iWork.com - a waste of time and money?

Discussion in 'Mac Apps and Mac App Store' started by neiltc13, Jan 6, 2009.

  1. neiltc13 macrumors 68040

    neiltc13

    Joined:
    May 27, 2006
    #1
    When the new iWork was announced with iWork.com, I was thinking that it was going to be a serious rival to Google Docs. Some websites were reporting it as so, but looking over the details on Apple.com, there is a pretty significant feature missing.

    That feature is the ability to edit documents! It seems that you can only publish documents to iWork.com to allow others to read them - it doesn't allow you to edit them in any way whatsoever unless you are using a computer with iWork installed.

    It seems like a waste of time to me. Why bother with such a feature when most people will simply use email to share documents?

    Have I got this wrong or is there something I'm missing here?
     
  2. Techguy172 macrumors 68000

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2007
    Location:
    Ontario Canada
    #2
    I think your right, but i think it is only used for what Phill demoed it. It's not overly advanced just meant for one person to be critiqued on. I really wish they did add editing as it would be much more useful.
     
  3. xraydoc macrumors demi-god

    xraydoc

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2005
    Location:
    192.168.1.1
  4. SnowLeopard2008 macrumors 604

    SnowLeopard2008

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2008
    Location:
    Silicon Valley
  5. jaw04005 macrumors 601

    jaw04005

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2003
    Location:
    AR
    #5
    I'm confused. I uploaded a file, and managed to download it again (via the e-mail I sent myself). Then, I opened the file in Pages. Now, how do I send the edited document back to iWork.com from Pages?

    By the way, the help is not helpful.

    "When you republish the same document, you can choose to overwrite the older version or to maintain multiple versions of the document on iWork.com.

    At the time you republish the document (through your Keynote, Pages, or Numbers application), a version number is automatically appended to the document’s name. This number is incremented by one each time you republish, allowing you to maintain multiple versions of the same document."

    There's no republish option for me. Just "Share via iWork.com...". I'm assuming they mean use that again?

    Oh yeah and the feedback page doesn't work either.

    http://www.apple.com/en/feedback/iworkcom.html

    I think this is more of an "alpha" than "beta." But I'll wait it out. And honestly, shouldn't this be free to MobileMe subscribers? Haven't they gouged us enough? Wow.
     
  6. .Andy macrumors 68030

    .Andy

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2004
    Location:
    The Mergui Archipelago
    #6
    According to the Ars review collaborators can (a) add sticky note comments via the iWork website, or (b) can download and open the document as a Pages/Word/pdf/Google doc where they can make the necessary changes and then reupload to iWork.com. Have to wait for some more reviews to see how the respective conversions are handled. But there isn't the ability to edit them online as per google docs. Perhaps in version 1.0.
     
  7. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

    IJ Reilly

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2002
    Location:
    Palookaville
    #7
    Since it's free at this point and no pricing has been announced, I'd say this is still a distinct possibility.
     
  8. Peace macrumors P6

    Peace

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2005
    Location:
    Space--The ONLY Frontier
    #8
    I've been using it since yesterday and I agree with the OP. It is useless unless you can edit it through a browser. And yes. I have sent feedback to Apple.
     
  9. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

    IJ Reilly

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2002
    Location:
    Palookaville
    #9
    To you perhaps, but I can see the value in making documents available for comment but not editing.
     
  10. Peace macrumors P6

    Peace

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2005
    Location:
    Space--The ONLY Frontier
    #10
    If you just want to make a comment that can be done via email for no cost.
     
  11. xUKHCx Administrator emeritus

    xUKHCx

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2006
    Location:
    The Kop
    #11
    I agree, I suppose this is mainly for those who work with people who have Windows machines and as such no iWork to view documents on.
     
  12. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

    IJ Reilly

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2002
    Location:
    Palookaville
    #12
    We already do it that way, but this method can be an awkward iterative process when a document is being reviewed by more than one person. So I can see the value of having a document available for public comment. That way multiple parties can add their comments and see the comments added by the others. Most of the time I do not want anyone else actually fiddling with our reports, so at this point the inability for it to be edited online isn't an issue for me.

    As for whether this service will be worth whatever Apple will charge, that remains to be seen, if only because we don't know how much they will charge.
     
  13. nick9191 macrumors 68040

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2008
    Location:
    Britain
    #13
    It's beta at the moment. I'm sure editing will be added at a later date. Apple learnt their lesson from MobileMe- add features slowly, release products in beta. Google have nearly all of their stuff in beta for about 2 years.
     
  14. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

    IJ Reilly

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2002
    Location:
    Palookaville
    #14
    Longer than that sometimes. Last I checked, gmail was still a "beta." I sure don't want to see Apple become as undisciplined as Google!
     
