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A4Fiend

macrumors newbie
Original poster
Jan 8, 2011
13
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You should buy an android device to realise how good, smooth and reliable ios is (ios6/7). I exchanged my iphone 5 for a galaxy s4 two months ago and i hate it. Lag everywhere, vomiting plastic feel. Octa core my as$. Going back to iphone in January 2014.

Dude I KNOW. I've got two friends that had to reformat (WHAT??) their androids recently, they worry about keeping their virus protection up to date (WHAT?? ), their phone "apps" crash during conversations, we all know this riff. I try to be gracious. sometimes I succeed hahaha.

You're the third person already that has said they dipped their toe in, had it bitten off, and came back. :)

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You should buy an android device to realise how good, smooth and reliable ios is (ios6/7). I exchanged my iphone 5 for a galaxy s4 two months ago and i hate it. Lag everywhere, vomiting plastic feel. Octa core my as$. Going back to iphone in january 2014.

Hey if you're going to wait till Jan maybe you should hold on a little more. iPhone 6 1Q 2014 right?

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Most people on this forum have no artistic sense or feelings, so you're basically talking to a brick wall.

I feel your pain though. :D

Thanks man, I seriously appreciate it! :)

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It's not going to change so you should prob leave now. Get a head start on those six months.

I got four years in dude; I owe myself six months. :)
 

Djay

macrumors member
Nov 21, 2009
35
0
Most people on this forum have no artistic sense or feelings, so you're basically talking to a brick wall.

I feel your pain though. :D

Yes indeed. Op you likely recall the classic 1984 Apple TV commercial of the distance runner tossing the hammer into the giant video screen while the massive brain dead audience was raptly soaking in the message of big brother? Well, here you, the op, come along and throw an unwelcome "hammer" into the Apple "screen" amongst Mr. Ive's rapt followers. You have unleashed their fury despite their protests that you are investing too much energy into the mere trivia of an operating system. Fascinating isn't it.
 

Zerilos

macrumors 6502a
Dec 18, 2012
903
24
Well folks I never thought it would end like this. After happily owning four iphones in a row (3 3g 4 5 ) and one ipad the iOS7 UI is going to make me walk away from Apple.

Some things I've wrestled with --

  • Radical changes / Fewer customization options.
  • "iDevice barbie" colors
  • Over-simplified
  • Flat
  • Solutions to non-existent probs

"Jony" has six months to fix this. Well, I hope I last that long. I was really excited about the 64 bit world too, but I just can't take this.


I'm sure he's giving your threat the attention it deserves.
 

sviato

macrumors 68020
Oct 27, 2010
2,425
377
HR 9038 A
You seem to have an issue with change. How do you plan to adapt to another UI if you can't adapt to this one?

Let it grow on you.
 

djtech42

macrumors 65816
Jun 23, 2012
1,447
56
Mason, OH
Well folks I never thought it would end like this. After happily owning four iphones in a row (3 3g 4 5 ) and one ipad the iOS7 UI is going to make me walk away from Apple.

Some things I've wrestled with --

  • Radical changes / Fewer customization options.
  • "iDevice barbie" colors
  • Over-simplified
  • Flat
  • Solutions to non-existent probs

"Jony" has six months to fix this. Well, I hope I last that long. I was really excited about the 64 bit world too, but I just can't take this.

I'm sure Jony is just rushing to fix non-existent problems for somebody who is going to leave iOS anyways and feels threatened by something as simple as color. Also, somebody who mocked his nickname and threatened him to redesign it completely in six months, half of what it took to redesign iOS in the first place.

I hate to be so blunt, but I'm getting tired of pointless iOS 7 hate by people who have used it for only a couple of days.
 

ra4oasis

macrumors 6502
Jul 10, 2010
356
84
Well folks I never thought it would end like this. After happily owning four iphones in a row (3 3g 4 5 ) and one ipad the iOS7 UI is going to make me walk away from Apple.

Some things I've wrestled with --

  • Radical changes / Fewer customization options.
  • "iDevice barbie" colors
  • Over-simplified
  • Flat
  • Solutions to non-existent probs

"Jony" has six months to fix this. Well, I hope I last that long. I was really excited about the 64 bit world too, but I just can't take this.

