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Re: It doesn't make sense
Microsoft would have called it Mac OS 2002, or something that made it seem like a whole new version. If you look at the feature differences between 10.1.5 and 10.2, I don't know if anything since Win 3.1 to Win 95 has been such a big difference. Not to mention that most of Windows releases:
Are slower than the previous release on the same hardware
Are more cosmetic than functional
Should really be beta releases due to the number of bugs in them.
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On monday, I am going to switch to the latest developer release as my primary OS for work. I think that they should allow a cheaper upgrade price if you have purchased the previous version within the past year.
QUESTION: I have AppleCare, does that give any discount on the upgrade price? If it doesn't it should. Even a 20% discount would be appreciated.
All the new revenue streams that apple is exploiting have a double edge. They are difficult for us to swallow, but they do improve Apple's financials. I don't currently own any apple stock, but if I did, I would be glad that they are making sure they can continue to innovate, by insuring that they are recouping the development costs.
Microsoft would have called it Mac OS 2002, or something that made it seem like a whole new version. If you look at the feature differences between 10.1.5 and 10.2, I don't know if anything since Win 3.1 to Win 95 has been such a big difference. Not to mention that most of Windows releases:
Are slower than the previous release on the same hardware
Are more cosmetic than functional
Should really be beta releases due to the number of bugs in them.
--
On monday, I am going to switch to the latest developer release as my primary OS for work. I think that they should allow a cheaper upgrade price if you have purchased the previous version within the past year.
QUESTION: I have AppleCare, does that give any discount on the upgrade price? If it doesn't it should. Even a 20% discount would be appreciated.
All the new revenue streams that apple is exploiting have a double edge. They are difficult for us to swallow, but they do improve Apple's financials. I don't currently own any apple stock, but if I did, I would be glad that they are making sure they can continue to innovate, by insuring that they are recouping the development costs.
Re: It doesn't make sense
I probably should have commented on this with my previous post but...
There is a large market for people who do not need a modem on their computer. I certainally don't need it. The only reason I would use is to test the access servers where I work (I am a network engineer). I have DSL and wireless at home, and wireless and ethernet at work. Schools (a target market here) have no need for a modem whatsoever. I understand that there are people who rely on a modem, and unfortunately this might not be the machine for you. An alternative would be to purchase an Airport. It would be a better long term investment than an external modem. You could plug your eMac into the ethernet port, and connect the modem to the airport. Even if you didn't have wireless now, chances are you might in the future. It is a solid investment, particularly if apple does the smart the smart thing and allows a simple card swap for 802.11g
I probably should have commented on this with my previous post but...
There is a large market for people who do not need a modem on their computer. I certainally don't need it. The only reason I would use is to test the access servers where I work (I am a network engineer). I have DSL and wireless at home, and wireless and ethernet at work. Schools (a target market here) have no need for a modem whatsoever. I understand that there are people who rely on a modem, and unfortunately this might not be the machine for you. An alternative would be to purchase an Airport. It would be a better long term investment than an external modem. You could plug your eMac into the ethernet port, and connect the modem to the airport. Even if you didn't have wireless now, chances are you might in the future. It is a solid investment, particularly if apple does the smart the smart thing and allows a simple card swap for 802.11g
Airport for an emac
Okay that is probably the most useless idea I've ever heard... I mean having an airport soley for your desktop computer is just dumb...It's not as iff I need to use my desktop computer everywhere in my house, I just need it on my desktop.... why wouldn't i purchase an internal modem for the eMac???
(of course back to my original argument, why doesn't the emac just come with it!!!
Okay that is probably the most useless idea I've ever heard... I mean having an airport soley for your desktop computer is just dumb...It's not as iff I need to use my desktop computer everywhere in my house, I just need it on my desktop.... why wouldn't i purchase an internal modem for the eMac???
(of course back to my original argument, why doesn't the emac just come with it!!!