  15. hitekalex macrumors 68000

    hitekalex

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2008
    Location:
    Chicago, USA
    #15
    You're kidding right? "Beta" or not, Gmail (and most other Google online apps) is infinitely more robust and reliable than MobileMe or any other cloud service Apple has put out to date.

    Google has a different approach to releasing new features and maintaining their products. They add functions/features incrementally, rather than in large monolithic product releases (as in Apple disastorous release of MobileMe).

    Apple has lots and lots to learn before they begin to come close to Google in cloud apps usefullness and functionality.
     
  16. dalvin200 macrumors 68040

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2006
    Location:
    Nottingham, UK
    #16
  17. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

    IJ Reilly

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2002
    Location:
    Palookaville
    #17
    No, I'm not kidding. Gmail is still a beta, after years and years, with no changes that I can see. Google has apparently moved onto other things, and then more other things. In fact most of their products have the same unfinished look. Google Earth still has a terrible interface years after it first came out, and they keep changing the way Maps work, not to improve it, but just to change it. I've said it before and I'll say it again: Google needs to finish something before moving onto the next project. They're starting to look a lot like Microsoft with their "just good enough" attitude.
     
  18. hitekalex macrumors 68000

    hitekalex

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2008
    Location:
    Chicago, USA
    #18
    This second part of this statement tells me you either don't use Gmail, or haven't used it recently. They just introduced a whole slew of new and useful features right before holidays - check out http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/

    Like I said, Google philosophy to releasing apps is different from Apple or Microsoft.. and I think it's a sign of things to come for other companies. I understand some people may be offended by "beta" label, it doesn't bother me personally as long as their stuff remains as agile and useful as it has been.
     
  19. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

    IJ Reilly

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2002
    Location:
    Palookaville
    #19
    I'm not "offended" -- I am just observing the way Google operates and suggesting that it's not necessarily a good model for any company to follow. Google has tons of money which allows them to pursue too many projects at once without actually finishing any of them.

    FWIW, I access my gmail account with Apple Mail. I have pretty much given up on Google Earth because the UI is awful and doesn't seem to be slated for any improvements, and have grown frustrated with Google Maps because they change the UI regularly without actually making it any better.
     
  20. hitekalex macrumors 68000

    hitekalex

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2008
    Location:
    Chicago, USA
    #20
    Not to harp on this, but not sure what type of innovations you can expect from GMail when you use third-party mail client. Give web-based Gmail client a try, it's quite nice actually and you can do much more than via Apple Mail.

    I suspect we'll have to agree to disagree on Google Earth.. I only use it occasionally for entertainment purposes, but it's highly innovative and useful app. I even have an iPhone version, it's a cool conversation piece :D
     
  21. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

    IJ Reilly

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2002
    Location:
    Palookaville
    #21
    You are missing the point. Google still considers gmail to be in beta, years after it was released.

    As for Google Earth, I'm into usefulness. Conversation pieces belong on my living room coffee table.
     
  22. synth3tik macrumors 68040

    synth3tik

    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2006
    Location:
    Minneapolis, MN
    #22
    I would hope that Apple would be in the mind set to continually improve iwork.com and after a few updates could over take google docs. Google doc after all are not without their own issues. It would be nice to see Apple acknowledge them and work them out of iwork.com
     
  23. hitekalex macrumors 68000

    hitekalex

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2008
    Location:
    Chicago, USA
    #23
    No, I think you're the one who's missing the point. I don't care if Google calls their cloud apps "alpha", "beta", or "version 10" as long as they're useful, stable and functional. This is more than most of us can say about Apple's "release" of MobileMe.
     
  24. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

    IJ Reilly

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2002
    Location:
    Palookaville
    #24
    Apparently they don't think gmail will ever be done. Like it or not, that says something about the culture of the company, especially when they've left other products similarly undone. Trust me, Apple has taken a big thumping for botching the rollout of MobileMe. They admitted as much themselves. But please, don't try to make sound like this is something Apple does time and again, because I think we all know that they don't. In fact this was the exception that proves the rule.
     
  25. danny_w macrumors 601

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2005
    Location:
    Austin, TX
    #25
    IJ, you are absolutely right about Google applications continuously being in beta and unfinished. I don't think they ever finish anything before moving onto the next project, and the sloppiness of the apps shows it. I use gmail but hate it and will probably move on to something else; I only tried it because the MobileMe rollout was so bad (but as you said Apple has acknowledged this), and yes I have tried using the web app and find it frustrating (but still better than MM). What I don't like about Google is that all of their apps appear unfinished and give no thought to cohesiveness; it is quite obvious that the different development groups never talk to each other or learn from each other's mistakes.
     

Share This Page