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If it's true that MS plans to kill Office after 2011 (any evidence on this ? links ?) then Apple better have a 100% compatible Office suite with exactly the same features as MS Office.
Everybody requires you to have MS Office. Studens, small businesses and even a lot of home users will dump macs in droves when there is no MS Office option.

Parallels and boot camp are NOT viable options.
 
Well, Goodbye MS Office?

If this is true and a spreadsheet app is coming next week, does this mean it will open all the same files that excel would? Pages opens .doc and Keynote opens .pps(or whatever the extension is) so "Lasso" should open .xls right? f so what is keeing me from getting rid of MS Office? Anyone? Anyone?
 
If this is true and a spreadsheet app is coming next week, does this mean it will open all the same files that excel would? Pages opens .doc and Keynote opens .pps(or whatever the extension is) so "Lasso" should open .xls right? f so what is keeing me from getting rid of MS Office? Anyone? Anyone?

have to wait to see. and I highly doubt it, especially the excel files with diagrams and plots.
 
Humorous

Everyone,

Opinions are like noses and we all have one but come on. In regards to the anticipated iWork 7 release I think there are so many comments that are drawing conclusions from one screen shot of iWork 07 spreadsheet.

I think Apple has made things simplier by removing so many itimidating icons in their approach to productivity software. In contrast, yes, I am referring to Excel. I use it and will not stop using it until I find another alternative but I have swithced over to Pages from MS word becuase it feels less clutterd, snappier and easier to me. I understand why there are so comments on iWork (Sheets?) 07 but do not let our conditioned pavlov like response from many years of using excel draw to many conclusions. Let's see what apple has to offer next week.
 
Everyone,

Opinions are like noses and we all have one but come on. In regards to the anticipated iWork 7 release I think there are so many comments that are drawing conclusions from one screen shot of iWork 07 spreadsheet.

I think Apple has made things simplier by removing so many itimidating icons in their approach to productivity software. In contrast, yes, I am referring to Excel. I use it and will not stop using it until I find another alternative but I have swithced over to Pages from MS word becuase it feels less clutterd, snappier and easier to me. I understand why there are so comments on iWork (Sheets?) 07 but do not let our conditioned pavlov like response from many years of using excel draw to many conclusions. Let's see what apple has to offer next week.

its just that excel is obviously more functional than all other office suites i can think of in this market now, and its hard to think apple can do better than other suites.

about how it looks and feel, it might be important for some ppl who use them for personal environment, but if u gonna use it across the platform or to submit file to any professional publications. iWork just can do it.
 
Yeah, it sure enough doesn't look like an Excel killer... not sure I like that icon either.

None of the iWork apps are supposed to be MSOffice "killers". Pages, for instance, can't do half of what Word can, and neither can Keynote (although it does what it does very well, and one could say it does it much better than PowerPoint).

iWork is more of a consumer-level suite in my mind, but very well done. It doesn't have all the bells and whistles that Office has, but many folks won't need them. However, on the other hand, many of us will need them (for instance, I'm sure Lasso won't have any kind of Pivot Table functionality, which is something that myself and other corporate users use daily. Thats just one example).
 
I feel that Excel is the strongest of the MS Office apps, so it will be interesting to see how this new iWork app turns out. On one hand, it would need to be pretty powerful and slick to make me want to give up Excel - then again, I am a bit of a power-user of Excel. On the other hand, Apple is all about simplicity, and perhaps they will be targeting "light" users who will find the basic features and ease-of-use more appealing and less intimidating than Excel. I guess we'll have to see...
 
I hope that screenshot is fake, just because I absolutely DETEST pinstripes... and it's unlikely Apple will stick with that most distracting and unpleasant of UI features for such an important app.

I certainly do hope iWork will be "one of the more significant product launches of the year", simply because that kind of language warrants a Word-killer, and a Word-killer is perhaps the single best bet Apple has toward increasing market share outside of "halo effects".
 
Everyone,

Opinions are like noses and we all have one but come on. In regards to the anticipated iWork 7 release I think there are so many comments that are drawing conclusions from one screen shot of iWork 07 spreadsheet.

