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iPad Jobs says NO to iPad tether....

When Steve talks about things being 'cool', (like viewing a website on a ten inch screen) it pales in comparison to being able to tether devices such as the iPhone and the iPad together as it seems so obvious, nothing Apple offers, is cooler than this.
 
What? Your iPad? If so you don't understand.

0dev said:
Looks like I'll be jailbreaking mine, then.
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The only ports on iPad suitable for this are the WiFi and Blutooth ports. Apple has never support Blutooth networking so that leaves the WiFi port. What you would need to do is to jailbreak your cell phone.
 
To all those people who think releasing a tethering solution for owners of iphones would cannibalise iPad 3G versions… maybe you buy 3 out of each device you use, like 2 iphones, 2 ipods, 2 ipads, 2 macbooks, 2 imacs.

Well, I don't.

I already own a mobile internet device that fits in my pocket. It's called an iPhone 3G. In July I will buy the next generation, for sure.

It fits in my pocket and i'm really happy with my provider. I pay 30 bucks for unlimited internet (really unlimited, no cap) and free tethering to as many devices as I wish. I carry my phone everywhere.

Then came the iPad. I consider the iPad an "extra" .. I wouldn't really need it but I think it's cool. My iPad would live most of the time at home. I would use it as a easy and fast internet device, to check stuff without the need to open the computer.

3G connectivity ? Sure, I would use it eventually, when I travel, or when I take my iPad to work to give a presentation. However in those cases I will be carrying AS WELL my iPhone.

There's NO WAY IN HELL that I would need to buy an iPad 3G.
Really, no way.

So in a sense, Apple would be cannibalising sales of their iPad Wifi version, because If I cannot tether my iphone to my ipad, I just refuse to buy it. Plain and simple.

There's no way to justify the more expensive 3G version when you already own an iphone. NONE. (at least for me and unless you have buckets of money to waste, I don't think you would, either)
 
ikir said:
I work in an Apple Premium reseller, like 99% of users who jailbroken their phones do that for pirating software and they also pirate softwares that are free on AppStore. it is easy to say things like what you wrote in a internet forum... reality is much more different.
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How do you pirate free software? Are they selling it for a price?
 
Just as well i have NetShare.

I was one of the lucky ones and downloaded it legit from the AppStore. It still works like a charm when i need to tether my macbook ;)
 
Statistics from the global warming crowd, or in otherwords I don't buy your numbers.

ikir said:
I work in an Apple Premium reseller, like 99% of users who jailbroken their phones do that for pirating software and they also pirate softwares that are free on AppStore.
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I highly doubt the accuracy of your numbers. Besides some simply jailbreak to free up networking on the device. As to people stealing free software that is all kinds of stupid but it isn't as bad as stealing from developers trying to make a living.
it is easy to say things like what you wrote in a internet forum... reality is much more different.
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Like wise it is just as easy for you to pull numbers out of your ass. Especially when you imply that nearly 100% of the jailbreak community are thieves. The problem is that even if the Jailbreak community disappeared tomorrow you still have a planet full of people with a weak sense if morality or ethics. Until society developed the will to deal with such people you can't wish it away. The offensive part though is painting with such a wide brush. I almost suspect that we will hear next that GNU/Linux and it's community are also a bunch of thieves.
 
Thats not good enough

As I live in Oz and tethering is allowed, I am terribly disappointed that the iPhone wont be able to tether to the iPad.

I dont think its a terribly smart strategy. Its purely based on commercial grounds as there are no technical issues to overcome.

I am sure we will see miniature wi-fi routers coming out of China real soon with built in 30 pin docks to plug straight in the iPhone and create a wi-fi network which the iPad will be able to access but this is a wasteful hardware workaround for something that should be activated through software.

I will not buy a 3G iPad on principal.

On the surface, the strategy Apple is pursuing here is very Microsoft restrictive and as a long time Apple devotee, I am so appalled that for the first time I will be more open to non-Apple alternatives.
 
