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Jaguar

I don't get what you're all whining about.

OS X has been $130.00 from day 1. There is only one version: The full retail boxed CD set. The variation in price reflects a need to:

1. Take care of those who have purchased a machine after expo with the old OS.

2. Get it out to students cheap.

3. Pay the expenses of re-developping an OS.

There are a lot of things you whiney fools are ignoring in what has happened with Jaguar.

You can keep your .Mac e-mail for free if you kill your iDisk. Go look. No fraud or hook involved. Assuming Apple would keep iDisk free once personal file sharing and iChat were off the ground is not only naiive but arrogant.

How exactly did folks start thinking a full *.1 upgrade would be free?? in many respects this was worthy of being a X.5 upgrade. I think it'll make it easier if you think in terms of X being more of a prefix designating BSD mac OS, at which point each change so far has been a COMPLETE REV.

Apple has fixed EVERY COMPLAINT I HAD ABOUT OS X in this release..... If you still have some things that you have VERIFIED won't work, by all means contact Apple but please find out first because most of these complaints are quite baseless.
 
Re: anticompetitive?

Originally posted by gelbin
actually, it is fairly straightforward to argue that what apple has done with itools IS indeed anti-competitive. they did what is called a 'lock-in'. By suggesting (and i am not claiming they did, but i have heard it enough to think itis possible) that people would have lifetime email @mac.com and then allowing people to become somewhat entrenched or, in the term of art, locked in, and then raising the price, they are able to price at non-market levels.
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READ THEIR WEBSITE!!!!!! You can keep your mac.com email address for free if you kill iDisk or if you subscribe to .mac.

You jump the gun morons are really getting friggin' annoying. Go buy a PC if you think its that bad,
 
Re: I don't get what you're all whining about.

Originally posted by mischief
OS X has been $130.00 from day 1. There is only one version: The full retail boxed CD set.
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Point Blank...that's it...

I think I should redirect this thread to my "U guys bitch too much" free-for-all...

it's not like they are asking u to pay twice...if u already own OS X...then u have to pay a little to uprade...so what?

Just because I pay $500 for Photoshop 6.0...does that mean Adobe should give me a full blown version of 7.0?! :rolleyes:
 
Re: Re: I don't get what you're all whining about.

Originally posted by eyelikeart


Point Blank...that's it...

I think I should redirect this thread to my "U guys bitch too much" free-for-all...

it's not like they are asking u to pay twice...if u already own OS X...then u have to pay a little to uprade...so what?

Just because I pay $500 for Photoshop 6.0...does that mean Adobe should give me a full blown version of 7.0?! :rolleyes:
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You know, I hear apple is turning from a for-profit company to a charitable/philantrhopic organization. Then they'll be giving away one free iMac or iBook (a g4 iBook, no less) with each purchase of Quicktime Pro. Buy OSX.2 and you get a free G5 when it comes out!
 
Re: yes okay

Originally posted by Paolo
Now while america may be full of scamming swine
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There is absolutely NO ROOM on these forums for people that make over-simplified slanderous generalizations. Apple is a busuness, if you want free ****, hire your own army of inventive, completely ingenious programmers and make your own software.

But don't slam an entire population with your uneducated venomous jargon. You should be banned. :mad: In aussie terms "P!ss off".
 
Re: Re: yes okay

Originally posted by iH8Quark


There is absolutely NO ROOM on these forums for people that make over-simplified slanderous generalizations. Apple is a busuness, if you want free ****, hire your own army of inventive, completely ingenious programmers and make your own software.

But don't slam an entire population with your uneducated venomous jargon. You should be banned. :mad: In aussie terms "P!ss off".
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THANK YOU! FINALLY SOMEONE TALKING SENSE!!!!!!
 
moron am i.

mr. mox.

based on the 5000+ people that signed the petition, either
1) we were all morons and wrong
2) apple was terribly unclear
3) both 1 and 2
4) apple has since changed their policy.


but thanks for lumping me in with the morons.

i am oh so humbled.
 
Re: moron am i.

Originally posted by gelbin
mr. mox.

based on the 5000+ people that signed the petition, either
1) we were all morons and wrong
2) apple was terribly unclear
3) both 1 and 2
4) apple has since changed their policy.


but thanks for lumping me in with the morons.

i am oh so humbled.
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I'd say option3 with a heavy emphasis on the former. You are a moron who refuses to check his facts as are all 5K or so who signed that petition without even trying to find out what's actually going on. Though I will say that it sucked that Apple's website initially dead-ended the switchover page.

Enjoy that Presario! Bumbass.:p
 
Re: Re: moron am i.

Originally posted by mischief
Though I will say that it sucked that Apple's website initially dead-ended the switchover page.
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There still isn't a page to switch your account to email only, is there? I don't see it yet. I could just not be seeing it, though. :rolleyes:
 
mike breeden and crew

good that xlr8yourmac is full of morons as well then..