How do you figure iOS 7 has fewer customizable options? If anything the OS feels more customizable to me, since all the transparencies change depending on your wallpaper.

iDevice Barbie colors? Come on now, even you said that's a little superficial.

There is no such thing as oversimplified, at least to me. But I love simple interfaces.

"Flat" isn't even the right word to describe the os (I think), it just was the trendy term to use. iOS 7 is layered, not flat.

And what "non-existent" problems did Jony fix?

Jony Ive is the UX designer for the long haul, sorry to tell you. I personally wonder if he'll be running Apple one day. The press, and almost everyone I've talked too love the design behind iOS 7. He's not going to magically change things back in 6 months for you, or anyone.
 

r0k

macrumors 68040
Mar 3, 2008
3,611
75
Detroit
I posted this elsewhere first, but it really belongs here at MR as well. Since there are already so many dozens of "hate iOS7 threads," I picked this one to add my thoughts. And you know what really upsets me? I just read this evening that after spending 9 hours taking my daughter back up to college so I was too busy to roll my wife's phone back, Apple has decided to stop signing iOS6 ALREADY so I can't get my wife back to the OS she knows and loves. Maybe if I take her phone back to Apple and ask for a replacement, but I digress. I think the pendulum swung way too far over to the "plain white OS" this time! While I'm not ready to go running over to Samsung, Apple has got some work to do to redeem themselves. BTW, yesterday I was in Best Buy and noticed there were people at the Samsung booth, both staff and customers while the Apple booth was deserted. Also the Samsung booth was constructed to be tall enough that you can't see the Apple booth from the store entrance, only the Samsung booth. I thought Tim Cook and his team were on top of things like this? Anyway, I digressed again. Let me get to why despite the fact I find it easy enough to use most of the time, for many users I think iOS7 stinks.

I downloaded iOS7 for me. It's ok. Just ok. I mean I like the quick setup screen. I've gotten used to the half screen swipe to get to Spotlight. But the whiteness of the UI is overpowering. If you're gonna make something so strongly monochromatic, you owe it to the user to allow them to tone it down. Normally I hate light grey on dark grey stuff but skinny black text swimming in an ocean of white is awful. It's far to bright to be used at night. What the heck were they thinking getting rid of ALL clues to let the user know how the UI works? I mean spinners should look like slot machine wheels, not static lists that a person has to tinker with to see how they work. My wife stopped at the time setting screen. And I mean stopped. She stared at it for a good 10 minutes before handing it to me. I remembered (purely from memory and not from anything I could see on the screen) that the date and time settings are wheels you can spin. When I showed her, she said "Oh yeah, now I remember." Look. When we used mainframes, the user could be expected to remember what a chunk of text did on a green screen. Now that we have thousands of pixels, why not spend a few of them letting a novice (or tired expert) user know he's dealing with a slot machine spinner and not a static list of dates to click on?

Let me be blunt. Apple screwed the pooch on iOS7. Jony Ive may be an industrial design genius but remember it wasn't just Scott Forestall that liked skeuomorphisms, it was Steve Jobs. I imagine that bland white screen of very few non-white pixels appeals to some aesthetic. I'm not there to look at the thing and admire it. I'm there to use it. Ugly is better than pretty if it's easier to use. There's a reason digital slot machines still show columns of spinning fruit on an LCD screen. That particular skeuomorphism is necessary to communicate to the user the kind of machine he is playing. Otherwise why not simply scan the rfid in the user's comp card as they enter the casino and let them know whether they've won by the time they walk up to the machine? Sometimes less really is... less.
 

TonyK

macrumors 65816
May 24, 2009
1,032
148
For me I created a black background image and made that the background for my screen. My lock screen background did not change from a personal photo.

I increased contrast and turned on bold text. Personally I like it this way better than iOS 6.

Some of the problems listed below are not going to change. In this business the companies have to create demand or their sales go flat. They do this by releasing new products. In our case that is iOS and hardware that runs it.

