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I think you're right - and when it's proven to be hackable such that I can play my (mostly) DivX files, I'm buying one!

My current (hacked) ATV is the most used device in my house - it allowed me to get rid of cable over 2 years ago. I love it, and can't wait to upgrade!

Out of interest, how are you getting live sports (assuming you are into that) and how are you getting on with your ISP? Was your cable company also your ISP?

I ask because those are the 2 main barriers for me. I need live cricket and football (soccer) but my ISP (Virgin Media) sticks me straight on traffic-shaping procedure as soon as I download anything from iTunes. That's right, even apps. :(
 
If I can use this with external hard drives I'll be ready to go. Otherwise I was looking at other streaming equipment.
 
You clearly don't know what you're talking about. This Apple TV is much more powerful than the old one. Every review for it so far has talked about how smooth both the interface is, and the playback of 720P video, all issues on the old device.

Why would it having a ARM processor make it any harder to hack? Hacking is related to the OS, and this new baby runs the same iOS that is widely hacked.

Never let the facts get in the way of your opinion.....

Show me benchmarks of the ATV ARM processor decoding xvid, or divx, or web flash using the CPU without offloading it to the GPU. Is it really going to be better than the 1GHz intel processor that's in the old ATV? I'm just saying I don't think it will. Sure it is snappy on 720p h264, so was the old ATV. And, they haven't even enabled 1080p for h264, so what does that tell you about this little powerhouse?
 
And, they haven't even enabled 1080p for h264, so what does that tell you about this little powerhouse?

That's not necessarily an issue of CPU power, it's because iTunes doesn't offer any 1080p content for streaming. Since that's the expected usage of the device...
 
That's not necessarily an issue of CPU power, it's because iTunes doesn't offer any 1080p content for streaming. Since that's the expected usage of the device...

Yep, thats true. I mean, I think apps will be great on the ATV, and once there is a real for-profit app store, then the networks might get on board as some have with the other iOS devices. But, as far as a jailbroken app playing web video, we've been there with the old ATV, I don't think the ARM CPU can handle it. I'll happily be proven wrong.
 
Yep, thats true. I mean, I think apps will be great on the ATV, and once there is a real for-profit app store, then the networks might get on board as some have with the other iOS devices. But, as far as a jailbroken app playing web video, we've been there with the old ATV, I don't think the ARM CPU can handle it. I'll happily be proven wrong.

Do you have any reason to believe that the (likely) 1GHz Arm chip in the new Apple TV is less powerful than the 1GHz Pentium chip they were using in the old one?

Or is that belief coming from the same place as your "Arm will be harder to hack comment"? The place I'm referring to, is of course, left field.

Edit:
Here's some reading material
http://forum.handbrake.fr/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=18102
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1023131/
 
Do you have any reason to believe that the (likely) 1GHz Arm chip in the new Apple TV is less powerful than the 1GHz Pentium chip they were using in the old one?

Or is that belief coming from the same place as your "Arm will be harder to hack comment"? The place I'm referring to, is of course, left field.

I don't have any reason to think it is more powerful. A new cellphone chip vs. an old desktop chip, I'm saying it is probably not much better at decoding web videos. Has anyone tested its flash performance? You seem to think that because apple's new interface is smoother, that means it can decode video better than the old ATV. I don't know how you could say that.

The whole harder to hack thing: I am thinking in the context of porting all the work that was done to hack the old ATV. Which was not ARM. I have no idea what a hacked new ATV will look like. It has the same interface as the old one, so I'm not expecting anything different.

As I see it, not much has changed to pressure the ATV hacking community to really take off. Same interface. Similar hardware performance. Just because it runs iOS, doesn't make it magical.
 
Screen Sharing!

Please Please!!! Jailbreak developers. Make it possible for me to show my computer screen using apple tv! I wanna use this as a powerpoint presenter and also watch divx movies on it! When this has been done, i will definitely get one!
 
Do you have any reason to believe that the (likely) 1GHz
Edit:
Here's some reading material
http://forum.handbrake.fr/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=18102
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1023131/

That is h264 video. That is decoded with hardware, not the CPU. I am saying that new content brought in by jailbreaking will likely be FLASH. The CPU will likely not be able to handle much raw flash decoding. You need to understand the difference between GPU accelerated decoding of h264, which is how all iOS devices decode video, and which is why you don't have flash on your iPhone, and CPU decoding of non-h264 video.
 
WOW! is apple just asking for this to get jailbroken?

Maybe that's what they want after all.
I think some of the restrictions the ATV has maybe are imposed by the content providers. Apple seems to make the device easy to be hacked. At least it seems like it.
I am curious to see what new features and possibilities the hacking community can do to this box.
I for one want two things.
108op output
external hard drive support.
 
