Jailbreak == FailBreak

Discussion in 'Jailbreaks and iOS Hacks' started by glossywhite, Oct 28, 2009.

  1. glossywhite macrumors 65816

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    Why (rhetorical) do people bother to Jailbreak their devices?. I mean SERIOUSLY?. Apple design a lovely clean UI, with simple, attractive icons... and then some Failbreaker comes up with... THIS?! :eek:

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    I can totally understand wanting to unlock an iPhone to use another network, but Jailbreaking just opens the whole device up, in a way it is not supposed to be opened up, exposing it to lagginess, crashing, memory leaks, UI inconsistencies (looks and feels broken) and possibly a lot more I haven't thought of yet.

    I once Jailbroke my iPod touch, to see what all the fuss was about... and was disappointed with all the inconsistencies, tbh. I even managed to get root access to iPhone OS terminal, and ERASE THE WHOLE OS!.

    Fail!!
     
  2. iPhone 62S macrumors 6502a

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    That's one person's phone, there are many many ways you can customise the iPhone to make it as you like it, and many apps that Apple won't allow in the App Store that some people need/want.

    For example, as my 3GS is jailbroken, I can multitask, and I have a cool theme called Picnic which is actually quite nice.
     
  3. Blueline29 macrumors 68020

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    That person's theme choice is a fail, not jailbreaking in general. I jailbroke my 3GS and couldn't possibly be happier with it. Absolutely no lag and no decrease in battery life whatsoever (it has improved since 3.1.2, actually). Out of curiosity, when was it that you jailbroke your Touch? Was it a significant amount of time ago?

    Love sweeping generalizations. :)
     
  4. Mischka07 macrumors regular

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    I personally do not like the inability to multitask on the iPhone. A great phone like this should be able to multitask. That is why I'm planning on jailbreaking my phone.
     
  5. megadon macrumors 6502

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    after you JB'd the first time, did you have to restore to get rid of any bugs or was there "no decrease in battery" instantly after the JB?
     
  6. Blueline29 macrumors 68020

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    Nope. The only time I have ever restored was a few weeks ago when I jumped the gun and assumed that something was wrong with my phone when it suddenly dropped a bunch of calls in a row. It turns out it was an AT&T issue and it hasn't happened since.

    Re-jailbreaking went very smoothly as well, though I did have to do a little hunting to find the missing code that allows one to SSH in using a GUI-based program. Dunno why blackra1n didn't include it, but they didn't.

    My battery life was never really bad, but it's definitely gotten better since 3.1.2. I know that's not necessarily the experience a lot of people are having, though. Right now I've got an hour and 33 minutes of usage (conference calls and a tiny bit of email/Twitterrific usage) and 13 hours and 4 mins standby and I'm still at 74%.
     
  7. iPhone 62S macrumors 6502a

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    My only complaint about jailbreaking thus far is how you have to restore whenever you want to update, though. It's gonna be very annoying.
     
  8. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

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    Let me get this straight. You call it a fail because the screen looks messy to you. Type Apple Fanboy.

    Am I going to argue that the screen looks nice and neat. Hell no. I think it looks messy but at the same time it provides a lot more information and choices. Some people like having the extra apps on one screen. It means less wasted space to look pretty.
    Apple biggest flaw across the board is they choose form over function time and time again. This shows across the board in everything they make both in hardware and software. They go with looking pretty over over extra functionality and allowing users more chooses on how to customize for what they want to use to fit there needs and wants.

    Make the default the pretty forum but give people choose to set up thinks but give people the choose to make changes on how they want to use it.

    I am one of those people who will choose function over form almost every time. it can be ugly as sin but if it is by far more functional that pretty eye candy I will choose the ugly one. But you being the typical apple fanboy you are would choose the pretty eye candy over the functional one and then be argue on why it is better.
     
  9. Blueline29 macrumors 68020

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    Couldn't agree more. I held off updating to 3.1.2 (was on 3.0.1) for a long time for that reason. However, now that I've gone through it again, I think it'll be a lot less of a hassle next time (not that I'm gonna jump all over the next update as soon as it's released).
     
  10. TheSpaz macrumors 604

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    I choose form over function almost every time. I'm going to get the new Magic Mouse even though it's missing 2 buttons because I love the way it looks and the sans scroll wheel.

    Also, part of Apple's success is the ease of use of the iPhone with their beautiful UI. If it wasn't for Apple's brilliant iPhone UI, it wouldn't be as popular as it is. Apple usually knows what's best for it's customers... it's just something you're going to have to accept. At first I thought the default home screen is boring... then as I started theming, I came to the realization that I couldn't really make it look better... I always ended up making it look worse. I don't think Apple will ever let us put pictures behind our icons because it's very hard to find a picture that compliments the icons instead of making them lost in the background.

