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Java Update 1.4.2 Update 1 Now Available

w00tmaster said:
they release 1.5(or Java 5 as Sun is now calling it :p ) on the mac. It's already out for windows/linux. there are a lot of cool features that I want to play with, but since i own 2 macs, guess i can't.
Maybe I should bring up my old POS p4 desktop that I built 3 years ago. Tehcnically it can run Doom 3(whenever they release the Linux port, I am not installing windows ever again if I can help it)
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You mean the J2SE 5.0 Beta 2 edition that is available for download for windows/linux?

Did you miss the word Beta or do you not know what it means?

Frank
 
Multi-install fun

By the way, for people annoyed by multiple updates with multiple restarts... just install them all at once.

Even if you download the packages and then wait, like I do, just select them all and launch them all together!

Installer will open windows for all of them, and you can go through giving them all the go-ahead. They'll politely wait their turn and then when ALL are installed you can restart.

I've installed 7 things "simultaneously" before, some needing restarts, and I only had to restart the once. It's cool that Apple allows this--and safe too I would think, due to the way they wait for each other to finish.
 
Squareball said:
So here's to hoping that it makes jEdit and Eclipse more stable! JEdit was solid on Jaguar but soooo unstable with Panther.
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I've had no stability problems at all with jEdit on either Panther or Jaguar.
 
iSync 1.5 now plays friendly with my Sony Ericsson K700i. :)

You may need to delete and re-pair the Mac and phone BT settings.


{EDIT} Sorry, wrong Forum!
 
sadly it didn't make the only applett I need to work :p ..it's a nasty one. works only with OS9 and probably windows. it's a movie ticket reservation system that hasn't been thought through.

it's a piece of crap. i'm so sad I actually want to use it.. but that's because otherwise I'd have to call them and that would cost. I wish they had bought a system that actually works ;P
 
Do we really need Java?

This may be a little off topic, but what percent of users "out there" still think that Java has any chance at real significance in today's world. I've always been skeptical about Java's potential impact, and frankly I see nothing in the future that would change my opinion. In that respect, while I think Apple should continue to support Java development I hope they aren't putting significant resources towards that end. I mean, I'd much rather see them concentrating on C++/Objective C compiler optimizations (faster runtime, 64-bit support, etc.), OpenGL, new video/audio technologies, security, and general networking standards (among other things).

While Java is certainly a factor in the internet experience, I actually believe that its influence will decrease over the coming years. I read something recently that suggested that Java's methodologies were too firmly rooted in academia and that as a result it was becoming detached from real-world problem solving. That's certainly a debatable point, but I'm beginning to wonder if Java might be the last hold-out from the whole internet/high technology "craze" of the late 90s.

Oh, and I know that Java is used for things other than the internet. But my question is, is Java really that important for the average computer user?

The "flames" may begin now (if anyone cares). :)
 
fpnc said:
But my question is, is Java really that important for the average computer user?
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I think it'll still be pretty important for a while. There's a lot of support for it and it's essentially a work in progress (as we can see from the update I guess). Sun still pushes it quite a bit and there are still big turnouts for stuff like JavaOne, etc. Not to mention all of the new cell phones that use java technologies. Granted, I'd rather just see Cocoa as the main programming language (;)), but I'd say the average user can get a lot of use out of java. And considering I'm spending a lot of time learning it right now, I hope it just doesn't suddenly disappear :D
 
fpnc said:
This may be a little off topic, but what percent of users "out there" still think that Java has any chance at real significance in today's world. I've always been skeptical about Java's potential impact, and frankly I see nothing in the future that would change my opinion.
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One good reason why Java is popular and won't go away is that it's cheaper to develop in Java. Java is a higher-level language with an incredibly large and usually well-designed libraries programmers can use directly, which translates to writing less lines of codes to do the equivalent in C (any flavor of it), thus cutting on development time and reducing the risks of errors (bugs). Bugs can cost a lot to fix.

I definitively prefer native applications on my Mac because they run faster, but for a company paying to develop software, they can save heaps of money by using Java and upgrading their hardware to make up for the small speed difference.
 
1. This update seems to really help the stability of Puzzle Pirates (http://www.puzzlepirates.com/). Previously it would often get overloaded and lock up or crash. There are still quite a few display glitches on the Mac, but it's better. (I firmly believe that if we can get one well-placed Java engineer at Apple addicted to Puzzle Pirates, a lot of the Mac's Java bugs would be fixed.

2. It's definitely faster. More of the display seems to be accelerated, for one thing. Even back-end stuff seems to have gotten a little tune-up.

3. On the server-side, Java is king. Everything else is trying to overthrow it, but it won't happen anytime soon. Walk into a technical bookstore and you'll see 5 shelves for Java and 1 for C#. On the client, I suspect the world will be moving to C# within 5-6 years, and Apple will be forced to move to it as well. Objective-C is too isolationist, and C# has a close enough runtime that it shouldn't be rocket science to switch. Although C++/Carbon is still faster than either Objective-C/Cocoa or C#/.Net, the latter will take over because of ease of prototyping, developing, debugging, and C# will win over ObjC because of overwhelming industry support.
The question is whether Microsoft will be able to parlay their C# control into a server-side dominance with client-server integration tools. Sun had better keep on top of the compatibility issues.
 