If i was to get one then id probably get the wifi only version as i don't see myself using it outside of my or my friends houses. The 3g version wouldn't be that useful for me because if i really needed to access the net when im out of wifi range i always have my iPhone on me. Its not like the iPhone suddenly became a bad browser or anything ;)
 
scottness said:
Wish I had downloaded NetShare.:(
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I read somewhere they can "blacklist" apps which will essentially forcibly remove it from your iPhone... It's there to stop viruses... I wouldn't be surprised if they do that when the iPad comes out, or find a way to stop the program from working with the iPad... Either way, i've got a suspicion it won't work...
The way i look at it, so far what have they had to loose from a small number of people using netshare to tether their macs? Nothing directly... It was the carriers that lost out (well, only in their minds!), BUT the iPad is a different thing; Apple WILL lose out if i tether using a wi-fi only iPad as they could have sold me a 3G iPad, so i think they'll do everything in their power to stop ANY form of tethering on the wi-fi version...
Because of this, i remain sceptical it'll work; soon find out then i get my hands on an iPad ;)
 
Bevz said:
I read somewhere they can "blacklist" apps which will essentially forcibly remove it from your iPhone... It's there to stop viruses... I wouldn't be surprised if they do that when the iPad comes out, or find a way to stop the program from working with the iPad... Either way, i've got a suspicion it won't work...
The way i look at it, so far what have they had to loose from a small number of people using netshare to tether their macs? Nothing directly... It was the carriers that lost out (well, only in their minds!), BUT the iPad is a different thing; Apple WILL lose out if i tether using a wi-fi only iPad as they could have sold me a 3G iPad, so i think they'll do everything in their power to stop ANY form of tethering on the wi-fi version...
Because of this, i remain sceptical it'll work; soon find out then i get my hands on an iPad ;)
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Eh... maybe I'll just wait for the 3g version.
 
AAPLaday said:
If i was to get one then id probably get the wifi only version as i don't see myself using it outside of my or my friends houses. The 3g version wouldn't be that useful for me because if i really needed to access the net when im out of wifi range i always have my iPhone on me. Its not like the iPhone suddenly became a bad browser or anything ;)
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Couldn't agree more. I've struggled with the idea of getting an iPad at all because i use the iPhone at home for all the things i would use an iPad for... However, the techno geek in me wants a new gadget and wants that big screen! Also, the price of the wi-fi only is an absolute steal! I think they'd need to sort out the streaming on it though; front row on it or maybe wireless syncing because 64gb really isn't gonna cut it... and i really don't want to be plugging this thing in every 5 mins... For this reason i wont' buy on day one; i'll hang on a bit and read some reviews... Luckily (well, for me anyway), the UK won't get it for a month after the US which means i'll have plenty of time to read some reviews first.
 
I wrote Steve a lengthy email about an hour ago calling him out on a lot of stuff Apple is taking heat for at the moment, and he replied about an hour later with this:

"The tethering issue is up to the carriers, not us.

Sent from my iPhone"
 
Bluetooth networking is supported

wizard said:
The only ports on iPad suitable for this are the WiFi and Blutooth ports. Apple has never support Blutooth networking so that leaves the WiFi port. What you would need to do is to jailbreak your cell phone.
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Actually Apple do support Bluetooth networking, I am often using it with my iPhone. Again, if any, it is the carrier blocking it. In Denmark it is rather common to have unlimited wireless data together with your iPhone.

I am actually really disappointed about the missing tethering. If I cannot use the tethering option, I will have to bring my Macbook whenever I leave home, in order to have internet access - what is the point then? I thought the iPad would be the smart little computer you could bring along (and no way I am going to pay two times unlimited data access - that is sort of a contradiction in terms).
 
MrSmith said:
Forget the ipad. Jezper aka Airbase rocks.
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Hehe, thanks!

This thing got quite big. I see a lot of people posting "duh" things. And to be honest, I wasn't expecting anything else than a no from Steve anyway. I just wanted it confirmed once and for all. Someone said a nice thing on 9to5mac that sums it up quite well; It's hard to be an Apple fan these days.

On the other hand, if it would be easy, everyone would do it :)
 
ninethirty said:
I wrote Steve a lengthy email about an hour ago calling him out on a lot of stuff Apple is taking heat for at the moment, and he replied about an hour later with this:

"The tethering issue is up to the carriers, not us.

Sent from my iPhone"
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So why can't I tether an iPad to an iPhone when my carrier supports tethering already? His reply doesn't make sense here. Or did he forget they sell iPhones and soon also iPads all over the globe at places where tethering works just fine?
 
I refuse to believe as well, that Apple couldn't have pressured operators on this issue. I can use my iPhone for data all I want, but I can't share that connection with another mobile device that will use similar amounts of data? The whole situation is strange.