    I do however think Apple could put some sort of status notifications in the status bar of the iPhone for stuff like new email messages, SMS messages or upcoming calendar events.

    For the most part, jailbreaking is tiresome. It takes your mind off of actually using your iPhone and focused more on tinkering, fixing and customizing. That's what it was for me anyway. I was always trying out different things, tweaking things, making modifications, and then fixing stuff I would break by experimenting.
     
  11. glossywhite thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Jailbreaking is the iPhone equivalent of all the fiddling and twiddling assosciated with Linux. We all KNOW there are possible 1,001 ways to do things, but only a few of them are the right way, and then you have to narrow it down even further, and settle on a perfect balance of "HIG" (Apple Human Interface Guidelines).

    Visual noise, added complexity, the constantly changing "way to jailbreak firmware X.X" which hardly ever stays consistent. Apple kit is designed to work intuitively, and (usually) flawlessly and without unnecessary intermediate or extranneous steps required.

    I am a MASSIVE Apple fan, and if you wish to mindlessly brand me as "fanboy" then quite honestly, go ahead - that is your issue, but Jailbreaking ruins the whole experience of coherency across the device.

    Remember folks - this is my personal expression of MY opinion, and I am not expecting you to agree; to resort to the easy option of branding me "fanboy" is a cheap and lazy copout - I don't expect you to agree with me. If any of you are developers, you'll know all too well about memory warnings, [alloc[init]] and ram management - iPhone OS is optimised to ONLY run one app at a time, and this is why all those other "iPhone killer" phones based on Symbian etc, are so laggy and rubbish.

    Exactly - JB is for tinkerers and Linux-esque experimenters. I take Apple's design very seriously - it costs them MEGA money, and many years of hard work, with design teams working round the clock. I very much doubt that this same attention to detail is evident in the evolution of JB'd apps and themes - they're just one person's idea of taste, and I doubt that PROPER psychological analytical interaction research, led to their creation.

    If the Jailbreakers think they can make something better, then surely they'd be better suited applying to Apple's R&D dept.


    {side note}

    I have (or should I say the iPod touch has) converted a friend who was ADAMANT he would never, EVER buy an iPhone, to the iPhone, within 48 hours!. He has wrangled his way through endless Nokias, Sony Ericcsons, and every other "iPhone killer" you could imagine. I remember him swearing in a rage of confusion at iTunes, and promising he would NEVER buy an Apple product because "They're a ripoff and sh*t".

    I sold him my 3G iPod touch on Monday, and he came round to my house, and used my Mac mini to work out where he was going worng with iTunes... the look on his face when he saw Leopard UI and HOW easy it is to use, is worth MANY times more than the £100 loss I made selling him the iPod touch (because he is a friend who is broke, and I was in a tight spot, but this is not my point).

    Suffice to say, said friend is now desparately looking to sell his SE "Satio", and researching the cheapest way to get hold of a 3GS. He also says he will most likely buy a Mac, at some point in the near future.

    Apple obviously know their stuff - he has taken a COMPLETE U-turn within 24 hours, all due to simple, elegant & minimalist efficiency of design.
     
  12. ikaka macrumors regular

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    Stop being Ignorant! There are ton's of reasons to jailbreak

    http://thebigboss.org/why-jailbreak-iphone/

    Summary of Benefits Such as: Being able to run applications in the background (via Backgrounder)
    Have all the necessary on/off switches and brightness settings just by sliding a finger across the time bar (via SBSettings)
    Thousands of themes and customizations so your phone doesn't get boring over time with the same look (via Winterboard)
    Game Emulators so you can play those memorable games from NES, SNES
    Putting icons on the time bar reminding you of new email, sms, voice mail, missed calls, appointments (via Notifier)
    My personal favorite: Putting your calendar items on the lock screen avoiding unlocking, putting in my pass code,
    going into the calendar app to see when and where is my next appointment (via Lockscreen Calendar)
     
  13. glossywhite thread starter macrumors 65816

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    That's right - keep all the apps free, so the legitimate developers go out of business, and the quality of iPhone OS apps drops. :rolleyes:
    I suppose you'd have ALL the apps free, so the whole iPhone ecosystem becomes unbalanced, and Apple write it off?.

    If you get "bored" with your theme, then you have too much time on your hands - it is not SUPPOSED to be exciting, it is supposed to be elegant and functional, which it is.

    I don't understand why you said "Stop being ignorant!" in SUCH a defensive manner... did I ask you to agree with me?...