Re: Airport for an emac
What part of English don't you understand. The eMac that does not have a modem is for LAN networks!!! I repeat the eMac that does not come with a modem is for LAN's. Paolo you are really making things more difficult than they have to be.
What part of English don't you understand. The eMac that does not have a modem is for LAN networks!!! I repeat the eMac that does not come with a modem is for LAN's. Paolo you are really making things more difficult than they have to be.
for lan networks
OOOOHHHH, of course I forgot that apple made computers for specific networks.... silly me, I mean what a stupid thing to think that maybe apple computers arn't meant to be for anything... it's for the user to choose.
So they should at least have a cheaper model with a modem!!!!
I suppose the iPod is ONLY for listening to music, and the powerbook can ONLY be used as a portable, no way you could use it in a desktop configuration... because it just wasn't MEANT to do that!
YEAH RIGHT!!!!
the emac is not meant for anything... it's aimed at education... and that's it!!!
You know the whole company moto: Think different!... oh wait or was it Think LAN... It's one of those two
OOOOHHHH, of course I forgot that apple made computers for specific networks.... silly me, I mean what a stupid thing to think that maybe apple computers arn't meant to be for anything... it's for the user to choose.
So they should at least have a cheaper model with a modem!!!!
I suppose the iPod is ONLY for listening to music, and the powerbook can ONLY be used as a portable, no way you could use it in a desktop configuration... because it just wasn't MEANT to do that!
YEAH RIGHT!!!!
the emac is not meant for anything... it's aimed at education... and that's it!!!
You know the whole company moto: Think different!... oh wait or was it Think LAN... It's one of those two
Re: for lan networks
Assuming you know that the eMac was made specifically for the education market, and that technology classrooms are primarily on LANs, I would have to assume you are just being a pr1ck about all this.
I guess Aussies are just more interested in discord than discourse. Must be in the genes.
Assuming you know that the eMac was made specifically for the education market, and that technology classrooms are primarily on LANs, I would have to assume you are just being a pr1ck about all this.
I guess Aussies are just more interested in discord than discourse. Must be in the genes.
Re: Airport for an emac
Well, perhaps a more creative person could think of a reason to have an Airport card in a desktop machine...
For Example, a house with multiple computers. User with cable modem. Cable modem is in living room or den (Or a user with dsl coming into first floor office).
Homeowner also has computer in kids room, an eMac. The kids room is in the attic on the third floor. Homeowner does not want to run Cat5 up to the kids room. Homeowner buys Apple Airport. Attaches it to WAN device (cable or dsl modem). Connects a switch to LAN port. Connects his laser printer and G4 to the Switch. Airport card in eMac connects to Airport via wireless.
The only reason it is a useless idea to you, is because you are probably only thinking in terms of your limited needs. I still stand by my judgement that an Airport is a better investment than a usb modem. Even if it costs more, you get more in the end. You will be able to share either a dialup or broadband connection between multiple users. You will have some protection due to NAT. You will have Wireless, in case a friend comes over with his laptop and wants to play a lan game.
Well, perhaps a more creative person could think of a reason to have an Airport card in a desktop machine...
For Example, a house with multiple computers. User with cable modem. Cable modem is in living room or den (Or a user with dsl coming into first floor office).
Homeowner also has computer in kids room, an eMac. The kids room is in the attic on the third floor. Homeowner does not want to run Cat5 up to the kids room. Homeowner buys Apple Airport. Attaches it to WAN device (cable or dsl modem). Connects a switch to LAN port. Connects his laser printer and G4 to the Switch. Airport card in eMac connects to Airport via wireless.
The only reason it is a useless idea to you, is because you are probably only thinking in terms of your limited needs. I still stand by my judgement that an Airport is a better investment than a usb modem. Even if it costs more, you get more in the end. You will be able to share either a dialup or broadband connection between multiple users. You will have some protection due to NAT. You will have Wireless, in case a friend comes over with his laptop and wants to play a lan game.
