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The App Store is a monopoly on iOS. There is a marketplace for apps and services, and Apple has complete control over it.
This is not the definition of a monopoly that courts and governments are concerned with; this style of monopoly is wholly legal. You understand that, right?

I mean, if I walk into the Gap to buy jeans, I only find Gap Branded jeans. By your definition, Gap should be forced to sell Levi's to me within their store. But again, companies can be a monopoly internal to themselves. Do we really need to debate this?
 
This particularly company store is already richest company in the world. Again, IMO, they don't need these kinds of practices. They are already the KING of the hill. They are RICHEST. They've completely won that race already.

It makes me wonder if this is part of the problem. It's almost like Apple lacks the leadership vision around "what to do now" ... and they are mainly guided by not rocking the boat and just double and tripling down on everything that's happened to this point.

It remains a real concern of mine for Apple long term

It feels kind of like a ship with a captain, but no navigator
 
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This is not the definition of a monopoly that courts and governments are concerned with; this style of monopoly is wholly legal. You understand that, right?
That is what DMA is exactly about. To adjust competition law, that has its roots in the beginnings of the 20th century, to the new realities of the distribution of digital goods.
 
Nope. I like Apple just fine. Almost all tech I own that Apple can make is Apple tech. I make my living on Apple tech.
You're sidestepping my point. You want all governments everywhere to crush Apple's approach with the walled garden. I don't know why you don't address this directly. You want Apple to operate differently than they do, and you want Governments, globally, to enforce your desires.

And if that happens, on a global scale, Apple's business model will cease to exist. But you're trying to argue as if this is just one little change in one little place and it's no big deal.

However, I AM consumer first and, as such, when I see an opportunity to make my experience with Apple better, I can appreciate it.

I'm a consumer first too. My interests matter too, right? Or are your interests somehow more important than my interests? Which of us is using governments to force the other?

Our fellow Apple enthusiasts in other places have GOVs that are essentially putting all this disaster spin to the test.

The test of what you asking for can't be measured until what your asking for has been put into place. And what you're asking for a is a global ban on walled garden OSs. All this talk of "there's been no harm!!!" is disingenuous. It's like having the government ban one book and saying "see! banning books won't affect your freedom to buy a book! They banned that one book but there are still a ton of books available." That's the line you seem to be taking here.

OK. At the end, my opinion is that this PART of the walled garden needs more competition. Competition is always good for consumers.

Government is a blunt instrument. Competition already exists.
 
I mean, if I walk into the Gap to buy jeans, I only find Gap Branded jeans. By your definition, Gap should be forced to sell Levi's to me within their store. But again, companies can be a monopoly internal to themselves. Do we really need to debate this?

The difference is that Gap isn't the only game in town. In a shopping mall, Levi's has their store right across the corridor from Gap.

As an iPhone user, I would have to switch mobile phone platform entirely to buy my software-jeans from someone else. It would be like having to move to a different city to buy Levi's.
 
That is what DMA is exactly about. To adjust competition law, that has its roots in the beginnings of the 20th century, to the new realities of the distribution of digital goods.
I think the DMA is about protectionism for EU companies, and the EU facing the reality that their business climate hasn't fostered success on their part to compete in a digital world. So they are trying to hobble a small, select few companies, rather than pass laws that are equally applicable to all companies, despite size. It's protectionism dressed as consumer interest and choice.
 
The difference is that Gap isn't the only game in town. In a shopping mall, Levi's has their store right across the corridor from Gap.

As an iPhone user, I would have to switch mobile phone platform entirely to buy my software-jeans from someone else. It would be like having to move to a different city to buy Levi's.
As an iPhone user, you could have originally chosen Android instead.
 
iOS is Apple's IP. So is the iPhone. Companies are supposed to be able to monopolize their IP. Japan allows Nintendo and Sony to monopolize their own console hardware and OS.
Circumstances change, and laws are adjusted to accommodate that. IP is a concept that was invented to facilitate the industrial revolution. Some aspects of it might have to be redefined, to ensure a vibrant economy with digital services.
 
Apple is NOT a monopoly. Nothing in your argument is valid so long as it is built on the idea that Apple is a monopoly.
Oh, it’s not a monopoly? Great! Let me develop and distribute my own software for the iPhone and iPad without interacting with Apple…oh, I can’t? Huh. That’s weird. You’re telling me that I have to use Apple’s tools with an Apple dev account and distribute exclusively through Apple’s online store and there is absolutely no way around that? Huh. Wish there was a word for that kind of thing.
 
The difference is that Gap isn't the only game in town. In a shopping mall, Levi's has their store right across the corridor from Gap.

As an iPhone user, I would have to switch mobile phone platform entirely to buy my software-jeans from someone else. It would be like having to move to a different city to buy Levi's.
Comparing switching from IOS to Android to having to sell a house, pack all your goods, change schools for your kids, find a new job, buy a new house, etc. is pure hyperbole.
 
