Yet some us have november estimates with no movement whatsoever
Getting one from the store is a better bet in general. This seems to reflect a reversal in trend by Apple. It used to be that online deliveries took priority, but unless you were lucky enough to be in the initial batch of online preorders, it seems these days keeping an eye out on store inventory alerts is a more reliable bet.
Although admittedly you're kind of out of luck if you don't live near an Apple Store.