Re: for lan networks
Okay, this is getting off topic, but if Apple is targetting the education market, a very aggressive market, It makes sense for the cheapest machine to have the bare minimum essentials. The bare minimum for an education mac would be ethernet, not a modem. A student in college, a student at home with parents with a broadband connection, these are the bare minimum market that apple seeks. They are a far larger market than those who want a modem and not ethernet. Not to mention the fact that the modem is probably a daughter card, and the ethernet is most likely on the motherboard
Okay, this is getting off topic, but if Apple is targetting the education market, a very aggressive market, It makes sense for the cheapest machine to have the bare minimum essentials. The bare minimum for an education mac would be ethernet, not a modem. A student in college, a student at home with parents with a broadband connection, these are the bare minimum market that apple seeks. They are a far larger market than those who want a modem and not ethernet. Not to mention the fact that the modem is probably a daughter card, and the ethernet is most likely on the motherboard
yeah... right
If you have a whole bunch of desktops... in a house in twnety different rooms and you want an airport for that then it seems a bit of a waste, as it's chipper to just get a modem/ethernet socket put into every room, that way making a stable network, that doesn't deviate on the reception of the airport... I'd like to see you set up an airport in that scenario and say you don't have toruble getting reception in some rooms... a hardline network is always going to be better unless your house is specifically design just for that reason.
Also why the hell would you have so many computers all over your house... put them in a few rooms or just one... I don't get why you would put them up in the attic, and it the Den, and the office...
I am creative but I'm a little more practical than you and your airyfairy ideas!
If you have a whole bunch of desktops... in a house in twnety different rooms and you want an airport for that then it seems a bit of a waste, as it's chipper to just get a modem/ethernet socket put into every room, that way making a stable network, that doesn't deviate on the reception of the airport... I'd like to see you set up an airport in that scenario and say you don't have toruble getting reception in some rooms... a hardline network is always going to be better unless your house is specifically design just for that reason.
Also why the hell would you have so many computers all over your house... put them in a few rooms or just one... I don't get why you would put them up in the attic, and it the Den, and the office...
I am creative but I'm a little more practical than you and your airyfairy ideas!
Sweet jesus ...i totally forgot what the topic of this thread was....o there it is...Jaguar.
When you said the bit in the beggining about "the sun shon out of Jobs arse" i totally spit my morning java all over my desk.
When you said the bit in the beggining about "the sun shon out of Jobs arse" i totally spit my morning java all over my desk.
Re: yeah... right
it is not "chipper" to put a modem in everyroom, you would need to have each on a separate phone line (ie different number) or only use one computer on the internet at a time. Plus dsl modems cost $100.
The going price for an Ethernet run is also $100. Sure you can do it yourself, if you own your house. If you want to fish cables through walls. It is a hell of alot easier to use 802.11
I agree Cat5 is great stuff. I will most likely put it my house. Hell, I might even run some multimode fiber to a few key places.
Why would you have a bunch of computers in the house?
Wife's computer
My computer
kids computer
my Laptop
Then printers, All machines need to be able to talk directly to the printer, because that is how I want it to be. I do not want my computer in the same room as my kids computer. The kids computer will be in the family room, so I can watch what they are doing. My desktop would be in my office. My wife's computer in her office. Of course I will want to be able to use my laptop wherever.
Enough of this offtopic banter, If you can't see the point, too bad.
it is not "chipper" to put a modem in everyroom, you would need to have each on a separate phone line (ie different number) or only use one computer on the internet at a time. Plus dsl modems cost $100.
The going price for an Ethernet run is also $100. Sure you can do it yourself, if you own your house. If you want to fish cables through walls. It is a hell of alot easier to use 802.11
I agree Cat5 is great stuff. I will most likely put it my house. Hell, I might even run some multimode fiber to a few key places.
Why would you have a bunch of computers in the house?