Circumstances change, and laws are adjusted to accommodate that. IP is a concept that was invented to facilitate the industrial revolution. Some aspects of it might have to be redefined, to ensure a vibrant economy with digital services.
Can you show me a few indicators that suggest that the digital services economy isn't vibrant? Because I think it's incredibly vibrant.
 
Oh, it’s not a monopoly? Great! Let me develop and distribute my own software for the iPhone and iPad without interacting with Apple…oh, I can’t? Huh. That’s weird. You’re telling me that I have to use Apple’s tools with an Apple dev account and distribute exclusively through Apple’s online store and there is absolutely no way around that? Huh. Wish there was a word for that kind of thing.
You simply do not understand what monopolies mean in a legal sense. Apple is not a monopoly.
 
That might be true. But many (about a third) of all apps I'm using on my Mac would not exist in a world where the only distribution method is the Mac App Store.
And there are a lot of apps (like games) that are never released on Mac regardless of it being open. So the "open" part is no guarantee of getting the apps you want. It's more about the customer base and what that customer base is buying consistently. That's what app developers are looking at more than the "open" part.
 
I think the DMA is about protectionism for EU companies, and the EU facing the reality that their business climate hasn't fostered success on their part to compete in a digital world. So they are trying to hobble a small, select few companies, rather than pass laws that are equally applicable to all companies, despite size. It's protectionism dressed as consumer interest and choice.
There is a kernel of truth to this statement, probably. But it's not something that other economic blocks are not going as well. Among them the most capitalistic country, the USA. They are inventing tariffs and laws left and right to protect their economy. If that is a good strategy in the long run, I'm not sure. But it's the reality.
 
I think the DMA is about protectionism for EU companies, and the EU facing the reality that their business climate hasn't fostered success on their part to compete in a digital world. So they are trying to hobble a small, select few companies, rather than pass laws that are equally applicable to all companies, despite size. It's protectionism dressed as consumer interest and choice.
They’re addressing the fact that the entire industry is dominated by a few select mega corporations. These are not mom and pop shops being cracked down on by the evil government. Hell, Apple’s yearly profits are likely larger than the GDP of some of the countries in the EU. If you add Google and Meta their combined profits are larger than many countries in the EU. There is no meaningful competition in the tech space.
 
Oh, it’s not a monopoly? Great! Let me develop and distribute my own software for the iPhone and iPad without interacting with Apple…oh, I can’t? Huh. That’s weird. You’re telling me that I have to use Apple’s tools with an Apple dev account and distribute exclusively through Apple’s online store and there is absolutely no way around that? Huh. Wish there was a word for that kind of thing.
No different than the game consoles that you use. Japan has no problem with Nintendo/Sony doing that.
 
They’re addressing the fact that the entire industry is dominated by a few select mega corporations. These are not mom and pop shops being cracked down on by the evil government. Hell, Apple’s yearly profits are likely larger than the GDP of some of the countries in the EU. If you add Google and Meta their combined profits are larger than many countries in the EU. There is no meaningful competition in the tech space.
If there's no competition explain the reason for Apple constantly releasing new hardware and software for mobile.
 
Why do you insist so much on YOUR definition of monopoly? These are laws that change all the time. They are not some basic right in the constitution. Parliaments can and do change them when the circumstances change.
Because there are generally agreed upon principles. Apple is not a monopoly by generally agreed upon principles. If words have no meaning, if we can't agree on basic definitions of basic words in a conversation, then there's no point to any of us talking about anything.
 
Why do you insist so much on YOUR definition of monopoly? These are laws that change all the time.
The EU didn't choose to make the DMA apply to video game consoles which use the same approach as Apple. Logically that means that they don't consider it to be a negative by itself. They used the market cap approach which means the main concern is really size/revenue.
 
No different than the game consoles that you use. Japan has no problem with Nintendo/Sony doing that.
So two wrongs make a right is your argument? I think games should be available on all platforms as well.

You simply do not understand what monopolies mean in a legal sense. Apple is not a monopoly.

Ah, so you’re an antitrust specialist I take it? Monopolies don’t require a single company to own an entire industry, just few enough companies that they can stifle competition in their industry to the detriment of smaller competitors, workers, and consumers. And tech giants absolutely meet this definition. If you cannot see the analog between tech giants in the 21st century and railroad barons in the 19th century then you are either ignorant of history or willfully blind.

The US is absurdly laissez faire to the point that even the most rudimentary antitrust motions are treated like the government is sacrificing our children to satan. What’s abnormal is our hyper corporatist society.
 
The EU didn't choose to make the DMA apply to video game consoles which use the same approach as Apple. Logically that means that they don't consider it to be a negative by itself. They used the market cap approach which means the main concern is really size/revenue.
I agree. Game consoles were very likely spared deliberately. But it's easy to understand why. Game consoles are not essential for everyday life and the harm to consumers is likely limited.
 
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