Jony Ive and the Future of iOS

[IronWaffle]

Jony Ive and the Future of iOS

Not to mention a far more superior and functional music app.

This is the primary reason my iPod and iPad remain on iOS 6 followed by calendar's functionality. Fact is, for me these are primarily media devices.

While I'm not fond of the new folder design (a distant third issue) and the icons, for *my personal use case* aesthetics aren't part of my decision to stick with iOS 6. I can get used to it. Sure, I'd love control center, Netflix in HD and other iOS 7 perks and apps, but c'est la vie.

 

[oplix]

Simply disgusting, this is neither good skeu rich graphical metaphore, nor clean and flat. Such abomination shouldn't be tested even in beta.

Anything with transparent layers are the work of gods. Assimilate human.

 

[Wetware.]

Simply disgusting, this is neither good skeu rich graphical metaphore, nor clean and flat. Such abomination shouldn't be tested even in beta.

i think that new screen is beautiful.

 

[deluxeshredder]

I haven't had to reset my iphone in about 6 months. How many other phones manufacturers can say that?

I never "had" to reset any Android device.

 

[SusanK]

When you are the lead, anything that goes wrong is your fault. Especially when it is something big.

Which is why the rumors that Forstall was fired over Maps and his refusal to take part of the blame. Tim was willing to as CEO and he wasn't even directly overseeing the development. Forstall was.

And funny you bring up the SSL bug. Which is also in iOS 6 and thus could have also entered on Forstall's watch

SSL bug was identified on 6.1.3. If anyone has a device running 6.0 it can be tested. Forstall as bogeyman is weak.

Cook's grandstanding with the Maps apology diminished him. He wanted to discharge Forstall. As CEO it was his prerogative. Maps was a bullet for the gun. Overkill. Maps is hardly accurate now.

Apple has done everything possible to downplay the critical security flaw. I was in an Apple retail store two days ago. Many demo units are not updated to 7.0.6. When asked employees respond "what patch? and look as if they are unaware of this very serious matter.

I don't use Maps. There are better options. In any case if a map app indicated that McDonalds was on the right side of the street when it was actually on the left I don't care.

The SSL bug making every users data vulnerable for a lengthy period of time is huge. Apple should be doing everything possible to inform users. Not happening.

Cook's refusal to make 6.1.6 available to any devices still running iOS is petty. People who wanted to keep iOS 6 could. Eventually they would have to move to another version. Cook's Apple is pushing people out the door.

Sad of see after decades of excellence. Where was Cook when users were waiting for the SSL patch? Hiding behind a spokesperson and then Steve's birthday.

After decades of excellence at Apple this is sad to see.

 

[BvizioN]

After decades of excellence at Apple this is sad to see.

Don't you think you are being just a "little" to dramatic?

 

[Altis]

....Cook's refusal to make 6.1.6 available to any devices still running iOS is petty. People who wanted to keep iOS 6 could. Eventually they would have to move to another version. Cook's Apple is pushing people out the door.....

I'm not much in support of this. If Apple knew about this SSL issue well before iOS 7, didn't bother to act on it until after they've seen how many have not upgraded from 6 to 7, then that would be really dirty. It's too bad those on iOS 6 can't patch the bug and stay on 6, despite it technically being available.

In any case, it doesn't appear to be working on the people I know. They don't really know or care about any updates at this point.. If they're still on iOS 6, they're used to seeing the "1" on settings/updates, and ignoring it. They aren't aware of security issues such as that.

 

[SusanK]

Don't you think you are being just a "little" to dramatic?

Sorry, no. I see no drama there at all. Just three week ago any device for sale on the floor at Apple retail or Apple online left user data transmissions vulnerable.

Sad to see.

 

[MonsieurC]

I also think the new look will work much better for expanding to new screen sizes, wearables, in the car, etc. than it could have with the old look.

That is complete BS, I have seen this statement too many times now. You're telling me BUTTONS were a hinderance to expanding to other screen sizes, and that LINKS now somehow make the whole process easier???

If anything, tapping clearly defined buttons on a car dashboard seems easier and more intuitive.

Maybe, perhaps, iOS 7 has some internal code that makes it easier to adapt and "stretch" in new screen sizes, but so far as I can see, iOS 6 was excellent across different sizes, having been used on three different screens in its lifetime. Nothing about iOS 6 screamed "You cannot adapt this to an iWatch or a bigger phone."

 

[notrack]

That is complete BS, I have seen this statement too many times now. You're telling me BUTTONS were a hinderance to expanding to other screen sizes, and that LINKS now somehow make the whole process easier???

If anything, tapping clearly defined buttons on a car dashboard seems easier and more intuitive.

Maybe, perhaps, iOS 7 has some internal code that makes it easier to adapt and "stretch" in new screen sizes, but so far as I can see, iOS 6 was excellent across different sizes, having been used on three different screens in its lifetime. Nothing about iOS 6 screamed "You cannot adapt this to an iWatch or a bigger phone."

I do agree on that but the moment I saw CarPlay the first time, it came to my mind that for different car brands (look&feel) and different crappy screens (compared to retina displays) something more neutral would be easier to integrate. This would mean that ios had to downgrade to be integratable into cars. No textures, no buttons etc that could collide with the car's design.