Wife's computer
My computer
kids computer
my Laptop
Then printers, All machines need to be able to talk directly to the printer, because that is how I want it to be. I do not want my computer in the same room as my kids computer. The kids computer will be in the family room, so I can watch what they are doing. My desktop would be in my office. My wife's computer in her office. Of course I will want to be able to use my laptop wherever.
Enough of this offtopic banter, If you can't see the point, too bad.
Re: Re: for lan networks
Now, that's a nice statement...
If you would be around, I would forget for a minute that I am a pacifist and beat the **** out of you until you start laughing!
I am not from Australia, but I hate ignorance like yours!
You should be really embarassed of a statement like that and it was way worse than the statement made before indirectly(!) about Americans...
I don't get people like you! When you are running out of arguments you have to become racistic? That's really poor!
I really feel sorry for you...
groovebuster
Now, that's a nice statement...
If you would be around, I would forget for a minute that I am a pacifist and beat the **** out of you until you start laughing!
I am not from Australia, but I hate ignorance like yours!
You should be really embarassed of a statement like that and it was way worse than the statement made before indirectly(!) about Americans...
I don't get people like you! When you are running out of arguments you have to become racistic? That's really poor!
I really feel sorry for you...
groovebuster
Re: Re: Re: for lan networks
And a "" would have made it OK, right?
Originally posted by groovebuster
Now, that's a nice statement...
If you would be around, I would forget for a minute that I am a pacifist and beat the **** out of you until you start laughing!
I am not from Australia, but I hate ignorance like yours!
You should be really embarassed of a statement like that and it was way worse than the statement made before indirectly(!) about Americans...
I don't get people like you! When you are running out of arguments you have to become racistic? That's really poor!
I really feel sorry for you...
groovebuster
And a "
" would have made it OK, right?
Re: Re: Re: Re: for lan networks
I knew that moral police would show up and start again about it!
Do you feel better now? Do you need it to make something moving in your panties? Holy ****!!!!
If you don't see the difference between a statement like that and what I've did you are also a candidate to feel sorry for! A personal insult (and I still don't see it as one) is something totally different than a racistic statement!
groovebuster
P.S.: Sometimes I think I am in a nuts house here...
Originally posted by Rower_CPU
And a "
I knew that moral police would show up and start again about it!
Do you feel better now? Do you need it to make something moving in your panties? Holy ****!!!!
If you don't see the difference between a statement like that and what I've did you are also a candidate to feel sorry for! A personal insult (and I still don't see it as one) is something totally different than a racistic statement!
groovebuster
P.S.: Sometimes I think I am in a nuts house here...
Re: Yes it does
but what is the rest of us who are not IT managers or whatever, just students gonna do with all that ****. iCal has really no use, iSync is only use if yu have an expensive ericsson phone or an iPod(already syncs, HAHAHA). Rendevous is useless to anyone that has only one computer. iChat is a copy of a million chat services out there. sherlock is a major ****ing ripoff of Watson(awesome product). Quartz extreme to me is useless, because I can't tell any ****ing difference. i have Jaguar, and the speed increase seems to be only dramatic on the older model machines. Where in all of this is software that many of us need? Quicktime 6 is a jip, it cant be used in FCP or DVDSP. I will not pay for something I have no use for. My machine is fast enough already, and I dont wanna shell out 70 bucks for something that has no use.
but what is the rest of us who are not IT managers or whatever, just students gonna do with all that ****. iCal has really no use, iSync is only use if yu have an expensive ericsson phone or an iPod(already syncs, HAHAHA). Rendevous is useless to anyone that has only one computer. iChat is a copy of a million chat services out there. sherlock is a major ****ing ripoff of Watson(awesome product). Quartz extreme to me is useless, because I can't tell any ****ing difference. i have Jaguar, and the speed increase seems to be only dramatic on the older model machines. Where in all of this is software that many of us need? Quicktime 6 is a jip, it cant be used in FCP or DVDSP. I will not pay for something I have no use for. My machine is fast enough already, and I dont wanna shell out 70 bucks for something that has no use.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: for lan networks
Here's a clarification for you:
racist
adj 1: based on racial intolerance; "racist remarks" 2: discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion [syn: antiblack, anti-Semitic, anti-Semite(a)] n : a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others [syn: racialist]
"Aussie" is not a race, it's a nationality.