Otherwise we all would still be using the first version of anything and no company could long afford to stay in business. Heck even typewriters evolved over the years until they were no longer needed.

Played with a Windows Metro phone Saturday. It is ugly and difficult to use. Android devices leave me cold.

Look at it this way, if you move to a different system you will need to re-purchase all your applications again for that phone OS. Give it some time and wait and see what the jail-breakers can do with iOS 7.

Well folks I never thought it would end like this. After happily owning four iphones in a row (3 3g 4 5 ) and one ipad the iOS7 UI is going to make me walk away from Apple.

Some things I've wrestled with --

  • Radical changes / Fewer customization options.
  • "iDevice barbie" colors
  • Over-simplified
  • Flat
  • Solutions to non-existent probs

"Jony" has six months to fix this. Well, I hope I last that long. I was really excited about the 64 bit world too, but I just can't take this.
 

A4Fiend

macrumors newbie
Original poster
Jan 8, 2011
13
0
I posted this elsewhere first, but it really belongs here at MR as well. Since there are already so many dozens of "hate iOS7 threads," I picked this one to add my thoughts. And you know what really upsets me? I just read this evening that after spending 9 hours taking my daughter back up to college so I was too busy to roll my wife's phone back, Apple has decided to stop signing iOS6 ALREADY so I can't get my wife back to the OS she knows and loves. Maybe if I take her phone back to Apple and ask for a replacement, but I digress. I think the pendulum swung way too far over to the "plain white OS" this time! While I'm not ready to go running over to Samsung, Apple has got some work to do to redeem themselves. BTW, yesterday I was in Best Buy and noticed there were people at the Samsung booth, both staff and customers while the Apple booth was deserted. Also the Samsung booth was constructed to be tall enough that you can't see the Apple booth from the store entrance, only the Samsung booth. I thought Tim Cook and his team were on top of things like this? Anyway, I digressed again. Let me get to why despite the fact I find it easy enough to use most of the time, for many users I think iOS7 stinks.

I downloaded iOS7 for me. It's ok. Just ok. I mean I like the quick setup screen. I've gotten used to the half screen swipe to get to Spotlight. But the whiteness of the UI is overpowering. If you're gonna make something so strongly monochromatic, you owe it to the user to allow them to tone it down. Normally I hate light grey on dark grey stuff but skinny black text swimming in an ocean of white is awful. It's far to bright to be used at night. What the heck were they thinking getting rid of ALL clues to let the user know how the UI works? I mean spinners should look like slot machine wheels, not static lists that a person has to tinker with to see how they work. My wife stopped at the time setting screen. And I mean stopped. She stared at it for a good 10 minutes before handing it to me. I remembered (purely from memory and not from anything I could see on the screen) that the date and time settings are wheels you can spin. When I showed her, she said "Oh yeah, now I remember." Look. When we used mainframes, the user could be expected to remember what a chunk of text did on a green screen. Now that we have thousands of pixels, why not spend a few of them letting a novice (or tired expert) user know he's dealing with a slot machine spinner and not a static list of dates to click on?

Let me be blunt. Apple screwed the pooch on iOS7. Jony Ive may be an industrial design genius but remember it wasn't just Scott Forestall that liked skeuomorphisms, it was Steve Jobs. I imagine that bland white screen of very few non-white pixels appeals to some aesthetic. I'm not there to look at the thing and admire it. I'm there to use it. Ugly is better than pretty if it's easier to use. There's a reason digital slot machines still show columns of spinning fruit on an LCD screen. That particular skeuomorphism is necessary to communicate to the user the kind of machine he is playing. Otherwise why not simply scan the rfid in the user's comp card as they enter the casino and let them know whether they've won by the time they walk up to the machine? Sometimes less really is... less.

Very well constructed post! Thanks for re-posting sir.
 

Virginaustralia

macrumors regular
Jun 16, 2013
200
0
It leads me to wonder....if one has to "struggle" with accepting some pictures on a phone...what would one do if confronted with a real and significant challenge.

