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Jailbreak == FailBreak
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Fail indeed, on your part.
Well not really - I did it *intentionally*, in the full knowledge that a restore would fix it. You don't learn anything, unless you try things yourself.
Okay - maybe I was a little opinionated yesterday, and I'm sorry for that guys
.The bottom line is that Apple designed iPhone, Apple hold ALL the schematics for the devices & source code for iPhone OS - they *alone* are qualified to make judgements about how modifying X, Y or Z system app or component, will affect the performance of the device. Just because someone's hack SEEMS okay with no adverse effects, how do you know what imbalances it may be causing to the OS/hardware, either now or at some future point?.
Unless you are part of Apple's iPhone design team, you are NEVER going to know the full story, even if you know 97% of it. That missing 3% could be the downfall of your modification.
For the record; 99% of these themes make iPhone look like some cheap knockoff "iPhone killer" phone, with too much visual noise and unnecessary icons vying for one's attention. This is called clutter - why would ANYONE want to take all the hard work Apple have put into making iPhone not only simple & efficient, but aesthetically unobtrusive, and trash it all in ten mins?. I am not saying you have no RIGHT to do this, it just seems a little strange that you'd want to ruin one of the best UI design choices ever made - that's just MY opinion though, so don't get all twisted up about it
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I am not saying you have no RIGHT to do this, it just seems a little strange that you'd want to ruin one of the best UI design choices ever made - that's just MY opinion though, so don't get all twisted up about it
Actually, you very much did say that we have no right to jailbreak and modify our phones.
If this bothers you so much why did you jailbreak your phone?
Why dont you just not install the 99% of rubbish themes?
Why dont you leave you iPhone at home and get a nokia?
Why do you care so much about individuals changing the appearance of their phones?
Why bother even voicing this thread to a community of iphone "hackers" when the soul purpose here is to do just that?
Why dont you just not install the 99% of rubbish themes?
Why dont you leave you iPhone at home and get a nokia?
Why do you care so much about individuals changing the appearance of their phones?
Why bother even voicing this thread to a community of iphone "hackers" when the soul purpose here is to do just that?
Well not really - I did it *intentionally*, in the full knowledge that a restore would fix it. You don't learn anything, unless you try things yourself.
Okay - maybe I was a little opinionated yesterday, and I'm sorry for that guys
The bottom line is that Apple designed iPhone, Apple hold ALL the schematics for the devices & source code for iPhone OS - they *alone* are qualified to make judgements about how modifying X, Y or Z system app or component, will affect the performance of the device. Just because someone's hack SEEMS okay with no adverse effects, how do you know what imbalances it may be causing to the OS/hardware, either now or at some future point?.
Unless you are part of Apple's iPhone design team, you are NEVER going to know the full story, even if you know 97% of it. That missing 3% could be the downfall of your modification.
For the record; 99% of these themes make iPhone look like some cheap knockoff "iPhone killer" phone, with too much visual noise and unnecessary icons vying for one's attention. This is called clutter - why would ANYONE want to take all the hard work Apple have put into making iPhone not only simple & efficient, but aesthetically unobtrusive, and trash it all in ten mins?. I am not saying you have no RIGHT to do this, it just seems a little strange that you'd want to ruin one of the best UI design choices ever made - that's just MY opinion though, so don't get all twisted up about it
I understand your position, but Jailbreaking your phone is like customizing car. Some things will make the car be less fuel efficient, some people put ugly flashy chrome rims on, some people like black rims...
Some will say a ferrari is perfect the way it is, some people want to switch the rims, colour, interior... it's all personal choice, and preference, and I don't think anyone should be attacked for it..
Nuff said
Oh my! That's gorgeous! How do I get my phone to look like that? Is there a tutorial on the internet or something? My 3GS is jailbroken.
Not all people like to have features 3 years after they're introduced just to have the blessings of Steve Jobs.
And I highly respect Steve Jobs too.
And I highly respect Steve Jobs too.
