Jony Ive and Marc Newson Discuss Design, Obsession With Perfection in New Interview

[kdarling]

Sounds great. How would you rate the usability of the Leica designed by Ive & Co. in comparison. Oh wait... you can't really compare either because you.. don't know either.

We can read reviews. I also have the common sense to know that a version with a hot shoe is more useful than the one without. And that the version with a hardened body and lens is safer from harm.

Moreover, the Titanium design which removed the old light input window and replaced it with internal LEDs, was good enough to later make it into production.

So I don't think anyone would seriously want to go on record as claiming that the dumbed down and smoothed over Ive version... the one without a hot shoe... is more functional than the other one. It's not even questionable.

Of course, as I've already noted, these custom designs are meant more for collectors than users, and so the point is not functionality. (Although I've run across at least one owner on the web who actually used his Titanium because it was a good, funtional design.)

But a designer can go any direction they wish, and Ive again took the path he likes most, which is form over function... something we've seen in everything from his computers with slots moved to the rear, to round mice, to iOS7.

 

[Gigaman]

Weak intro? What are you, 10? What does that have to do with anything?

Your comment that the "number of disappointed peeps is insignificant" perpetuates the stereotype that Apple fans are "sheep". Thank you for that. The reality is, it doesn't matter at all to me how many people love (or hate) the new UI. I don't like it, and that's that. My opinions are not influenced by "sales".

I was not whining: I was pointing out the reasons why people may have issues with the interface. There are clearly enough people here to show that I'm not alone: long-time Apple fans who are not happy with the UI's direction.

The iPhone is a personal device. The whole "get over yourselves, suck it up, embrace change (whether you like it or not)" mentality is what is weak here.

Again, weak intro- and college instructors are not 10. And the point (I can't believe I have to spell it out for you) is that Apple isn't catering to you specifically, the world doesn't revolve around you or the vocal minority (you do know what that means right, it seems like you don't even understand THAT).

"Get over yourselves" is regarding the childish excuses why you specifically, or the vocal minority, don't like it. Far more people like it than not, which is the audience any company wants to please- the majority. Seriously, grow up already.

 

[B4U]

The person who delegated the iOS 7 icons to the print and web design department talks about perfectionism

My thoughts exactly. Thank you!

 

[melendezest]

Again, weak intro- and college instructors are not 10. And the point (I can't believe I have to spell it out for you) is that Apple isn't catering to you specifically, the world doesn't revolve around you or the vocal minority (you do know what that means right, it seems like you don't even understand THAT).

"Get over yourselves" is regarding the childish excuses why you specifically, or the vocal minority, don't like it. Far more people like it than not, which is the audience any company wants to please- the majority. Seriously, grow up already.

Hahahaha, they'll let anyone "teach" these days. No need to explain anything, "professor". What you don't seem to get is that just because a product caters to the "masses" the opinions of those who dissent are not invalidated. They are just that: opinions. As such, all opinions, both for and against, are very personal, much like the devices we are discussing here. I am not looking at this from the perspective of a shareholder (where sales matter), I'm looking at it from the perspective of a customer. From that particular point of view, the world does "revolve around me".

So, let me explain this to you: I was pointing out the reasons why some of us (who are in the minority, apparently) disagree with Apple's decisions regarding a product they want us to buy. There is nothing childish about that (kids are far from rational). Some rational people here like to hear both sides of the argument so they can make an informed decision, or at least get a greater understanding of why a device might not be for them. According to your comments, it appears you want us to shut up and like whatever Apple puts out, regardless of personal taste. So the only childish thing here is your "get over yourselves" comment, as it lacks any reason or logic whatsoever.

As someone who professes to be a conduit of "higher learning", your inability to accept all points of view, both pro and con lets me know that you are simply nothing but a parrot who stands in front of a class, repeats what he's told, and calls it the truth. Spare me.

 

[Gigaman]

Hahahaha, they'll let anyone "teach" these days. No need to explain anything, "professor". What you don't seem to get is that just because a product caters to the "masses" the opinions of those who dissent are not invalidated. They are just that: opinions. As such, all opinions, both for and against, are very personal, much like the devices we are discussing here. I am not looking at this from the perspective of a shareholder (where sales matter), I'm looking at it from the perspective of a customer. From that particular point of view, the world does "revolve around me".

