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Jobs Excited about Device, Keynote?

Rootman said:
Oh, no! -- you can't make money without substantial market share! Better sell my Apple stock! <pulls out remaining hair>
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It’s a valid point. In the case of the Mac Apple is making a MAJOR killing off their hardware. Substantially better then the cutthroat prices that PC manufacturers are selling their wares at.
The two reasons I never expect Apple to EVER release OS X for the generic PC is two fold. First is drivers and support. Both of these things are expensive overheads to the OS. Apple as it stands has to support a very small, very specific set of hardware parameters. Granted its grown since the release of OS X on Intel but compared to the PC industry in its entirety its a drop in the ocean. The minute Apple releases OS X for PC generica they run into the same problems that MS runs into. Namely driver hell. Apple doesn't want to get into that. Nor do they want to hand the responsibility of the stability of OS X over to companies like Dell. Because drivers can and frequently do make or break a systems stability.
The second reason is also pretty obvious. Apple makes most of their money on the hardware. The minute they release OS X into the wild for the generic PC they will no doubt start raking in money hand over fist. The problem isn't now. The problem is in 2, 5, 10 years where OS X has saturated the market just like Windows has. In Microsoft's case they are having a DANG hard time convincing people to upgrade because for many, like myself, XP/2K is a perfectly fine OS. Once Apple has saturated the market sales will start to slow. It’s better for Apple to be in the position that they are and have nowhere to go but up instead of hitting a concrete ceiling. People need to realize that PC users aren’t Mac users. They would buy Tiger and then sit on it until the system dies. At which time they would upgrade their hardware and their OS. Apple’s formula is perfectly fine.
 
Tried not to get worked up about the Keynote this year, but hanging out here makes it kind of hard. I hope for a smart phone, but I´m not to sure it will see the light of day tomorrow
 
Aniej said:
Similarly, the signup date and posting level (today, just one post, this one) is what, for me, sealed the deal that there was something up with the the intent behind this post.
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Well I find your reply flattering.

SiliconAddict said:
Once Apple has saturated the market sales will start to slow. It’s better for Apple to be in the position that they are and have nowhere to go but up instead of hitting a concrete ceiling.
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Perfectly put. Someone posted earlier about if you cant play in someone elses sandbox, invent your own for people to play in. With OS X run on Apple machines, Jobs and the board are in control. As soon as they release it to outside parties, they give control of the sandbox up to us, the consumers, which sounds oh so nice and neat, but is a horrible business decision and in the long run would bring havoc to the Apple name. I'm sure we all know of brand recongintion; when you buy an Apple, you buy a piece of the culture, too. We like using Apple- it makes us feel creative, smart, hip, "in the know", better than our PC friends. If Apple released OS X to PCs, Apple would become like Microsoft- bloated for lack of a better word, and there wouldnt be any "special club" feelings for its users. The iPod (and possible NewtonPhone) is just enough Apple to give PC users a taste of what they are missing, while still maintaining their minority appeal.
 
I'm in need of a new iPod, so if we get a true video one that would be great, but I also told myself i would save for an 85 1.4:confused:
 
I've got a 1g iPod shuffle and a 4 year old Motorola Nextel phone, so I could upgrade both. I have been thinking about switching to Cingular, so if the rumors are true about the iPhone supporting Cingular, that would be awesome.
 
What if...

So Apple releases the "Mobile Me", with the following spec:

8Gb or 16Gb Flash
Touchscreen
Slide-out keyboard (Ink too)
Roughly the same size as an iPod nano when closed.
1.2MP (or better) camera
GSM/EDGE (or perhaps UMTS)
Bluetooth and all that kind of thing
"Mac OS X Lite" (ie this is intended to be a pocket, always connected, computer, not just a music player in a phone)

Seems reasonable. Nice idea. Might even work.

Mac OS X Lite seems very probable, BTW, I'd expect that to be used for the iTV too. Don't think it's not possible, NEXTSTEP ran in 16Mb without any problems. Given the amount of "junk" in Mac OS X (Carbon, Classic, full Quicktime, the iApps, thousands of device drivers, etc, plus high resolution deep colour graphic images all over the place), it's not hard to see how something approaching NEXTSTEP's usage requirements with a modern look would be possible. It'd also be easy for Apple to hide a project like that, it could have been running since the Rhapsody days. Would certainly explain the presense of Ink.

Now, here's the point at which I expect the real gasps. Not good gasps either:

Price $999 (w/8Gb flash)

Reasonable price, especially for Apple. No, really, it is. You know full well that it isn't going to be the same price as a mix of the internals of an iPod nano with the internals of a $50 Nokia phone. This is a premium product. If Steve's excited by it, it's going to be good, good enough to sell at more than you want them to price it at.

And it'll sell too, like the iPod did at $399. Like the iPod mini did for $250.