Not to be nitpicky, but isn't this the point of MacRumors? I am personally glad we are discussing iWork and the speculation surrounding it. We should be concerned with the future of iWork if/when MS does stop making Office for Mac.
 
If it's true that MS plans to kill Office after 2011 (any evidence on this ? links ?) then Apple better have a 100% compatible Office suite with exactly the same features as MS Office.
Everybody requires you to have MS Office. Studens, small businesses and even a lot of home users will dump macs in droves when there is no MS Office option.

Parallels and boot camp are NOT viable options.

We don't know if MS plans to kill Office for Mac after 2011, that's just when their contract with Apple ends, it could always be renewed (but who knows). If you want to see Roz Ho saying that their contract with Apple has been extended for an extra five years, go to http://www.apple.com/quicktime/guide/appleevents/ and watch MWSF 2006 or WWDC 2006 (I watched both a few days ago, and forgot which one she spoke at).
 
Regarding Office for Mac itself, I see one more update to the suite from MS and that's it, but I could be wrong (I know people have mentioned the 2011 date, but I have my doubts...)

Regardless, Apple will need to address this issue so I think that adding this spreadsheet app is a good idea regardless. As iWork matures and Office for Mac goes away, hopefully there won't be any significant gaps from a user persepctive. Perhaps Pages and this spreadsheet app will not be Word and Excel killers respectively initially, however either they might morph into them over time, or simply carve out their niche as "different" and gradually people will adopt them as different and presumably more appealing ways to do their work. Perhaps it will even be a bit of a paradigm shift (although this is admittedly very optimistic and unrealistic! ;) :D)
 
I feel that Excel is the strongest of the MS Office apps, so it will be interesting to see how this new iWork app turns out. On one hand, it would need to be pretty powerful and slick to make me want to give up Excel - then again, I am a bit of a power-user of Excel. On the other hand, Apple is all about simplicity, and perhaps they will be targeting "light" users who will find the basic features and ease-of-use more appealing and less intimidating than Excel. I guess we'll have to see...
Agree with you about Excel.

Apple, or anybody else for that matter, tries to compete they will need a completely compatible version with Excel.

Sometimes I wonder if an upstart could surpass Microsoft, Apple and others in an office suite. For example, could some new energetic company make an office suite:

- with word processing, spreadsheet and presentation applications that could run on Windows, Mac, and Linux platforms.

- that would be 100% compatible across these platforms.

It would be nice to see!
 
I'm pretty sure it will happen. Messenger for Mac is crappy and they have discontinued Media Player and Explorer. Office is the last and final step and in order for people to want a Mac, there needs to be an alternative. I've been using iWork since it came out and it seems to be working fine. I love Keynote much better than PowerPoint. They are using this time between now and when Office is discontinued to polish it up.

Contrary to Messenger, Media Player and Explorer Microsoft is supposedly earning money with Office. Also for many purposes there is not really a competing software available yet for MS Office on the Mac. But things might also be changing here. Keynote might already be comparable or even better than Powerpoint. For the other iWork applications it remains to be seen how good and what their focus will be. Right now pages is more of a simple layout program than a true text processor. But Apple might also add another program for word processing. And we don't know yet, what the spread sheet application in iWork will be like. Aside from iWork there might also be other software available in the future like the Mac port of Openoffice for example.

Microsoft will probably still sell Office for the next couple of years (didn't the make a statement at last years Macworld about supporting the Mac for the next 5 years? But this might mean releasing one more version and not releasing the version after that any more, which might be due in about 4 years.). After this time a very good alternative needs to be available or it might really hurt Apples market share.
 
If this is true (skeptical) then perhaps this is one more small step to be MS free is 07? If this offers true functionality than I am all for it.

If it's existence isn't true, Apple has dropped a ball of epic proportions. It'll also mean they've dropped more traditional computer users in favor of completely catering towards the creative crowd.
 
Microsoft will probably still sell Office for the next couple of years (didn't the make a statement at last years Macworld about supporting the Mac for the next 5 years? But this might mean releasing one more version and not releasing the version after that any more, which might be due in about 4 years.). After this time a very good alternative needs to be available or it might really hurt Apples market share.
I believe that as long as MSFT Office for the Mac is profitable for Microsoft, they will continue to make it. I don't see this happening any time soon since so many depend on office to have compatibility.
 
