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I get the impression that Ive believed in his and Jobs' ideas and design in the beginning, but he's just sold himself out now... he'll say anything, no matter how far-fetched. I suppose it's a given; Apple needs to sell the world on a new phone each year, and each phone is supposed to be better than the last, otherwise... who would buy it?

In the tech business, they've been pining for a new product category that will shake up the market and generate revenues like the modern smartphone and tablets have. These product categories have made many companies incredibly rich, so it's no surprise that they want another golden egg.

Since no new product type has evolved of its own volition, the industry has been pushing wearables/watches lately as the next major product category, but it's obvious to most people that this category will not be the next smartphone or tablet. This category is being pushed on the consumer by manufacturers, not fueled by consumer desire.

Modern smartphones and tablets have been successful primarily because they fulfill needs and people enjoy using them. This is my opinion, but the watch does not fulfill any real needs, and is not a particularly enjoyable experience.

The smartphone can do everything the watch can, and plenty more. If I want to pay for something, check e-mail, weather, send a message, check my calendar etc., I can do this rather well on my phone. In fact, any activity that requires typing or reading will be a far better experience on the phone. The product demo was pretty ridiculous and far more gimmicky than any demo I can remember from Apple.

We enjoy large screen sizes, so we can feel more comfortable interacting with the device, so it makes little sense to put away the now larger device, only to interact with it through a small, limited device. Most, if not all of Apple's products fulfill needs, and are great at what they do (Mac, iPhone, iPad for example), and this seems to be their weakest offering in recent times.

I think on top of all that, the watch is priced wrong. At $350+ (I think it could be significantly higher with the metal bands and particular finishes) for a new product category that offers little real benefit, it's far too high. They want to market it as jewelry, but it is not jewelry. Jewelry does not depreciate, lack features or become obsolete. No one will be cross shopping Omegas, Tags and the Apple Watch. This is just another tech gadget, and once past the initial excitement phase, I think people will treat it as such.

I see how Apple wants to see it... a new product category with high margins, a new app store with a new revenue stream. Beyond the initial hype, I think it will sell in some quantity, but it definitely won't be another smartphone, where over 70% of the population (in many countries) will have one.
No offense but this is *exactly* what people say when new tech is unveiled. One could take what you've written and change a few words here and there and substitute the word iPad for :apple:Watch and this is almost *exactly* what people were saying when the iPad was released.
 
"Millions and millions?" Jony and Tim cannot do math.

3 different watch metals
6 different bands
18 unique watches total

Assuming 20 different digital watch faces:

Total unique watches is < 400!

I hate bad math.
 
"Millions and millions?" Jony and Tim cannot do math.

3 different watch metals
6 different bands
18 unique watches total

Assuming 20 different digital watch faces:

Total unique watches is < 400!

I hate bad math.

It isn't 3 watches, there are 6 if you count colors. And there are much more than 6 bands, there are different color bands of the same type. Times the 20 or so different faces (aerial clock, globe clock, Mickey Mouse, etc). In that scenario, yes, millions is possible. There is a reason why they are CEO and Senior VP, and you are...well, whatever you are in life. :D
 
Ive's watch

I noticed that, it was very distracting, in fact he had it on so loose I was questioning if he's ever worn a watch before much less this one... LOL.

That watch looks really bad on him, imo.


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I suspect we'll see designer versions of Apple Watches in the next year or two. One done with swarovski, another perhaps with prada or gucci, and of course I'm sure celebrity ones like a U2 watch, Project Red, some other celebrity brand (just no Kardassian or Bieber ones, please).

"Millions and millions?" Jony and Tim cannot do math.

3 different watch metals
6 different bands
18 unique watches total

Assuming 20 different digital watch faces:

Total unique watches is < 400!

I hate bad math.
 
I think Ive felt he could design a fashionable watch based on his ideals of material design - the result is the work of a novice who could have benefited with the aid of more experienced watch designers.

I own numerous watches and the design of them is a beautiful art form.
 
I realize that, but I wasn't one of them. I've been a tech geek for a long, long time. Had the original smartphones, the Nokias etc. back in the day. I would share my internet connection over Bluetooth so I could read on the can before phones had Wi-Fi. I bought a phone for it's pixel density before that was a term most people knew (the Nokia N80). I saw the promise of the modern smartphone, and the tablet.

This is not about being open to the watch or giving it a chance. Bottom line... something has to provide a real benefit for it to see any real success. The watch simply doesn't do that. Tech nerds are usually excited about any new tech device, but a lot of us (like Om Malik of GigaOm and Brian Tong of CNET) are not much interested in the watch.

No offense but this is *exactly* what people say when new tech is unveiled. One could take what you've written and change a few words here and there and substitute the word iPad for :apple:Watch and this is almost *exactly* what people were saying when the iPad was released.
 
Ive needs someone at Apple to tell him when his work is 5h!t.

The iPhone 6 is nice, but it lacks the je ne sais quoi of the 4 and 5. In other words, it lacks Steve's input.