PS. You're just now realizing that?
Here's a clarification for you:
racist
adj 1: based on racial intolerance; "racist remarks" 2: discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion [syn: antiblack, anti-Semitic, anti-Semite(a)] n : a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others [syn: racialist]
"Aussie" is not a race, it's a nationality.
PS. You're just now realizing that?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: for lan networks
Here's a clarfication for you:
Racial differences are represented by genetical differences. The genetical code of a race has some specific parts that is shared by all members of that race and makes the difference to another race. Those differences can be very obvious (skin-color), or slightly noticeable (e.g. different nose form).
Relating the behaviour to the genetical code and saying that this genetical sequence is typical for the australian population, therefore all australians behave like that, is racistic. Couldn't meet your definition better that you copied from a dictionary...
By the way... it says: "discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion..." So that means not only, right?
Don't try to be smarter than you are...
groovebuster
Originally posted by Rower_CPU
Here's a clarification for you:
racist
adj 1: based on racial intolerance; "racist remarks" 2: discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion [syn: antiblack, anti-Semitic, anti-Semite(a)] n : a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others [syn: racialist]
"Aussie" is not a race, it's a nationality.
PS. You're just now realizing that?
Here's a clarfication for you:
Racial differences are represented by genetical differences. The genetical code of a race has some specific parts that is shared by all members of that race and makes the difference to another race. Those differences can be very obvious (skin-color), or slightly noticeable (e.g. different nose form).
Relating the behaviour to the genetical code and saying that this genetical sequence is typical for the australian population, therefore all australians behave like that, is racistic. Couldn't meet your definition better that you copied from a dictionary...
By the way... it says: "discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion..." So that means not only, right?
Don't try to be smarter than you are...
groovebuster
Re: for lan networks
#1 You just dont get it. It is not for a specific network...its for A network...any network....
#2. Just get a usb modem and shut up about it or get an external modem and a serial to USA adapter and move on with life...
#1 You just dont get it. It is not for a specific network...its for A network...any network....
#2. Just get a usb modem and shut up about it or get an external modem and a serial to USA adapter and move on with life...
It's on!!!
Allright, groovy, let's dance!
Since you've degraded into personally attacking me (no this time to hide behind), it's time you learned a thing or two.
I have cut you some slack in the past since English is not your first language. That will no longer apply.
There are subtleties of this language that you fail to grasp, namely humor and sarcasm. You continuously misunderstand comments and go off on wild, moralistic tangents. You are the only "moral police" here, and you start swinging your club wildly whenever you feel like it.
The genetic differences between Americans and Australians are negligible...there is almost NO difference. We both mostly have European roots. And what's more, there is no indication that the Australian in question is even a native. He was commenting on the combative nature of the poster as it relates to his society, not his race.
Stop pretending your knowledge of English is infinite and admit that you have some shortcomings.
Allright, groovy, let's dance!
Since you've degraded into personally attacking me (no
this time to hide behind), it's time you learned a thing or two.I have cut you some slack in the past since English is not your first language. That will no longer apply.
There are subtleties of this language that you fail to grasp, namely humor and sarcasm. You continuously misunderstand comments and go off on wild, moralistic tangents. You are the only "moral police" here, and you start swinging your club wildly whenever you feel like it.
The genetic differences between Americans and Australians are negligible...there is almost NO difference. We both mostly have European roots. And what's more, there is no indication that the Australian in question is even a native. He was commenting on the combative nature of the poster as it relates to his society, not his race.
Stop pretending your knowledge of English is infinite and admit that you have some shortcomings.
