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iWork for iOS and Mac Updated, Keynote Gains New Transitions
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How about the ability to SET YOUR OWN PAGE MARGINS! Wow. What an omission. We have rain forests dying by the second and I'm printing pages with 1" useless margins I can't change.
Somebody pressed the "dumb-ified" button at Apple. (Again). You get what you pay for I guess.
Numbers 3 is the best reason to use Excel.
How about the ability to SET YOUR OWN PAGE MARGINS! Wow. What an omission. We have rain forests dying by the second and I'm printing pages with 1" useless margins I can't change.
Somebody pressed the "dumb-ified" button at Apple. (Again). You get what you pay for I guess.
Numbers 3 is the best reason to use Excel.
What are you talking about? It's there in the Setup button.
That's a screenshot from pages. Let's get this straight. Linking text boxes are the main omission from Pages as far as I can tell, and it's a big one. Other users will probably show that there are more.
Numbers, however, is tightly screwed from a vs Numbers '09 viewpoint. There is a great deal of functionality missing there. It's not a problem to you if you don't know they're gone as that would imply that you never used them anyway.
But for everyday users, often referred to as 'power users', this missing functionality is a deal breaker.
Not in a "I can work around it, but I just want to moan about it on a forum" sense - In a "I have to use a different application to get my work done because these problems are very real" kind of way.
I already made my sound contribution, the one to which you replied as if you knew everything about the subject, which you obviously didn't. Just because I'd rather not argue with someone that is arrogant doesn't mean I don't have anything sound. Now good day to you and don't reply to me again.
That would have been a deal killer all by itself for me, but you are quite right -- there's more. Much more. But probably the worst thing of all about the new Pages is that it just plain shreds documents created in the old Pages. I tried opening two and the formatting for both was obliterated, altered beyond recognition. It would have taken hours to clean them up, even assuming it was possible. Now imagine this happening with every one of hundreds of documents created over seven years. This issue may not be a function of deleted features, but very possibly results from Apple's change in the file format. This could mean that it may never be safe to open old Pages documents with the new version. Terrible. Just jaw-dropingly bad.
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So your "sound contribution" was to tell everyone who had horrifying experiences with the new apps that they really didn't?
There would be no need to reply, if what you say here were true. But it's not. You only went so far as to regurgitate a standard Apple (or any other tech company) marketing dismissal of explaining away a problem with the time honoured phrase "from the ground up", as in "we don't know what went wrong with this release, but we'll tell you it was intentional and part of the process when you're building [software/hardware/menswear etc] from the ground up".
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Listen pal, I can't help it if you can't admit that you don't have an argument here, but I'm sure not going to sit here worrying about whether I'm offending someone who hasn't got the foggiest idea of how to take part in a healthy and heated discourse about whatever the heck people argue about on these forums. And what's with the Dickensian "Now good day to you" stuff?!!
Suggest: Go back to the software, see if you can indeed work with it - if you can, then that's just lovely, but people who actually need the software to perform want some answers. I can pretty much guarantee that most, if not all of those users are extremely locked into Apple software and hardware, and have no interest in slating Apple for the sake of it. And for what it's worth, this is nowhere near the silly "I don't like iOS, or Mavericks, or icons" BS that Apple haters bang on about.
This is about Apple screwing up their software in very real and tangible (as in very clear to see for anyone) ways, plain and simple. Getting sucked in to the idea that it's just Apple, be nice to them, they're great, doesn't cut it. That was your argument, you got caught out, and now you're upset.
I don't care.
You think I'm arrogant? How arrogant is it to release software to a professional market, call it pro, declare it the best yet, and in the process actually lose people's work, damage people's files and formatting, and then just say "uh, well, we'll fix it later"?
And how ignorant is it to just sit there and say "thanks Apple, you're so great"?
And before those guys come back and say You can use '09, don't bother. The conversion by that time has already damaged or wiped files. For many this means rebuilding projects. For me, this means lost time.
But hey, I can collaborate, right? Collaborate what?
My argument isn't due to a false sense of entitlement. The loyalty you so blindly defend is all about trust, and that loyalty is the ultimate in collaboration, between me and the 'eco system' that I choose to rely on.
Apple broke that particular collaboration and I'm not in the mood for rolling over and liking it, but you go ahead...
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What's real funny are the articles I read saying that Apple will be giving MS Office a run for its money now that iWork is free.
LOL!
The few people at my office who actually dabble in iWork are reeling from the changes. Don't get me wrong... I feel my coworkers are mostly idiots and simpletons so the "dumbed down" changes seem to be written specifically for them. It's just that even less people in the enterprise market will ever use these apps now. This version of iWork is embarrassing.
Ironically, this may be at least partially true. People will latch onto free, and most users don't come anywhere close to taking advantage of Word's features anyhow. If Apple had done what they should have done 6-7 years ago, and bundled iWork with every new Mac, then this conversation would be very different today.
What's real funny are the articles I read saying that Apple will be giving MS Office a run for its money now that iWork is free.
LOL!
The few people at my office who actually dabble in iWork are reeling from the changes. Don't get me wrong... I feel my coworkers are mostly idiots and simpletons so the "dumbed down" changes seem to be written specifically for them. It's just that even less people in the enterprise market will ever use these apps now. This version of iWork is embarrassing.
Yeah sure, it's now all free, but in terms of usability it's definitely decreased by quite a lot. They transformed something that was fantastic at writing and creating documents, essays, dissertations, ... into something else.