Youre exactly right. The same apps are still there i dont know how anyone could struggle
 

dontpannic

macrumors 6502
May 16, 2011
460
4
Orpington, Kent, UK
Bye. Go to android/windows for a few months and find out it isn't as polished or refined as iOS and come back in a few months :)

Meh, I can cope. I still have my 4S but my main phone is currently a GPE Galaxy S4. It's a great handset and has a number of things that iOS desperately needs - and to be fair, the UI isn't as unpolished or unrefined as people make out.
 

Tamagotchi

macrumors 6502
Jun 13, 2013
369
412
Bye. Go to android/windows for a few months and find out it isn't as polished or refined as iOS and come back in a few months :)

You are mistaken... Try stock Android on a Nexus 4, you'll see that it is iOS7 which is indeed not polished at all.
 

maflynn

macrumors Haswell
May 3, 2009
73,419
43,308
Bye. Go to android/windows for a few months and find out it isn't as polished or refined as iOS and come back in a few months :)

I have to disagree, Android is very polished. Its a different platform that needs time to adjust too, but overall, its an excellent OS.

OP, if you're not happy with iOS, then move one, simple as that. I prefer iOS for a number of reasons, but I have used Android in the past. Both platforms have advantages and disadvantages.

I disagree with the sentiment that Apple screwed the pooch in iOS7. I think there's a lot of good in there, and other areas that need to be addressed. I think their first order of business was to remove as much skeuomorphism as they could. They did that from all these stock apps (but not all the apple apps like find my friends) and add some missing functionality.

Overall, its a step in the right direction, again more evolutionary then revolutionary which is apple's typical approach.
 

0000757

macrumors 68040
Dec 16, 2011
3,894
850
Well folks I never thought it would end like this. After happily owning four iphones in a row (3 3g 4 5 ) and one ipad the iOS7 UI is going to make me walk away from Apple.

Some things I've wrestled with --

  • Radical changes / Fewer customization options.
  • "iDevice barbie" colors
  • Over-simplified
  • Flat
  • Solutions to non-existent probs

"Jony" has six months to fix this. Well, I hope I last that long. I was really excited about the 64 bit world too, but I just can't take this.

I'm sure "Jony" has bigger things to worry about than someone with no influential power whatsoever on the internet not liking his design
 

XboxMySocks

macrumors 68020
Oct 25, 2009
2,230
198
Keep talking to me dude. :) there's a reason I've been all Apple since '08 but this UI --:( I know its pathetic but I've even taken to emailing some of my favorite developers (like tapbots ) begging them no to conform to this, this, uh.. I didn't realize how much the appearance of iOS contributed to my overall satisfaction.. I mean, why make a LESS sophisticated UI?

The poor phone app..man.. :( :(

Woah, since '08. A true Apple veteran. :rolleyes:
 

MVRL

macrumors regular
Oct 17, 2011
247
0
what I don't understand is why cry about it when you want to leave? Why do you have the urge to announce it and let everyone know? It's not like all of a sudden the Apple designers are just gonna revert all the changes just for you. It's also not like everyone here cares if you want to stay or go.

"Jony has 6 months to fix this or I leave" Hahahaha, like he cares if you leave or not. Like anyone but yourself care if you leave or not.

Furthermore, why do people have this retarded sense of entitlement? HEY, I stayed with Apple for N years, and I should be be able to dictate their direction. You are a consumer like any other, not a designer working for Apple. When Diablo was in beta, so many people cried about not getting into the closed beta even though they have been playing blizzard games forever. Like, what the heck is with people nowadays? Why are there so many self-entitled people roaming loose? You are not that special despite what your mother told you.
 
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TheRainKing

macrumors 6502a
Jun 11, 2012
999
535
It's true. We're all a bunch of clods.:p

The philistines rule!

:rolleyes: :D

I'm not calling anyone stupid but I am surprised by how many people are unable to understand the difference a UI can make to someones experience. I'm not talking about the obvious stuff like hating the way something looks, I'm talking about how a product makes someone feel. Theres a certain spirit and feeling you got from using the old iOS that made you fall in love with it, but for a lot of us that spirit no longer exists in iOS 7. It's kind of soulless. :(
 
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