Jezper said:
So why can't I tether an iPad to an iPhone when my carrier supports tethering already? His reply doesn't make sense here. Or did he forget they sell iPhones and soon also iPads all over the globe at places where tethering works just fine?
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wizard said:
Jailbreaking in and of itself is not theft. It is unfortunate that some use jailbroken devices to steal software but that does not appear to be the primary or even secondary goal of the jailbreak community at large. Rather the primary goal is an independent development tool chain and the resulant unencumbered programs.

By using MiFi or other like software on the iPhone one could see thatbad a theft of service. The problem of course is that the terms also state unlimited data.



First off this has nothing to do with Apple or Steve so direct you attitude at AT&T. Carriers in other parts of the world support tethering in one form or another. In fact shipping iPhone software supports it right now over USB if the carrier profile allows it.

I'm actually wondering if Steve was responding precisely to USB tethering with his NO. In anyevent connecting to a cell phone via WiFi isn't strickly tethering so maybe some carriers won't have a problem. Still people have to realize it isn't an iPad issue but rather a phone issue when ""WiFi tethering"" is discussed.

As to the other benefits of Jailbreaking realize that there is a lot of perfectly legal software out there. You don't have to turn yourself into a thief to benefit from a jailbreak. On the otherhand the security risks are real wnd you need to understand how to avoid the issues.

In my case I don't jailbreak. Frankly it is because of the security risks. Since my cell phone is my only communications device I don't want it screwed up nor do I want to worry about it. I get enough of that from my Linux machines. I have thought about getting a Touch for jailbreaking though.


Dave
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Maybe the tethering problem is as you say related to a physical connection; I'm thinking specifically of how the iPad is build around the concept of rotation from landscape to portrait and back and even flipping. Any physical connection would be a mess in iPad use, including tethering with an iPhone. Apple doesn't go for anything that messes up how they perceive the user experience.

On the other hand, I would like to be able to tether a mac to an iPad, that case being the iPad would be a near passive device. In my specific case, I would be working at a desk, and at best, I would be using the iPad as an input device via a wireless connection.

With a tethering setup to a mac, using either an iPad with Skype or an iPhone, I could kill my landline and DSL for a saving that would match an unlimited data and text iPhone plan.

I suspect that what Apple really needs to provide is peer to peer wireless (WiFi) in an Ad Hoc way, auto connecting whenever customer specified devices were in wireless range. This is the tethering that I am looking for.
 
FSUSem1noles said:
Ohh, of course not, I was just holding out hope that there would be that 1 "yes".. :eek:
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Just get the 3G and you have on demand all the time. :p

I still can't see my self using it out and about, 3G is just to slow for me in Dallas.

But knowing that it has N as part of its wifi makes me very very happy, I can walk all around and even outside for a bit and get still full access to the web. :D
 
If its at all a true statement from Apple (that I seriously doubt), its a huge disappointment!!!!!!!!

It won't stop me from buying the Wifi only iPad, as I already have requirements for it but on the off-chance that it ever leaves my house, I would like to think I could still get access via my iPhone which already has 3G access.

For an occasional external user like myself, why would I want the expense of having a second 3G contract that seldom gets use. Hell my iPhone's own 3G contract barely ever gets used for data.

If true, absolutely short-sighted!!
 
10.5 hours of battery life. Huh. Is that with the screen brightness turned all the way down? If it is 10.5 hours, with video playback, it will be amazing. Also wonder if it's a battery breakthrough that might get passed on to the next generation of MBP.
 
It can tether,

Just tether your iPhone to your macbook. Then create a network from your MacBook sharing your iPhones internet connection.

Then have an iPhone an Macbook and an iPad on the table ready to use.

Maybe you could strap your iPad to the bottom of your MacBook, open your MacBook and you have a nice vertical stand and tethered internet (providing you have an iPhone on you as well.
 
Ive not read the complete thread so this may have been mentioned, but the best way to connect an iPad or iPod Touch to the internet is via a so called MiFi device.

MiFi is a personal Wlan device, there are several available now, and on most networks. The EU price of these devices is around €250, and typically have an (mini) SD card slot as well. As and example there is http://www.novatelwireless.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=297&Itemid=643 or http://www.vodafone.com/start/media_relations/news/group_press_releases/2009/vodafone_to_launch.html

internet on any network, any device, any where.
 
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