I will only consider buying one if it is jailbroken to give the ability to play NAS stored media files such as avi and mkv without iTunes or to run XBMC to work with a vail home server. But the question is, do I buy early and hope such mods are released, or wait until they are released and miss out on saving early version shsh blobs and possible jailbreaks :confused:
 
Page 2 of the iFixIt teardown: "Broadcom BCM4329XKUBG 802.11n Wi-Fi/Bluetooth/FM chip"

Living room Apple computer for 100$? Sign me up, I know a lot of people who would probably use that instead of their current Windows computer.

insert reality here. you need an antenna for bluetooth as well. the chip is not enough. an antenna designed for the application/device.
 
please?

Dear Jailbreakers,

Is it possible to create an app for the (soon-to-be) jailbroken atv that will allow the JBatv (that's right) to acess media files/iTunes libraries attached to time capsules / NAS / what-have-you? I would gladly pay for that ability (laptop-only household anyone?). And I'm sure the owner of Cydia or the other JB app store would love the commission (saurik?).

I don't think many people did jailbreaks before apps where released on the 1st Gen iPhone except to unlock it because it seemed kind of pointless except to add wallpaper. Now that many of us are comfortable jailbreaking our iphones and itouches the jailbreak dev community should see a lot of interest in what they can put together!

Thank you
 
The biggest problem with hacking the old ATV was that it was too underpowered to play high quality video in any format other than h.264 -- because of hardware decoding. This box is not any more powerful than the old ATV and is based on an ARM processor. So, it will be more difficult to hack. And when they do hack it, it won't be any better than the old ATV.

Too bad. Everyone should just build a Boxee Box until apple gets it's plans for TV out of the stone ages.

Bro you don't understand but its all about the apps. You know is your heart of hearts that Apple is gonna release an App store. Steve jobs already said it.

All the good video apps have already been released for iOS.

Netflix
Hulu plus
CBS
VLC
Airvideo

Its just a matter of time before they get ported to the AppleTv and its app store.
 
Its already a good deal for 100$ without the jailbreak and a steal if u do!!!!!!

I know! 8GB of flash storage, Apple A4 chip at 1 GHZ, 256mb of ram, 5 watt of power usage, almost as small as an iphone 4! Netflix, HDMI, mini-USB....

$99!

Its gonna sell out!
 
Maybe that's what they want after all.
I think some of the restrictions the ATV has maybe are imposed by the content providers. Apple seems to make the device easy to be hacked. At least it seems like it.
I am curious to see what new features and possibilities the hacking community can do to this box.
I for one want two things.
108op output
external hard drive support.

Once again the avg user does not need 1080p output...but we already know the AppleTV Gen2 will process 1080p video....so...if the future the appleTv will get it.

You are not gonna stream 1080p content good...that is why they went with 720p.

720p is good enough.
 
I don't have any reason to think it is more powerful. A new cellphone chip vs. an old desktop chip, I'm saying it is probably not much better at decoding web videos. Has anyone tested its flash performance? You seem to think that because apple's new interface is smoother, that means it can decode video better than the old ATV. I don't know how you could say that.

The whole harder to hack thing: I am thinking in the context of porting all the work that was done to hack the old ATV. Which was not ARM. I have no idea what a hacked new ATV will look like. It has the same interface as the old one, so I'm not expecting anything different.

As I see it, not much has changed to pressure the ATV hacking community to really take off. Same interface. Similar hardware performance. Just because it runs iOS, doesn't make it magical.

did you even watch any of the videos? Do you have an AppleTV Gen2? It is way faster. Get one and find out. The old AppleTV is a dog compared to the new one!
 
That is h264 video. That is decoded with hardware, not the CPU. I am saying that new content brought in by jailbreaking will likely be FLASH. The CPU will likely not be able to handle much raw flash decoding. You need to understand the difference between GPU accelerated decoding of h264, which is how all iOS devices decode video, and which is why you don't have flash on your iPhone, and CPU decoding of non-h264 video.

Yeah software decoding is harder on the CPU, Intel or Arm, but why is the Pentium chip better and "easier to hack"? You have yet to back up your opinions with any facts at all.

PS: The most common video codec flash plays these days is .h264 which is hardware supported with Flash Player 10.1. However, I suspect flash would be the least likely new content brought in to Apple TV, considering that the jailbreak community does not have a web browser that decodes flash natively on iOS (as far as I know). MKVs on the other hand would be very likely and that would put more load on the CPU, but you've still never shown why the old pentium chip was better.
 
insert reality here. you need an antenna for bluetooth as well. the chip is not enough. an antenna designed for the application/device.

iphone4-antenna-300x269.jpg


I think the reality is that it would use the same antenna as the wifi. However, I don't know if the bluetooth has been enabled.
 
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