I believe that as long as MSFT Office for the Mac is profitable for Microsoft, they will continue to make it. I don't see this happening any time soon since so many depend on office to have compatibility.

That's what I think too. If they would kill Office when it is profitable, then only to kill or hurt the Mac platform. I don't think that's in their interest.
 
It's a hedge

its just that excel is obviously more functional than all other office suites i can think of in this market now, and its hard to think apple can do better than other suites.

I think the key is that Apple can't do better than the other suites "overnight". MS Office was developed over 15 years with lots and lots of intensive effort and resources.

In my view, iWork has always been a long-term hedge. Apple hopes that MS will continue to develop Office for the Mac, because the world basically runs on Office. But Apple needs to have a solid foundation and active development effort in this area to protect against a future possibility where MS stops making Mac Office, or worse, makes it functionality incompatible with Windows Office.

So long as the Mac market is growing, MS should continue to make more money on Mac Office, so it's unlikely that they would pull the plug on a profitable product with a growing user base. This bodes well for the "status quo", where Office for Mac and Windows are basically compatible, with the Mac version a bit behind on the latest features.

However, if Microsoft should ever feel threatened by the Mac platform, they know that they can largely shut Apple out of the business market by stopping or altering Mac Office development. This is why Apple needs a hedge for that scenario.

Another scenario is that Microsoft would curtail the functionality of the Mac version to make it slightly incompatible or crippled. Essentially, a poison-pill to hurt the Mac's compatibility reputation at a critical time when they're gaining traction in the business market. This might be done under the guise of using open standards-based file formats or some type of "imperfect translation".

More likely, Microsoft will keep the price of Mac Office higher than the Windows version (through bulk licensing, bundling oem, etc.) and use that pricing disparity to shift the business "Total Desktop Cost" in favor of Windows.

Finally, there's the scenario where MS keeps making more money on Mac Office, keeps making it better, lowers the price to increase sales volume and everybody wins.
 
Yuck! It looks very UGLY and featureless. Oh, and can't Apple come up with a better name than iWork? I've always thought that is the dumbest name and I hope they change it soon.
 
I have never understood why Apple discontinued any upgrading of Appleworks/Clarisworks and I've never seen any one give any explanation for why Apple ceased upgrading Appleworks and is letting it "die on the vine". Anyone have any explanation for Apple's behavior?:confused:

It's complicated. There's some history here:

http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bob/clarisworks.php

There is some stuff I'm not allowed to talk about, and no doubt a lot I don't know as well. But one additional point is that there were rumors of a backroom deal between Steve and Bill to keep ClarisWorks/AppleWorks from becoming more competition for Office.

Bob Hearn
ClarisWorks coauthor
 
Yuck! It looks very UGLY and featureless. Oh, and can't Apple come up with a better name than iWork? I've always thought that is the dumbest name and I hope they change it soon.

iWork may always be the "consumer" name for it. There is a Pro version for all the iLife apps (except iWeb) so maybe iWork will get a "Pro" version eventually. I don't know how Keynote could get more professional, I consider it already more professional than PowerPoint, but Pages could get more advanced and start competing with InDesign (or at least have the capability).

Or, I guess it could just stay iWork, but that would sound rather silly in the corporate world.
 
iWork may always be the "consumer" name for it. There is a Pro version for all the iLife apps (except iWeb) so maybe iWork will get a "Pro" version eventually. I don't know how Keynote could get more professional, I consider it already more professional than PowerPoint, but Pages could get more advanced and start competing with InDesign (or at least have the capability).

Or, I guess it could just stay iWork, but that would sound rather silly in the corporate world.

I don't forsee "ProWork" unless Word gets dropped.

It's complicated. There's some history here:

http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bob/clarisworks.php

There is some stuff I'm not allowed to talk about, and no doubt a lot I don't know as well. But one additional point is that there were rumors of a backroom deal between Steve and Bill to keep ClarisWorks/AppleWorks from becoming more competition for Office.