 

[I7guy]

The UI complaints about iOS 7 will remain relevant until Apple acknowledges and addresses them. After iOS 7 was announced, many UI designers and experts came to a general consensus that Ive's software designs were a step backward both visually and in functionality (save for control center). These people know what they're talking about and as an Apple fan, I actually agree. Look, Apple users are constantly stereotyped as arrogant and condescending and when I hear people staunchly defending every move and decision they make, as in the case of iOS 7, that stereotype becomes more and more obvious. Criticizing Apple when they honestly deserve some is not blasphemy and just because Jony Ive is incompetent as a software designer doesn't mean I dislike him because he is an incredible hardware designer and that's what he needs to be focused on and let a professional do a better job with the UI.

And the only reason why they decided to completely redesign iOS was because they were being pressured into it by Wall Street and tech blogs/pundits. Most users were happy and content. But all Apple seems to be doing now is caving into pressure and demands, i.e. iPhone 5C, iPad mini and of course iOS 7. They seem to be betraying the principles that defined them just to make the media and the market happy. That is not the Apple I fell in love with, Apple used to be all about making the best quality products, making their customers happy and obsessing over the smallest details.

That Apple is gone and it makes me sad.

I could not care what any professional reviewer or anyone else for that matter thinks about iOS 7, I have to like it. Big industry is rife with "over the top" successes where the "product" initially gets panned.

Those with an intense dislike of the overall should exercise their freedom and vote with their dollars.

Although I would hope apples social media department summarizes some of the "user feedback" found on forums such as this and sends the feedback to the design and engineering team.

 

[Altis]

I could not care what any professional reviewer or anyone else for that matter thinks about iOS 7, I have to like it. Big industry is rife with "over the top" successes where the "product" initially gets panned.

Fair point, but consider that many (not all) of these expert reviewers know these platforms inside and out. They have a good frame of reference as to what works, what doesn't, how it compares to other platforms, etc... If a large enough portion of these reviewers sees something as a negative (for the consumer), then it's worth consideration. Ultimately, though, yes it is the end user that has to be happy with it.

Those with an intense dislike of the overall should exercise their freedom and vote with their dollars.

It's easy to say this, but remember that people can't always afford to change phones, and some are locked on contract so they would have to pay full price. It's kind of sad that an update can actually create a worse user experience for many people, and there's nothing they can do about it.

 

[I7guy]

Fair point, but consider that many (not all) of these expert reviewers know these platforms inside and out. They have a good frame of reference as to what works, what doesn't, how it compares to other platforms, etc... If a large enough portion of these reviewers sees something as a negative (for the consumer), then it's worth consideration. Ultimately, though, yes it is the end user that has to be happy with it.



It's easy to say this, but remember that people can't always afford to change phones, and some are locked on contract so they would have to pay full price. It's kind of sad that an update can actually create a worse user experience for many people, and there's nothing they can do about it.

True, but I think of it this way. Many millions of iphones are sold. With every operating system upgrade/update there will always be some divisiveness with said updates. For example, Windows 7 was a great update from Windows XP. Yet there are things I intensely dislike about Windows 7. Utter stupidity that drives me mad and wastes my time.

Short of giving iphones away, and even this won't cause some people to be pleased with their devices, Apple will never be able to please everybody with each iteration of hardware and software.

The internet gives everybody a voice, whereby previously that voice was held to a privileged few. So in my opinion, have to take a lot of this in context.

 

[Tyler23]

Sorry, no. I see no drama there at all. Just three week ago any device for sale on the floor at Apple retail or Apple online left user data transmissions vulnerable.

Sad to see.

You realize that vulnerability was around in iOS 6, right? Only just now found. Way to go Scott.

 

[SusanK]

You realize that vulnerability was around in iOS 6, right? Only just now found. Way to go Scott.

SSL bug has been identified in iOS 6.1.3. If someone has a device running iOS 6 it can be tested.

SSL bug has been identified in iOS 7, OS 10.9.0 and OS 10.9.1.

Not understanding Forstall as bogeyman. Did he lay low with the Mac OS and then crawl in a window after being fired to write the bug into Mavericks?

 

[Altis]

True, but I think of it this way. Many millions of iphones are sold. With every operating system upgrade/update there will always be some divisiveness with said updates. For example, Windows 7 was a great update from Windows XP. Yet there are things I intensely dislike about Windows 7. Utter stupidity that drives me mad and wastes my time.

Short of giving iphones away, and even this won't cause some people to be pleased with their devices, Apple will never be able to please everybody with each iteration of hardware and software.

The internet gives everybody a voice, whereby previously that voice was held to a privileged few. So in my opinion, have to take a lot of this in context.

Trying to compare iOS with Windows won't work in your favor here. Win XP was released in 2001, and they've supported it since (up until next month). Of course, you can still install and use it all you like. Meanwhile, iOS gives you at most a day or two before it no longer allows reverting. Then they make you wait, what, 6 months ish before they fix it.

They even patched 6 but you can't upgrade to that if your device supports 7. So yeah.... Windows is a world of freedom next to iOS.

I don't know where you get the idea of giving iPhones away. Don't see how it addresses much. All they'd have to do is keep signing the previous version until the .1 update is released.

Otherwise, we're all at the mercy of Apple not to do things like have really long unresponsive delays after the animations, or a seriously laggy keyboard. My phone worked so well on 6. Now it doesn't work as well, even if some new things are functional and look nice.