    This is why you either "get" Apple's way of doing things, or you don't - there are many reasons not to allow the running of apps in the background - do some research.

    Have a nice evening :)
     
  14. Mystikal macrumors 68020

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    Change root password
    Block out hackers
    ???
    Profit!
     
  15. iPhone 62S macrumors 6502a

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    There are plenty of paid-for apps in Cydia too... And how will an alternate way to get apps "put developers out of business"? I know there is some piracy, but that's just a fact of life when it comes to software development, and you don't get computer companies saying they will lock down systems because of it.
     
  16. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

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    Do you know what gets you label as a fanboy. It is not the cop out part.
    What is getting you label as fanboy is the fact that you made an entire post about how jail breaking is stupid and attack the jail breakers. That is what got you label as a fan boy.

    Thank you for extending the image that apple fans are mindless drowns who can not think for themselves.
     
  17. iPhone 62S macrumors 6502a

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    If you don't have SSH installed, you don't even need to worry about that.
     
  18. ikaka macrumors regular

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    All of these Apps are offered by the developers themselves for free,
    Calling jailbreaking a failbreaking is being ignorant to the fact of so many benefits.
    I also forgot to mention QuickReply, where I don't need to stop what I am doing, close it, go into the messaging app to reply. I get a popup with the sms and an option to reply and continue on what I was working.

    You said it: the home screen should be useful, just like it is on all the Androids
    Having a bunch of icons it's useful at all if you need to click it to see the weather, or your next appointment.
     
  19. Konz macrumors regular

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    1.) Thread Starter jailbreaks his iPhone.
    2.) Thread Starter doesn't know wtf he's doing and messes **** up.
    3.) Thread Starter whines on the internet.
    4.) ...
    5.) No profit.

    :rolleyes:

    Double :rolleyes: times infinity... plus one.
     
  20. glossywhite thread starter macrumors 65816

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    :rolleyes:

    Suggestion: think for a minute about how the iPhone is part of the bigger picture - it is part of Apple's (genius) ecosystem which SO many other companies are trying to emulate (badly).

    Apple don't care how much the developers get paid - if Apple were to see a massive decline in app sales through the app store/music through iTunes, they could, eventually abandon the device entirely. They are a design-based company first and foremost, but how do you think they make money?. Ideas that WORK and bring profit!!.

    None of the price of Cydia apps goes to Apple, so obviously Apple don't care less about Cydia, nor do they want it to exist. Imagine I set up a fruit 'n' veg stall selling home grown, top quality produce at a fair price, grown by local people who support the community, and then you came along from another county with NO INTEREST IN OUR COMMUNITY, pushed all my stock onto the ground, replacing it with yours which you then GAVE AWAY.

    Make sense now?.
     
  21. ikaka macrumors regular

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    hahahahahahahahahaha n**ga pleeeeease, Apple made more money on the iPhone they they did on anything else. Android 2.0 is very very very competitive with iPhone, I'm thinking of switching to a device that let's me do with it whatever I WANT, not whatever Steve wants me to do with it. As with anything else, I paid for the phone, it's mine, if I decide to switch to T-Mobile why am I not allowed??? AND Android's home screen is actually useful!
     
  22. thelatinist macrumors 603

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    Jailbreaking allows people to extend the functionality of their iPhones in ways that Apple refuses to. It allows me to run streaming media in the background, it allows me to store and edit files on my iPhone. It allows me to access information about my phone that Apple would deny me. It allows me to play video formats the iPhone doesn't support. It allows me quickly to access my settings. It allows me to use my phone as a mobile terminal for remote system administration. None of these things has to do with spoiling the pretty interface that Apple has designed, nor do they in any way affect Apple's bottom line. They simply make my iPhone a more fully-functional and useful device.
     
  23. ItsGavinC macrumors 6502

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    I jailbroke my original iPhone in the summer of 07, which as I recall, was simply to allow me to add ringtones to it. Didn't touch my 3G, but jailbroke my 3GS just two weeks ago.

    Only thing I changed was an SMS alert tone, and added Lockscreen Info. I like the new SMS tone and really enjoy the added info on the lockscreen. I'm not interested in themes (but many are!), but jailbreaking has been awesome to me. I've noticed no lag at all, but it's probably because I haven't messed with much.

    For me, right now, this IS the perfect iPhone.
     
  24. TheSpaz macrumors 604

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    Apple has a professional design team working on the iPhone OS, so what makes the average person think that they know ANYTHING about good UI design? I hate it when people make their beautiful iPhone into something that looks like a 13 year old's myspace page.

    Yeah... jailbreaking + theming = FAIL
     
  25. ikaka macrumors regular

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    Because they do

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