Re: Re: for lan networks
Even Paolo was a bit sarcastic in his comment, it is more you guys who don't get it...
He said already before that he was talking about the discount prices for education and that the education model costs 50$ less than a consumer model, with the difference that the consumer model comes with a modem and the education model doesn't. Therefore he doesn't have any advantage by buying the education model, since he has to buy a modem and ends up at the same price as for the consumer model.
That's all he was b*tching about. Considering that he's a student without a lot of money I can understand him. If students are supposed to buy the eMac as well there is no reason not to offer a version with a modem still being cheaper than the consumer model.
The school buys for the lab (of course), a student for home use!
groovebuster
Even Paolo was a bit sarcastic in his comment, it is more you guys who don't get it...
He said already before that he was talking about the discount prices for education and that the education model costs 50$ less than a consumer model, with the difference that the consumer model comes with a modem and the education model doesn't. Therefore he doesn't have any advantage by buying the education model, since he has to buy a modem and ends up at the same price as for the consumer model.
That's all he was b*tching about. Considering that he's a student without a lot of money I can understand him. If students are supposed to buy the eMac as well there is no reason not to offer a version with a modem still being cheaper than the consumer model.
The school buys for the lab (of course), a student for home use!
groovebuster
hello
Its is a whole new OSx not an upgrade, over 150 new features so pay or stay.
Anyways people with osX should get that new Jaguar for free
Is it called Jag-War and Apple and Microsoft are growing so ever close
Its is a whole new OSx not an upgrade, over 150 new features so pay or stay.
Anyways people with osX should get that new Jaguar for free
Is it called Jag-War and Apple and Microsoft are growing so ever close
Re: Re: for lan networks
It's sarcasm, groovebuster.
Holy crap groove, what's with holier-than-thau attitude?
It's sarcasm, groovebuster.
Holy crap groove, what's with holier-than-thau attitude?
Re: It's on!!!
I never said that my knowledge of English is infinite and also never thought so.
Did I make you upset? Fine! Now you know how it feels like!
Maybe my english is a little bit rusty meanwhile, because I don't have the oppurtunity to practice a lot anymore, but believe me, I know when something is meant sarcastic and when it is dumb and racistic. I know more about the english culture and humor than you might imagine, since I am married to a Canadian, have family in North America and friends in the UK and Australia.
Do you have to go on such a low level just to "pay it back to me"?
And by the way... this time I didn't put a "" because I wasn't joking at all! You were provoking me on purpose and now you have a break-out that you have enough because of the response??? You got what you wanted! Be happy! You were able to tell me how stupid I am to make you feel superior, so that you can look into the mirror tonight when you brush your teeth before you go to bed and tell yourself again what a cool and educated guy you are. Really brave! I am impressed!
Know what? Just ignore me as I will ignore you in the future and everything is fine... I really don't need conversations with people like you, as well as you don't need conversations with guys like me.
Adieu!
groovebuster
I never said that my knowledge of English is infinite and also never thought so.
Did I make you upset? Fine! Now you know how it feels like!
Maybe my english is a little bit rusty meanwhile, because I don't have the oppurtunity to practice a lot anymore, but believe me, I know when something is meant sarcastic and when it is dumb and racistic. I know more about the english culture and humor than you might imagine, since I am married to a Canadian, have family in North America and friends in the UK and Australia.
Do you have to go on such a low level just to "pay it back to me"?
And by the way... this time I didn't put a "
" because I wasn't joking at all! You were provoking me on purpose and now you have a break-out that you have enough because of the response??? You got what you wanted! Be happy! You were able to tell me how stupid I am to make you feel superior, so that you can look into the mirror tonight when you brush your teeth before you go to bed and tell yourself again what a cool and educated guy you are. Really brave! I am impressed!Know what? Just ignore me as I will ignore you in the future and everything is fine... I really don't need conversations with people like you, as well as you don't need conversations with guys like me.
Adieu!
groovebuster