NP it's:
Weather Elements V3 lockscreen - Google it, it's simple to setup
Customized Teknologik theme by dazcoates
http://darren-coates.deviantart.com/art/Teknologik-iPhone-theme-134868940
Here's a lined up screenshot, I had too many rows in the other one:
lockinfo is the single greatest thing that the iphone is missing by default. being able to see (and get a quick preview) of emails that i might not heard the alert for is great. beats unlocking the device just to look at a counter on the icon which cannot tell me which email accounts the emails are in (which lockinfo can). just click the sleep/wake button for a quick look then click it again if i have no mail or nothing i want to check right away.
it's also nice to be able to turn 3g off (i don't get a good 3g signal in my house so better to turn it off and save the battery) in 1 swipe and 1 tap.
as for the themes etc. it's not a requirement of jailbreaking. if you think the phone looks fine as it is then don't theme it. you can still enjoy the added functionality provided by other apps that can only be installed on a jailbroken device. different people like different things. personally i like what mavis posted in the "post pics of your winterboard" thread (which at the time thespaz even said looked amazing and was going to jailbreak for... so much for no one being better than apple huh?) because its simple and sticks to the basics, but is easier on the eye (nicer dock, slight gradient background rather than the plain and dull black).
it's also nice to be able to turn 3g off (i don't get a good 3g signal in my house so better to turn it off and save the battery) in 1 swipe and 1 tap.
as for the themes etc. it's not a requirement of jailbreaking. if you think the phone looks fine as it is then don't theme it. you can still enjoy the added functionality provided by other apps that can only be installed on a jailbroken device. different people like different things. personally i like what mavis posted in the "post pics of your winterboard" thread (which at the time thespaz even said looked amazing and was going to jailbreak for... so much for no one being better than apple huh?) because its simple and sticks to the basics, but is easier on the eye (nicer dock, slight gradient background rather than the plain and dull black).
Even if, for arguments sake, we grant that Apple's design is 100% perfect for everyone (which in reality I don't agree with), some of the third-party apps come with horribly fugly icons! I, for one, am very happy that jailbreak + winterboard lets me replace those eye-sores with something more to my taste.
Well not really - I did it *intentionally*, in the full knowledge that a restore would fix it. You don't learn anything, unless you try things yourself.
Okay - maybe I was a little opinionated yesterday, and I'm sorry for that guys
The bottom line is that Apple designed iPhone, Apple hold ALL the schematics for the devices & source code for iPhone OS - they *alone* are qualified to make judgements about how modifying X, Y or Z system app or component, will affect the performance of the device. Just because someone's hack SEEMS okay with no adverse effects, how do you know what imbalances it may be causing to the OS/hardware, either now or at some future point?.
That's YOUR assumption. No one knows or can prove if there is performance difference. It's like people buy a car and modify it. They don't know if there will be causing any failure now or in the future.
That's YOUR assumption again. Do you personally know any Apple's iPhone design team? Did they tell you that they know 100% of the iPhone? Moreover, Apple gave 3GS the video recorder while we know 3G could have it too but they didn't give it. Some people say it was because 3G is too slow therefore Apple didn't give it the video recorder. I've been using it and i'm quite satisfy with it's performance. I think Apple should have it in 3G but rather not because they want the 3GS to have a 'selling point'. Which even Apple knows 100% of the iPhone still doesn't do what the iPhone is capable of doing.
For the record; 99% of these themes make iPhone look like some cheap knockoff "iPhone killer" phone, with too much visual noise and unnecessary icons vying for one's attention. This is called clutter - why would ANYONE want to take all the hard work Apple have put into making iPhone not only simple & efficient, but aesthetically unobtrusive, and trash it all in ten mins?. I am not saying you have no RIGHT to do this, it just seems a little strange that you'd want to ruin one of the best UI design choices ever made - that's just MY opinion though, so don't get all twisted up about it
You've been repeatedly saying how people ruin the OEM UI. What looks good and bad is their own opinion. You believe the OEM UI looks best. Others feel like their theme looks best. There is no arguement on whether which looks better. It's personal preference.
I believe Apply didn't want people to have theme because they want to have control over their devices. Just like any other company. There will be too many themes and Apply will need to approve every single one of them.
You are assuming that all jail-breakers have multiple applications running in the background. And I like how you back tracked and stated that it most likely doesn't affect the 3GS when previously you said jailbreaking itself will make the iPhone laggy and unresponsive...
but as history will show you have never been one to stick with something you said.