Are you all still willing to replace your three year old Sony Ericsson with this, or are you going to go out and get a KRZR or RIZR? (about $300 if unlocked, less if subsidized. Can't say anything about the KRZR but I got my wife a RIZR (that's with an "I") this Christmas and she loves it. Anyway, there are also a lot of good Nokias out there. I'm sure there's a decent Sony Ericsson somewhere too, heh.)

Is this even in the same market as a cellphone, or is it more a Nokia 9xxx done "right"?

The ultimate pocket computer, for a price somewhat higher than estimated (that's always the case.) It's not a cellphone, unless you want it to be one. If you're one of the people posting "BRING ON TEH iPHONE!!!1!" or "I'm going to @$%! MYSELF if I don't get an IPOD PHONE!!!?!?!!!", are you going to be happy with the above?
 
peharri said:
So Apple releases the "Mobile Me", with the following spec:

8Gb or 16Gb Flash
Touchscreen
Slide-out keyboard (Ink too)
Roughly the same size as an iPod nano when closed.
1.2MP (or better) camera
GSM/EDGE (or perhaps UMTS)
Bluetooth and all that kind of thing
"Mac OS X Lite" (ie this is intended to be a pocket, always connected, computer, not just a music player in a phone)
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Sounds very nice, but I think it would have to be slightly bigger than a Nano to be useful. Perhaps a little larger in size than the full size iPod.
 
Oh My

People please, thats not fair how you make fun of the person that single handedly created the internet.

If it wasnt for AL Gore we all woulndt be here.
 
Macula said:
I don't know... all this uncanny quiet only a few hours before the event... we are in for a major disappointment.
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Jobs: (After releasing "major" upgrades to iLife, iWork, and new displays) And one more thing...Ladies and Gentleman, the updated iPod Hi Fi. In reality, all we did was make it louder. But you can buy it in black now! To match the new, brighter screen (10% brighter!) "updated" iPod. Which still rests on top of the machine.

Then he's going to announce his retirement:
"I'm outta here, suckas!"
And he's going to run out of the room, with fresh $100s in his lands, laughing.
 
I call Bullshiz

"A reliable person I know but won't name says Steve's excited"

#1: The CULT OF MAC doofus cannont be trusted for anything. He is a total counter-hit hound and will say whatever to get them.

#2: It's the January Macworld show, of course he's excited. 10.5 is about to be released. They can talk more freely about features/look/etc and not worry Vista will steal (at the moment) due to it being in the wild now.

#3: Sales are awesome

Who needs that WIRED fool?
 
CJD2112 said:
According to sources such as The Wall Street Journal, Jobs' health has been on the decline for a while. The buzz in many circles "in the know" is that Steve Jobs will be announcing his retirement and possibly introducing his replacement, although that might not be for a while yet
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Maybe he's leaving Apple with an endowment to make Mac OS X free for everybody, including PC users so they can focus on hardware as a profit center.

:p
 
backtothefuture said:
Jobs: (After releasing "major" upgrades to iLife, iWork, and new displays) And one more thing...Ladies and Gentleman, the updated iPod Hi Fi. In reality, all we did was make it louder. But you can by it in black now!
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Look closely at the volume knob. See what we did there? We made it go up to 11.
 
However long it takes.... i'm holding on to my bare-bones phone until the release of the apple product.
 
There's gonna be something cool...

The way I look at it, Steve never fails to impress. He knows what goes on in Apple Rumor land. And with the latest banners. I'm convinced there'll be something no-one coulda guessed.
 
Jobs Excited about Device, Keynote

Yeah, well Jobs also thought a leather iPod sock was 'fun'.
 
We're hearing rumours of the iPhone... but I wonder if this is similar to the iPod video of 2 years ago...

What I mean is, rather than getting an iPod-Phone, Steve might announce the next generation of Nanos and say - this is not an iPod-Phone, but this iPod can also make phone calls.

If Steve's not happy with it as a phone, YET, this may be an interim step to stop people buying other phone/mp3 players. Nokias are phones with mp3 player as an after thought.... Apple iPod's with phone would be music players with a phone as an after thought.

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applekid said:
A device just happens to also make phone calls. That is my prediction.

A cell phone just sounds too iffy unless it really is that amazing cell phone that ceases the existence of other cell phones.
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Okay... just got up to this post... Sorry applekid!
 
BRLawyer said:
Just read this on AppleNova forums...if it's true, we might be in for a REAL treat...bigger than the Apple II, bigger than the Mac, bigger than the iPod...the TABLET reinvented for success...move over, Bill..!

http://forums.applenova.com/showthread.php?t=21726

:rolleyes:
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The applenova thread is pretty funny right at the beginning. Yes, it would be good if true, who knows. A touch screen Mac would be wickedly good.
 
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