So, let me explain this to you: I was pointing out the reasons why some of us (who are in the minority, apparently) disagree with Apple's decisions regarding a product they want us to buy. There is nothing childish about that (kids are far from rational). Some rational people here like to hear both sides of the argument so they can make an informed decision, or at least get a greater understanding of why a device might not be for them. According to your comments, it appears you want us to shut up and like whatever Apple puts out, regardless of personal taste. So the only childish thing here is your "get over yourselves" comment, as it lacks any reason or logic whatsoever.

As someone who professes to be a conduit of "higher learning", your inability to accept all points of view, both pro and con lets me know that you are simply nothing but a parrot who stands in front of a class, repeats what he's told, and calls it the truth. Spare me.

Except i'm not a professor? What do they say about people who make assumptions again...? It's one thing to comment on a site; it's another to expect to be heard: you're not making a change here. Funny you should mention parrots, when similar comments seemed to be repeated how many times? There's no point.

It's hilarious that you haven't seen that this is a company that does what IT thinks is right; not you, you're not making a change- neither will the vocal minority. Hence, "get over yourself", "maybe you should get an android", etc. etc.

But feel free to reply for a fourth explanation.

 

[melendezest]

Except i'm not a professor? What do they say about people who make assumptions again...? It's one thing to comment on a site; it's another to expect to be heard: you're not making a change here. Funny you should mention parrots, when similar comments seemed to be repeated how many times? There's no point.

It's hilarious that you haven't seen that this is a company that does what IT thinks is right; not you, you're not making a change- neither will the vocal minority. Hence, "get over yourself", "maybe you should get an android", etc. etc.

But feel free to reply for a fourth explanation.

What I find hilarious is that you don't get that my comments are not directed at Apple, they are directed at users here (this is a discussion forum after all) who are looking for a different point of view.

I get that I may be in the minority. I get that Apple is going to do what IT wants. You, however, DON'T seem to get that that is not what I'm talking about.

What I am talking about is the reasons why I, a user and (currently)Apple customer disagree with Apple's decisions, specifically as they relate to iOS 7; I am sharing MY point of view on what Apple decides to do. As such, your "get over yourselves" comment is asinine since it is "my self" who disagrees with Apple. Duh. To try to negate that is, well, irrational (since its dissention reasons what you don't want to hear).

But okay, "professor" (the quotes were meant as sarcasm. I wasn't the one who made an assumption...what DO they say again?). I'm sure that the few folks here that I was trying to reach got what I was trying to say, even if you can't or won't. No explanation needed from you. I heard all I needed to hear. Thanks, though, for a vivid example of why some folks consider Apple fans irrational "sheep".

 

[Gigaman]

What I find hilarious is that you don't get that my comments are not directed at Apple, they are directed at users here (this is a discussion forum after all) who are looking for a different point of view.

I get that I may be in the minority. I get that Apple is going to do what IT wants. You, however, DON'T seem to get that that is not what I'm talking about.

What I am talking about is the reasons why I, a user and (currently)Apple customer disagree with Apple's decisions, specifically as they relate to iOS 7; I am sharing MY point of view on what Apple decides to do. As such, your "get over yourselves" comment is asinine since it is "my self" who disagrees with Apple. Duh. To try to negate that is, well, irrational (since its dissention reasons what you don't want to hear).

But okay, "professor" (the quotes were meant as sarcasm. I wasn't the one who made an assumption...what DO they say again?). I'm sure that the few folks here that I was trying to reach got what I was trying to say, even if you can't or won't. No explanation needed from you. I heard all I needed to hear. Thanks, though, for a vivid example of why some folks consider Apple fans irrational "sheep".

Directed at users? Ha, because the vocal minority isn't busy doing what you did and expect to have a voice amongst the what seems like a copy/paste session. You don't stand out- funny you mention sheep. And you did make an assumption, I guess some things just fly past your head (because I totally knew to read that sarcastically). Don't bother with a reply, your comments are sad, but maybe you enjoy wasting your time.

 

[melendezest]

Directed at users? Ha, because the vocal minority isn't busy doing what you did and expect to have a voice amongst the what seems like a copy/paste session. You don't stand out- funny you mention sheep. And you did make an assumption, I guess some things just fly past your head (because I totally knew to read that sarcastically). Don't bother with a reply, your comments are sad, but maybe you enjoy wasting your time.

"Baa baa baaa". Dude, you're bleat is showing.