First off
Loading extensions are just like running apps in the background.
Adding stuff onto existing apps like SpringBoard modifications are always running slowing the iPhone down.
Jailbreaking is more likely to slow down your iPhone than keeping it running stock. The iPhone 3GS has enough RAM to make jailbreaking a better experience, but there's no 100% there still may be glitches and problems that you wouldn't face running Apple's stock firmware.
The point that the original poster was trying to make is that a lot of people jailbreak their iPhone just to make it look like an ugly mess. Thus the reason jailbreak = failbreak.
+1
The only reason I jailbroke/unlocked my 2G iPhone was for T-Mobile and MMS. Cydia and the MMS hack are the only things I have.
My iPhone's performance is exponentially better than when I had Mobile Substrate/Cyntact installed. There might have been a half-second lag when installed, but it frustrated me nonetheless.
Now all I need is someone to work the MMS hack into the Pwnage process and I can avoid Cydia altogether!
I honestly don't see the point in jailbreaking.
The themes most people have are ugly as heck. I have seen some truly amazing ones, but those are a rarity. And the process to get it looking that good takes so much time, I'd rather do something more productive.
The UI just flows together and is very smooth. Apple choose certain elements/colors for a reason.
I support jailbreaking only for unlocking and certain apps that are useful. But for the mass majority of people, jailbreaking just causes confusion.
The themes most people have are ugly as heck. I have seen some truly amazing ones, but those are a rarity. And the process to get it looking that good takes so much time, I'd rather do something more productive.
The UI just flows together and is very smooth. Apple choose certain elements/colors for a reason.
I support jailbreaking only for unlocking and certain apps that are useful. But for the mass majority of people, jailbreaking just causes confusion.
themes are only one aspect of jailbreaking as you most likely know
So? who cares what apple chose? its a personal preference in how one likes their colors. just because apple said so doesnt mean everyone "prefers" it
Jailbreaking does not make your phone slower, having more things running in the background does, which is entirely your choice. If you were to jailbreak any phone, and not install anything on it, and compare the speed to the same type of non-jailbroken phone, there would be no difference.
And to the person who said a phone could be jailbroken without even knowing, I almost died laughing. Unless you hadnt installed cydia from the jailbreak, you would know that the phone is jailbroken. More to the point, if the phone doesnt have cydia on it, and there was nothing installed, apple wouldnt know that you jailbroke it which defeats the purpose of your post.
Did you read my post? I didn't say "jailbreaking slows down your phone". I said jailbreaking and then installing background processes will slow down your phone. So what is your argument here? You just agreed with me.
Jailbreaking and then installing nothing, is the same as not jailbreaking.
Not going to attack you GlossyWhite but just put my opinion forward:
Me
I don't mind Linux.
I don't mind command line
I got in to Macs this year, coming from Windows, so prefer to do things in GUI form where possible for ease
Why I JB
It allows me to use programs which uses' API's that Apple don't publish
It allows me to customise those area's of my phone which Apple doesn't allow but others do, such as SMS tone
It allows me to be a little bit different to other iPhone owners
It has allowed me to install SBSettings which has allowed me to install SwitchAPN which allows me to quickly switch between an internal corporate APN and a public one
As others have said, use SBSettings installed to easily switch features on and off
One things, you mention the App Store, devs give their apps away for free, so...
Also, there are loads of these threads, couldn't you have just searched for one instead of starting another??
Me
I don't mind Linux.
I don't mind command line
I got in to Macs this year, coming from Windows, so prefer to do things in GUI form where possible for ease
Why I JB
It allows me to use programs which uses' API's that Apple don't publish
It allows me to customise those area's of my phone which Apple doesn't allow but others do, such as SMS tone
It allows me to be a little bit different to other iPhone owners
It has allowed me to install SBSettings which has allowed me to install SwitchAPN which allows me to quickly switch between an internal corporate APN and a public one
As others have said, use SBSettings installed to easily switch features on and off
One things, you mention the App Store, devs give their apps away for free, so...
Also, there are loads of these threads, couldn't you have just searched for one instead of starting another??