too
 
If this is true (skeptical) then perhaps this is one more small step to be MS free is 07? If this offers true functionality than I am all for it.
 
Excel will probably not have to worry about this, but perhaps the suite of products is not meant to be 'professional' grade. Maybe, this suite is just to deliver the minimal things that a user needs to get things done and not run business from. For the price - it would be consumer grade tools - so it is unfair to compare to the likes of excel.
Long may Apple not go after the business market.
 
That's because they know MS will stop making Office for Mac after this next version.

Most possibly...
If you look at one of the events last year (MWSF or WWDC), Roz Ho said that they had signed a contract with Apple for developing/supporting Office for Mac for the next five years, which would mean until 2011.
 
right now, the whole iWork suite looks like a toy to me. anyone agree? I still prefer Microsoft Office, in terms of usability and looks (maybe it's just what I'm used to?).

Do you ever work with image-intensive documents? Pages is incomparably better than Word in that respect. Its behavior is much more rational (though still not perfectly rational), and my productivity with it is much higher.
 
Yea, I looked at that picture and I wasn't impressed...I doubt I'll upgrade to the new version unless there's something amazing in it...
 
There's a complex dynamic here

I think there's a very complex dynamic going on here.

MS Office is the de-facto standard, and nothing is going to displace it in the corporate environment in the foreseeable future. However, Office is also a train-wreck from a software POV, partly due to it's age and Microsoft's laudable policy of not breaking backwards compatibility while adding increased complexity.

Everyone talks about how feature-encrusted Office is, and how they'd like a leaner, simpler system that just did what was necessary, but what's necessary is different for every user.

I think what Apple is trying to do with iWork is provide software that superficially looks like it is serving the non-corporate, non-pro users who don't need, and don't want to pay for MSOffice (with the exception of Keynote, which not only competes directly with PowerPoint, it makes PowerPoint look like utter crap). But iWork is also filling a bigger and more important role.

Apple knows that Microsoft's MacBU is going to get the chop. Office 2007 will be the last version of Office for OS X, and it's crippleware to start with (without VB support, it's a complete non-starter for many corporate clients). Microsoft will be telling their Mac-using clients to buy the Windows version and run it under Parallels.

So Apple needs to be able to provide an alternative to Office, without appearing to have driven MS from the platform by competing with their cash-cow.

What I expect to see is iWork continuing to develop modestly, filling the role of office applications for those who don't need the complete feature-set of MS Office (again, with the exception of Keynote, which I see as the flagship app of the suite) until MS announces the end of MacOffice development. At that point, I expect a major iWork upgrade, bringing the apps to near feature-parity with their MSOffice counterparts, and, most importantly, with 100% file sharing capability (which will be possible as MSOffice has been forced to use open standards for their file formats by the EU).

There will still be many shops that rely on VB automation that will be unable to use anything but MSOffice, and Apple simply won't compete in that market. However, iWork will be a viable option everywhere else, and I expect to see some significant improvements in the automation of iWork now that OS X development is starting to slow down.

The bottom line is that for the past couple of decades, Microsoft has had a knife to Apple's throat in the form of Office. Killing Office for Mac would effectively killed Apple. Now that Apple has got it's feet back under it, developing an alternative to MSOffice has to be a high priority as a counter to that long-feared move on Microsoft's part.

What I'd love to see is a version of iWork that people would be eager to use instead of Office available *before* MS kills Office development, but I don't think that's likely to happen.

Cheers
 
Excel will probably not have to worry about this, but perhaps the suite of products is not meant to be 'professional' grade. Maybe, this suite is just to deliver the minimal things that a user needs to get things done and not run business from. For the price - it would be consumer grade tools - so it is unfair to compare to the likes of excel.

Agreed - I think iWorks is really aimed at home users who like to do the odd newsletter, monthly budgets etc. After all, the suite is considerably cheaper than MS Office (excluding edu dicounts etc).
 
What an ugly icon! I doubt that's what it would actually look like.

I hope they don't include anything like years in the real icon though - I hate that the iCal icon has that default date in the icon when the app isn't running.
 
BTW, am I the only one who needs a word processor that will allow a user to simply click on any point on the page and type text freely, without having to worry about anchored objects, text boxes, etc.?

I need a word processor that will mimic the behavior of good old pen and paper for Christ's sake!


(Note: Neither Word nor Pages are even close to achieving this simplicity and intuitiveness)
 
@bryanc

I hope you are true and like you hope it comes out sooner rather than later.
 
Looks so.....basic.

I would hope so. Excel is positively scary looking.

I like the screenshot, it looks like they're aiming for the Lotus Improv view of making spreadsheets more freeform and less based upon numbered rows and columns.

This could be a winner.
 
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