You're sidestepping my point. You want all governments everywhere to crush Apple's approach with the walled garden.
Nope, no "crushing" desire whatsoever. There is
NOTHING in what I've written in ANY thread that is about "crushing" Apple approach/destroying Apple/etc. Again, I like Apple just fine. I make my living on Apple tech. I use walled garden benefits every single day. And I would HATE to see the entire walled garden "crushed" by any laws.
I am not hating Apple. I do not want to see the destruction of Apple. I hope Apple is around well beyond my time on this planet. I think Apple does a huge number of amazing, delightful things. I PREFER Apple's way in most things over any other option... and that's why so much of MY own business for things that Apple makes goes to Apple.
What I
would like- and this is NO sidestep- is
more competition in this
small part of that garden.
The popular counter is this wall of security disaster spin. OK, let's see it. The EU law has been in effect for 3.5 months now. Security nightmare stories? Crickets. In a manner of speaking, the EU is an isolated market test. They can prove or disprove much of the security nightmare spun. It's already been 3.5 months. At some point, it seems we can't really cry that particular "Wolf! Wolf!" any longer. Show me the security disaster in the EU or else perhaps that wasn't a real thing at all. And if it wasn't, why was it spun so hard? And that leads right back to "what I would like" in the paragraph before this one. Hint: 💰💰💰
I don't know why you don't address this directly. You want Apple to operate differently than they do, and you want Governments, globally, to enforce your desires.
As direct as possible: NO, I do NOT want GOVs to be involved in these kinds of matters. I'd rather the company opt to address their great dominance in this matter themselves. If they had chosen to do that already, there would be no need for such laws... no need for the last resort in Capitalism gone awry (GOVs) to be involved.
Unfortunately, the CORP chose "maximize, maximize, maximize" to delight them shareholders with yet"another record quarter" instead of recognizing they would soon be king of the "richest" hill and as history clearly shows over and over and over again, when you become King or are near King, you have to evolve your business practices to raise all boats vs. continuing to exploit in ways that were easily ignored when you were just one of many players as a Duke or burgeoning Prince among
many competitors.
Either dominant Kings evolve as they near their coronation or GOVs tend to step in as the only forces powerful enough to "force" changes that benefit consumers. Change the player here to Microsoft with IE, or AT&T with long distance or Standard Oil and all other "Kings" of space when GOVs ultimately had to step in and the outcome is always the same. Apple could have recognized that and proactively addressed it or do what they all did and continue to "maximize, maximize, maximize" until GOVs simply can no longer play the laissez faire card.
It ALWAYS goes the same way. Every corp that finds themselves growing into the territory should know how it will go if they don't evolve their business practices. This is just rinse & repeat. Only this time, it's Apple's turn.
And if that happens, on a global scale, Apple's business model will cease to exist. But you're trying to argue as if this is just one little change in one little place and it's no big deal.
No, and that's ridiculous. These laws are basically adding some punch to the consumer side of capitalism. They are about capitalism. Nothing is forced on any consumers but consumers in select places are gaining more choices where they can shop for the very same "product."
Conceptually, in some extreme bent, the world could enact laws against all forms of capitalism. But that seems as likely as enacting laws against breathing. Even the extreme communist countries have a bit of capitalism in play. Else, trying to kill it all only leads to it roaring in black market plays.
I'm a consumer first too. My interests matter too, right?
They do. Unless you live in the EU or Japan,
you are completely unaffected by laws in those places.
And if you live in those places, these laws don't make you do anything different if you want to continue to get your apps only from the Apple App Store. The benefit would be for OTHER consumers there where- if they like-
they can opt to shop from other sources.
Or are your interests somehow more important than my interests?
Absolutely not. But, have it your (apparent) way and all consumers everywhere continue to be limited to getting apps, etc from only a single source.
Have it my way and up to all consumers everywhere can
CHOOSE to continue to use that one store... or shop around at other stores for benefits like better pricing, app bundles, etc.
Your way pinches ALL consumers everywhere even if you are perfectly happy with that way. My way pinches no consumers happy with the "as is"... but it does add some
other options for
some consumers that might want standard consumer benefits like "shopping around."
Which is better? That's eye of the beholder. You feel what you want to feel and be right for you. I'll feel what I feel and be right for me. Regardless of what either of us write here, world GOVs will address this issue for their own people however they like. If their people don't like laws like this, their people can vote out their foolish leaders in the next election... and elect leaders that do what is best for their people (including reversing these app doomsday laws). Let's see if they do.
Which of us is using governments to force the other?
Not me. As already shared. I'd much prefer GOVs not be involved at all here. But I also envy these added freedoms for consumers in the EU & Japan. I don't have those freedoms in the USA... which is quite ironic given the USA is spun as "land of the free" and "cradle of capitalism."
The test of what you asking for can't be measured until what your asking for has been put into place.
EU law for this went into effect approx. Mar 6, 2024. I suspect all the security doomsday would be readily apparent 3.5 months later. But, I'll assume EU crime syndicates, etc are perhaps just slow... so I'll reserve final judgement for a while longer. It just seems odd to me that so much great confidence written by so many in so many threads about how easy & rampant all these security disasters would be are taking so long for even ONE of them to actually play out.
I'll keep watching the "lab test" in the EU to see when all this absolute disaster is going to show itself. At some point though, more crying (security) "wolf!" in threads like this seems like
no villagers will come unless many big wolves actually do show up and bite lots of our friends in the EU.
And what you're asking for a is a global ban on walled garden OSs.
Nope. But you sure like blowing what I've actually written out of proportion.
All this talk of "there's been no harm!!!" is disingenuous. It's like having the government ban one book and saying "see! banning books won't affect your freedom to buy a book! They banned that one book but there are still a ton of books available." That's the line you seem to be taking here.
I think anyone reading this example would find an argument of one book vs. a gigantic "company store" App Store tied to every iDevice in the world is really reaching.
Government is a blunt instrument. Competition already exists.
I much appreciate your passionate defense of the Corp. If you live where these laws are in place and it is negatively affecting you in some way, I'm sorry for what it is doing to you.
Else, if you don't live in the EU or Japan, it's business as usual for you... as it is for me. Perhaps we should leave the rampant contempt and disdain for such laws to the people who it actually affects? And those EU people can vote out leaders making terribly wrong laws if they don't like them in the very next election and fix this "disastrous" problem if it actually bothers
EU people. I suspect many EU Apple people are either happy with the freedom to shop around or neutral on this issue. And those who
are negative (or just afraid) still have the Apple App Store "front & center" in the iDevices if they want to use it and only it going forward.