Bob Hearn
ClarisWorks coauthor

I have no doubt the Claris team could have built a true professional office competitor if they were given the opportunity.
 
iWork compared to office? lol

iWork is like fisher price toys of productivity.

Microsoft office crumbles everything related to iWork.

I know people hate microsoft but man their office suite is
1 bad ass software.

Sometimes apple feels like they belong in the 2-10 year category
i love simplicity but man comapring apple and microsoft
is so diffrent i dont see how this rivalry carried for so long.
 
I think there's a very complex dynamic going on here.

MS Office is the de-facto standard, and nothing is going to displace it in the corporate environment in the foreseeable future. However, Office is also a train-wreck from a software POV, partly due to it's age and Microsoft's laudable policy of not breaking backwards compatibility while adding increased complexity.

Everyone talks about how feature-encrusted Office is, and how they'd like a leaner, simpler system that just did what was necessary, but what's necessary is different for every user.

I think what Apple is trying to do with iWork is provide software that superficially looks like it is serving the non-corporate, non-pro users who don't need, and don't want to pay for MSOffice (with the exception of Keynote, which not only competes directly with PowerPoint, it makes PowerPoint look like utter crap). But iWork is also filling a bigger and more important role.

Apple knows that Microsoft's MacBU is going to get the chop. Office 2007 will be the last version of Office for OS X, and it's crippleware to start with (without VB support, it's a complete non-starter for many corporate clients). Microsoft will be telling their Mac-using clients to buy the Windows version and run it under Parallels.

So Apple needs to be able to provide an alternative to Office, without appearing to have driven MS from the platform by competing with their cash-cow.

What I expect to see is iWork continuing to develop modestly, filling the role of office applications for those who don't need the complete feature-set of MS Office (again, with the exception of Keynote, which I see as the flagship app of the suite) until MS announces the end of MacOffice development. At that point, I expect a major iWork upgrade, bringing the apps to near feature-parity with their MSOffice counterparts, and, most importantly, with 100% file sharing capability (which will be possible as MSOffice has been forced to use open standards for their file formats by the EU).

There will still be many shops that rely on VB automation that will be unable to use anything but MSOffice, and Apple simply won't compete in that market. However, iWork will be a viable option everywhere else, and I expect to see some significant improvements in the automation of iWork now that OS X development is starting to slow down.

The bottom line is that for the past couple of decades, Microsoft has had a knife to Apple's throat in the form of Office. Killing Office for Mac would effectively killed Apple. Now that Apple has got it's feet back under it, developing an alternative to MSOffice has to be a high priority as a counter to that long-feared move on Microsoft's part.

What I'd love to see is a version of iWork that people would be eager to use instead of Office available *before* MS kills Office development, but I don't think that's likely to happen.

Cheers

Nice post.

We might have a Chance on Apple offering feature parity if the compatibility is 100% guaranteed.

Besides that, I have yet to see any substancial evidence for MS pulling Office for the Mac. It makes them money, why would they?
 
iWork compared to office? lol

iWork is like fisher price toys of productivity.

Microsoft office crumbles everything related to iWork.

I know people hate microsoft but man their office suite is
1 bad ass software.

Sometimes apple feels like they belong in the 2-10 year category
i love simplicity but man comapring apple and microsoft
is so diffrent i dont see how this rivalry carried for so long.

For just every day stuff, iWork is just fine, and a lot cheaper (much cheaper with the student discount). Office is overloaded with features that the average user doesn't use. As a simpler, cheaper alternative for those who do not need an advanced word processor iWork is fine.
 
iWork compared to office? lol

iWork is like fisher price toys of productivity.

Microsoft office crumbles everything related to iWork.

I know people hate microsoft but man their office suite is
1 bad ass software.

Sometimes apple feels like they belong in the 2-10 year category
i love simplicity but man comapring apple and microsoft
is so diffrent i dont see how this rivalry carried for so long.


:rolleyes:

Excel is an awesome app, I agree. Word is decent and better than Pages. But Powerpoint better than Keynote? I don't think so. Access better than Filemaker? Nope.
So one app a lot better and one a little bit is crushing...?
 
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