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This is not about being open to the watch or giving it a chance. Bottom line... something has to provide a real benefit for it to see any real success. The watch simply doesn't do that. Tech nerds are usually excited about any new tech device, but a lot of us (like Om Malik of GigaOm and Brian Tong of CNET) are not much interested in the watch.

Nailed it.
 
The things that the watch does and can do, are cool but I don't understand why Apple needs 2 designers to make that. It doesn't look good and the gold one with red bracelet looks like a toy watch that comes with cereals.
Its design is the proof that Jonny Ive didn't say that swiss watch makers were fuc... . I mean, in terms of design apple watch doesn't compare with any "normal" swiss watch because those have great design.
 
This is not about being open to the watch or giving it a chance. Bottom line... something has to provide a real benefit for it to see any real success. The watch simply doesn't do that. Tech nerds are usually excited about any new tech device, but a lot of us (like Om Malik of GigaOm and Brian Tong of CNET) are not much interested in the watch.

Were you not here during the iPad keynote? How everyone said there is no need for a giant iPod touch? How we already have phones and a laptop? That there is simply no need or real benefit for the iPad? How do people forget so quickly? You're the same guy that is gonna line up for the Apple Watch 2 just like everyone lined up for an iPad 2 when it ironed out all the kinks from iPad 1.
 
I'm personally not all that interested in the :apple:watch, but wow, the complaints have gotten REALLY silly now. I mean, you seriously think those two things are deal breakers? are you kidding me?

The problem is the only unique thing the Apple watch provides is a heart-rate monitor. Everything else is just inconvenient or could be done better on the phone you have to have anyway. It's just another device you have to faff around charging every day. But this one you have to take off and strap back on every time you go to bed or take a shower. The screen even goes to sleep every few seconds so simply using it as a watch isn't practice. Why use a tiny interface, that requires both hands to operate, when you can use a large phone display with one?

There are still plenty of people who will spend hundreds just to say they have the latest thing, but they will soon tire of it.

Look I generally love Apple products and design, but if something looks pointless I'm not afraid to say so.
 
I would really like to know if that Watch is so ugly and not looking as good as other Apple products because they had limited space for stuff inside or they just want to allow limited customers to try it first and make real product in next iterations.

Personally I love that heptic messages and I'm sure that trying this type of communication will make me addicted really fast. But man, this thing IS UGLY. Really, that's the best Apple can do?

For the iPhone on the other hand I have mixed feelings. iP4 and iP5 launch always made me think 'I need to have that stuff, it's grat!'. With this iteration, that feeling is gone. First thing - how will 6+ model feel in hand? Can I have it on me (pocket), or do I need to get a backpack to put it in :)

So many questions, no rush for me to get it. Something has changed. Is it me, or is it Apple, I'm not sure at the moment.

You nailed it with this post IMO ... A lot of questions still pondering in my mind too .. Something has changed :) I don't think the future of the Watch should be judged by this ugly incarnation ... it really is awful, it's like the whole Apple team are on crack... and they are spinning utter nonsense in the hope we believe the hype.

Tim and Apple made huge announcements that big things where coming in 2014 - They probably realised they had run out of time and public opinion / pressure has rushed this awful watch to the market. Maybe Ive was trying to build a time machine hehe!

As for the IP6 ... Apple, is this really the best you can do (i.e. rip off Samsung)?

PS. I'm not an Apple beater (only ever used Apple stuff and for a long time) ... still in shock :eek:
 
I'm actually really excited about the prospect of the :apple:Watch. I don't understand some of the complaints, at all.

Why is it a complaint that I have to have my phone on me? I literally don't even go to the bathroom without my phone! That's not a deal breaker at all for me. In fact, if the watch reminds me if I'm leaving my phone somewhere, I'd be more than happy about that!

I'm going to need to use it before I have a strong opinion one way or another. I remember thinking the iPad was a bit silly until I held one in my hand, and opened Google Maps on a big, high-res tablet for the first time. If I get the same excited feeling from being able to use simple apps on a device that's always an arm's length away (literally), then I'll definitely be on board.
 
I know when I woke up yesterday, I said to myself:

"I want a really skinny phone, and a really fat watch"

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It isn't 3 watches, there are 6 if you count colors. And there are much more than 6 bands, there are different color bands of the same type. Times the 20 or so different faces (aerial clock, globe clock, Mickey Mouse, etc). In that scenario, yes, millions is possible. There is a reason why they are CEO and Senior VP, and you are...well, whatever you are in life. :D
It's because they're always compensated in "Millions", they aren't aware of any smaller numbers.
 
Bottom line... something has to provide a real benefit for it to see any real success. The watch simply doesn't do that. Tech nerds are usually excited about any new tech device, but a lot of us (like Om Malik of GigaOm and Brian Tong of CNET) are not much interested in the watch.
I haven't even touched one and I can already see where a watch such as this would be useful. I own a fairly successful company and as such I get a *lot* of calls, texts, emails and FB messages all of which require that I remove my phone from my back pocket and see what's going on. Many times I am talking with someone and have to do so. How convenient would it be to simply glance at my wrist and decide whether I want to respond? Secondly, I referee youth soccer most weekends. When I do so, business doesn't stop and the calls, texts, emails etc. continue to come in. Once again, I find myself constantly pulling my phone out of my pocket to see what's going on. ....and once again how convenient would it be to glance at my wrist to do so. I'm already wearing a watch to keep track of game time so an :apple:Watch is simply adding additional functionality to an existing device and isn't that what much new tech is all about? Thirdly, I go to the gym 5 days a week to stay in shape and I listen to music while working out. Many times I find myself, once again, pulling my phone out of my pocket to change songs or check incoming texts, emails or calls. I think you get the point. These are just *3* of the ways I find this device useful and that's without even touching one.