Well, the million dollar question (ok, $5 question) for me is: "Does it fix the Azureus kernel panics?" (For those not familiar with it, certain network activities in Java could cause system-wide freezes and/or kernel panics; it so happens that the BitTorrent client Azureus percipitates these VERY effectively on dual processor Macs.)

I'd rather install this and .3.5 at the same time, but I always wait a couple days for disaster reports or Apple pulls (such as the recent iPhoto one), so I won't be installing it for a little while, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed that one, the other, or both will do the trick.

On that note:
fpnc said:
This may be a little off topic, but what percent of users "out there" still think that Java has any chance at real significance in today's world.
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Hey, not a whole lot runs in Java, but Azureus is by far the most capable BitTorrent client on the Mac, and it's Java-only, so there's at least one example.
 
Not to mention all of the new cell phones that use java technologies.
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Agree - (not just cell phones, though!) mobile devices are sooo popular now and looking around, everyday users are starting to cotton on to their potential. Development on these platforms is really taking off and it remains one of the areas where small-time developers can effectively compete, and innovate, and there are thousands of Java developers already with the pre-requisite skills.

Apple even have some sort of portable music device thing of their very own, that, I have heard, is really rather popular ...

But they have a big hole in their development line with a lack of official J2ME / MIDP (2) etc. I really hope they see this and plough the necessary resources in to make Macs a full-featured, top drawer, Java development environment (fingers crossed, using the excellent XCode, please).
 
frankly said:
You mean the J2SE 5.0 Beta 2 edition that is available for download for windows/linux?

Did you miss the word Beta or do you not know what it means?

Frank
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Um, being a developer, yes I know what beta means, but does that mean that I shouldn't be able to use it with the mac. Next time don't be such a jerk and assume that you are just SO much more brilliant than the rest of us peons.
 
c_waddington said:
Apple will be releasing Java 5.0 (aka 1.5) in 10.4 Tiger.
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fittingly, the codename for java 5.0 is...you guessed it...TIGER! i'm not so hot on the new look'n'feel, however. i've grown kind of fond of the old "metal" look.

also, for all those questioning the relevance of java, you shouldn't. it allows guys like me to develop on the mac, and sell to the huge world of windows. that works for me. it also means i can develop at my workstation (unix) and run on windows lab machines without any changes. so my vote is for java.
 
1.5 in OS X Tiger DP

Echo'ing other's here, apparently you can start playing with 1.5 on OS X if you have the developer preview of 10.4 (Tiger): http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=523

I wish Apple would permit ADC Online (free) members access to Tiger, even if we had to pay $30 or something (like the original OS X early adopter/beta) Being a Java ( and C on Solaris ) shop, my company isn't going to spring for the ADC Select or Premier fees nor do I feel like throwing $500 to Apple for the opportunity. (Of course, if I was doing OS X development, then I'd do it.)

BTW, a little OT, but I've read that 1.5 compiled .class files should run on any Java 2 JVM (1.4 or better for "assert" users of course). Has anyone out there tried this? (Maybe I'll give it a shot today at work)
 
FWIW, I have a DP1.25 G4 MMD ("Hovercraft") w/2 GB RAM and just did the updates. EVERYTHING is faster, even boot up. Thus far I have never had a problem with SWU screwing up my system.

When XP users download security patches and system updates, do they typically see speed increases?
 
AL-FAMOUS said:
this has made safari sooooo much faster on my powerbook..... its a full on noticable increase..... nice
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I noticed that I'm actually able to type faster and -- get this -- I've lost FIVE POUNDS!
 
The updates when pretty good. My Safari seems very fast! That one site with the Java skiing progrm got really fast in my G3! It is great so far no problems.
 
nagromme said:
By the way, for people annoyed by multiple updates with multiple restarts... just install them all at once.

Even if you download the packages and then wait, like I do, just select them all and launch them all together!
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If you don't download them and install them all at once in the Update window, it only does the optimizing (prebinding) step once.
 
½win½lin said:
Apple even have some sort of portable music device thing of their very own, that, I have heard, is really rather popular ...
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And oh Lord, what I wouldn't give for an iPod SDK. I even fell for that April fool iPod deverloper notes PDF earlier this year.

½win½lin said:
But they have a big hole in their development line with a lack of official J2ME / MIDP (2) etc. I really hope they see this and plough the necessary resources in to make Macs a full-featured, top drawer, Java development environment (fingers crossed, using the excellent XCode, please).
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Wouldn't that be something! There are some 3rd party ports of MIDP, but I've had limited success getting them to work, so I'm having to go back to developing on a PC. Given that the J2ME wireless toolkit is written in Java, you'd think it wouldn't be the most difficult thing in the world to port to OSX. Then again, as you said an integrated Xcode solution would be much more preferable.
 
w00tmaster said:
Um, being a developer, yes I know what beta means, but does that mean that I shouldn't be able to use it with the mac. Next time don't be such a jerk and assume that you are just SO much more brilliant than the rest of us peons.
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I agree with you on this.. I was thinking the same thing.. Go get'em, tiger...
 
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