Apple's .MAC Feedback Page -
Several readers sent a link to Apple's .MAC feedback page at http://www.apple.com/feedback/mac/gtm.html and http://www.apple.com/feedback/mac.html (both seem to be the same form) asking that I post the link for mac.com users to let Apple know how they feel about the pricing changes and the lack of an email-only mac.com option. (For those of us that don't need/want to pay for disk space and features we don't need or use.)
 
Re: Re: anticompetitive?

Originally posted by Moxiemike
READ THEIR WEBSITE!!!!!! You can keep your mac.com email address for free if you kill iDisk or if you subscribe to .mac.
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And i keep hearing people say this, but I sure haven't seen it anywhere.

jeez...am I blind?:rolleyes:
 
Re: Re: Re: anticompetitive?

Originally posted by iH8Quark


And i keep hearing people say this, but I sure haven't seen it anywhere.

jeez...am I blind?:rolleyes:
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quark, go to mac.com click on help and thene mail, scroll down to the part about converting your trial account to email only. This will go live when the trials end (75 days)

Converting your .Mac trial account to an email-only account

IMPORTANT: If you choose to convert your trial account to an email-only account, all your data files on Apple's servers (except for email messages) will be removed. Other .Mac services, such as iDisk, HomePage, Backup, and Virex, are not accessible to email-only accounts.

To convert your trial account to email-only, go to www.mac.com. Click Account in the .Mac menu bar, then click the Email Account Management button. Enter the member name and password of the trial account you'd like to convert, then click Convert.

Print your account information for future reference, then click Continue.
 
Originally posted by iH8Quark


Can't exactly blame them, though. That info isn't exactly posted in neon lights.
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I;m a perfectionist. I dug around before jumping. Believe me, I want my free mac.com account so I can get emails from hunnies on nerve.com, you know? ;)

I was enraged too, when I thought "Christ, will i have to set up another email now????:"
 
Some people seem to wonder why we're annoyed...

When I bought OSX I knew it was a work in progress, but I wanted to support the cause and prepare myself for the new OS. It cost me about £100 to do this.

In the box there are 3 upgrade tokens... taking into account that the software was a work in progress (even 10.1 runs like a dog on my 500Mhz 320mb iBook) is it not reasonable to expect that us early adopters who have supported Apple should be able to obtain at least 3 updates for a nominal charge?

At the moment I have parted with the original £100 plus £14 for an update. That's £114 for a system that although looking nifty offers little in the way of functionallity over and above the classic system.

I'm told that 10.2 might make my iBook usable... I've waited a year for that!!

I mean the 10.1 update came with upgrade tokens... what was the point of that?
 
You know something... It strikes me that we got the 10.1 upgrade not as a service to us but because Apple realised that 10.0 had no developer support and Microsoft had invested heavily in Office V.x - which incidently only ships on 10.1 or later...

It strikes me that at the time they knew noone would develop for 10.0 and that we would be stuck with a system that we'd paid for but had no software if they didn't give us the upgrade.

Now we've gone with them they've 'paved the way...', they don't care less!!!
 
So we are all morons?

Apple offers there computers at a higher price to the rest of the market for there hardware and closely integrated software... right, so I assume that when I dish out my 4kAUS to apple for a computer that I'm not going to be ripped off when they make a bug fix and pack it with a bunch of programs that I already had so they could put a large cost on it! Junk mail filters... woo ***** hoo. A new IM Wow now that's thinking different. iTunes 3 with smart playlists.... yeah well they release this after we've had a year or two to order our iitunes play lists.
All in all apple has just hyped the market into buying macs and then ripped it off... Apple is a truely american company... who knows, maybe tomorrow we'll find out that apple infact doesn't have billions in the bank and infact is liquidated!!! (in the true american way!)

(Sorry for my over simplified statements about americans... but they are slightly better than the over simplified insults of Moxie "your all morons" I mean wow, the sheer intellect of that statement just blew me away... just a question to Moxiemike Did you get your friends round to help you come up with that one?)
 
moxie is the ass i guess

it appears, according to macnn, that apple has reiterated 'no free email only .mac accounts'

so who is the assneck now....
 
I just purchased Jaguar. Heh, $129 isn't that bad. Yes, I am a student, and yes, I paid for both 10.0 and 10.1.

I'm buying it because I don't want to buy a new tower or iMac pre-loaded with 10.2, and I'd rather improve the speed of my 400MHz iMac DV for a mere $129. Yeah, I say "mere" because it might save me $2000--the cost of the 17" iMac (that's the only Mac I'd buy right now)
 
It's amazing how quickly everyone turned from screaming for the 10.2 update to screaming for new PowerMacs...

Jaguar will make your current machine feel like a new one. I'm very happy with it...and I haven't even seen it on a machine that supports QuartzGL yet!:eek:

The email thing is a huge mistake on Apple's part, and Phil Schiller has even said that they expect to lose about 90% of their current users.:rolleyes:
 
90%

I'm just pissed off with the fact that iTools is built into mac osx and I can't use those menus anymore etc because there going to cost and everything... I was just getting used to it.
 
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