As far as tech nerds go, I take what they say and what they think with a grain of salt. For the most part, these guys are *stuck* on specs and you know as well as I do that the vast majority of peeps don't give a fat rat's arse about specs. They want a device that feels decent in the hand and makes their life a little easier or enriches an already full life. ....and IMO, this is precisely why Apple is a leader in the industry. I'm not going to get into all of the nuances of smartphones and the differences between Android devices vs. Apple devices. That being said, I've owned just about every current Android device (Nexus 5, Galaxy S5, HTC One M7 & M8) and I *always* return to the iPhone because of the nuances I won't get into.

Rant over.

For now. :)
 
As far as tech nerds go, I take what they say and what they think with a grain of salt. For the most part, these guys are *stuck* on specs and you know as well as I do that the vast majority of peeps don't give a fat rat's arse about specs. They want a device that feels decent in the hand and makes their life a little easier or enriches an already full life. ....and IMO, this is precisely why Apple is a leader in the industry.

Most tech nerds can't grasp the fact that they're not the majority. They're a very loud minority, and probably not Apple's main target. Without even looking at the specs, I can already see how this thing is going to be useful, especially in the Apple ecosystem. I think the handoff feature is really cool.
 
Most tech nerds can't grasp the fact that they're not the majority. They're a very loud minority, and probably not Apple's main target. Without even looking at the specs, I can already see how this thing is going to be useful, especially in the Apple ecosystem. I think the handoff feature is really cool.
*Finally* somebody gets it! Props to you, buddy.
 
I wasn't aware ABC hired Patrick Bateman as their tech. reporter. "Tell me John, can the apple watch play the latest Huey Lewis album? The album has a clear, crisp sound, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism..."
 
As far as tech nerds go, I take what they say and what they think with a grain of salt. For the most part, these guys are *stuck* on specs and you know as well as I do that the vast majority of peeps don't give a fat rat's arse about specs. They want a device that feels decent in the hand and makes their life a little easier or enriches an already full life.

My reasons for disliking this watch aren't about specs, they are about practicality.

If I'm walking along carrying my son in one arm and want to reply to a message I can pull my phone from my pocket and reply with one hand. If I used this watch, I would have to put my son down, hold both arms up, to look at the tiny screen, then select a stock answer, which 9 times out of 10 isn't what I want to say. The phone is more convenient, flexible, easier to use and more powerful.

What is the watch offering, apart from hassle?
 
My reasons for disliking this watch aren't about specs, they are about practicality.

If I'm walking along carrying my son in one arm and want to reply to a message I can pull my phone from my pocket and reply with one hand. If I used this watch, I would have to put my son down, hold both arms up, to look at the tiny screen, then select a stock answer, which 9 times out of 10 isn't what I want to say. The phone is more convenient, flexible, easier to use and more powerful.

What is the watch offering, apart from hassle?

At a glance viewing of notifications? Immediately check if it's something that you feel that it's worth replying to (especially useful for meetings). Reading emails and messages? Checking calendar appointments? Walking directions? Google Maps on your wrist? The ton of health features? Just because you can find one case where it doesn't work, doesn't mean that it's useless.
 
"Millions and millions?" Jony and Tim cannot do math.

3 different watch metals
6 different bands
18 unique watches total

Assuming 20 different digital watch faces:

Total unique watches is < 400!

I hate bad math.

I wonder if they are adding up the apps as we'll in terms of layout. That would be nothing short of cheating.
 
This^ As much as I love the hype that comes with Apple product launches, the fancy marketing doesn't work if the product doesn't deliver.We waited all this time and all they announced was an overpriced 6th gen nano with fancy wristbands.

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Hahaha, you nailed it. It is basically more, well, "feminized" versions of the below images.

EDIT: To be fair, the :apple:Watch is waaay more functional, polished, etc. There is innovation in the digital crown. But it really is as you say, a 6th gen Nano. In that respect, it's a badass Nano. Just too girly for my taste though.
 

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At a glance viewing of notifications? Immediately check if it's something that you feel that it's worth replying to...

All of that you can do better on your phone. Do we really need to be glued to our gadgets 100% of the time? It's bad enough as it is. Is the terrible inconvenience of taking something from your pocket worth spending hundreds of dollars to save yourself 1 or 2 seconds? Especially when interacting with this new device is more complicated.

It's just another thing to worry about constantly charging, getting wet or breaking.

Perhaps the next gen will improve the limitations just enough to make it worth it, but I think it may just be a gadget too far.
 
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