Bit confused by how you find yourself being more productive. You mentioned how it's a compete rewrite, which increased compatibility with the iOS devices, a valid point, but in no way have you explained how it allowed you to become more productive (it should be complete contrary to that as you mentioned, 'features left out' should make you less productive. It's akin to piloting an aircraft which had half of its dials removed (replaced with an empty surface, as the company had a deadline to get the aeroplane up and running). Sure, it'll fly, but in terms of the ability to pilot the aircraft? It's become harder to do so, as you have to compensate for half of the lost controls.)
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Completely unusable. What a waste of time.
All I wish now is that Microsoft releases an Office for Mac which is on par with Office 2013 for Windows. After this release, I found out that Apple will never, not even in a million years, release a version of iWork with a similar set of features.
Too disappointed at Apple here...
Too disappointed at Apple here...
How am I more productive?, well with the new iWork everything I do is the same on my MacBook, iPad and iPhone. My documents are no longer changed because the of the inconsistencies between the OSX and iOS versions. The only differences now have to deal with font choices since not all the fonts on my Mac are available on my iOS devices. But that would also be an issue even if I was to use Windows products. That's an easy issue to fix, all I have to do is use the same don't families on both operating systems (iOS and OSX). I no longer have to fix my documents because of the changes the incompatibilities made while updating a document in iOS back to Mac or vice versa. All documents are now the same, which in turn saves me time and increases productivity.
I don't have screens that are cluttered with stuff as in numbers the left hand pane showing a list of pages and charts, tables etc is not there. To me that was useless clutter. The screen shows my document and any tools I need based on what I am working on. This in turn saves time and increases productivity.
As for the missing functions or features. They must have been stuff I never used, because I am able to do everything I need to do using the three iWork programs in their current state. I don't need an app that is bloated down with a bunch of obscure features that only 10% or less of the population will use. On top of that the apps load quicker, and are a bit snappier, maybe it's because they are not bloated and weighed down like Excel or the previous versions. Because of the app loading quicker and seems to be quicker in it's responses, I am again saving time and being more productive. In addition I am finding it easier to use functions and features because now they are easier to find.
What people don't seem to be getting is that the apps were re-written from the ground up in 64 Bit in a completely different set of code. Before these apps were released people were bitching that Apple hadn't updated iWork in years. Now that they have updated it, in 64 bit, which is laying the groundwork for the future, they are complaining because their precious obscure feature is temporarily missing. You can't build a skyscraper by plopping it down in place and opening the doors saying come on in, you have to build it floor by floor and room by room. Apple has now laid the foundation for iWork that is 100% compatible between MacOS, iOS and WebOS. Now that the foundation is there additional floors (features) can be added. It will take time but in the end it will be worth it.
How does MS Office compare to it's Windows counterpart, it doesn't. There are missing features in the Mac version, no one complains about that though. How does Office on iOS compare to the Windows or even MacOS version, oh wait Office hasn't been released on iOS yet. They have that little app on the iPhone, but not iPad that with a subscription you can access your files and maybe, if your careful update them. Now that is productive.
So yes, I am more productive using the new version of iWork. If I can get more work done in a period of time then that means I am more productive.
What you should really be asking is how Office for Mac compares to iWork. It doesn't matter how it compares to Office for Windows if you're using OS X. :|
My post was response to point out that I am now more productive using the newer versions of iWork. The person I was responding to with that post didn't believe anyone could be productive with iWork at all because it didn't match up to Excel. My point comparing Office:Mac and Office :windows was to point out that even though iWork is missing obscure features from their previous version, the coveted Office is also missing features when compared to Office:windows.
I was also trying to point out the fact that with iWork now, documents sync seamlessly on the various devices, let me point them out again since nobody reads anymore - iPad, iPhone, Web, and MacOS. Microsoft Office (Windows or Mac) on the other hand does not do that all.
I have both Office:Mac and iWork on my Mac and I use iWork a lot more since the update. Whatever it is I need to do Excel/Numbers, Word/Pages, PowerPoint/Keynote I have been able to do in either application without a problem. It's just a lot easier in the newer version of the iWork apps. Maybe I just don't have the need for the obscure features that were left out of the latest update.
It's still irrelevant. Compare systems on OS X to each other and you might just find that Excel is still better. Or not. But whether or not it the Office on OSX is worse than the one on Windows means nothing when choosing what you'll use on OS X. I can sync my Word documents on my iPad, Android device, Mac OS, Web. Seriously, I don't know what you're doing that's not letting you do this.
It does matter to me.
iWork doesn't have the features I need, so it's nearly useless for my kind of use.
Microsoft Office for Windows is way better than the Mac version, and the Mac version has not yet received the update comparable to Office 2013 for Windows.
I have a Mac, but I also have Windows under both BootCamp and Parallels, and the main reason for that is that I use Microsoft Office for Windows, because it is way superior to any office suite available for Mac.
I don't want to compare offices suite for Mac because they are all sub-par. I don't know why I should count Office for Windows out of this, since it is the top office suite available, regardless of the OS I use.
I want my Mac to have a better office suite than a Windows laptop which costs half or a third of the price of my Mac, since an office suite is the piece of software I (and perhaps half of the world) most use. But the crappy plastic Windows laptop that sells for US$ 499 has a better office suite than any office suite available for my US$ 2,199 Mac. That's the bottom line.
I don't think there's an answer for that. Apple is the one that should provide an answer.