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Jony Ive Featured on WSJ. Magazine Cover, Talks Work at Apple and Design Philosophy
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NOBODY paying $3,500 for a laptop ever asked for "thinnuh" or "lightuh" but that didn't matter to the out-of-touch multimillionaire who was driven to work each day in his $500,000 Maybach limousine. People paying that much for a laptop want POWER...and we never got it because Jony no-talent was fixated on a silent laptop with inadequate cooling. I really appreciated the burn marks on my thighs from using those!
Did we ask to be forced to buy all our media, rather than having a system to stream what we already owned? Nope, but we got it nonetheless.
Only once Jon-Jon was gone did the features users actually wanted return to Apple laptops.
Remember when we could upgrade the storage and memory of Apple's computers? Rich a**holes like Jony want us to treat a $3,000 computer as a disposable appliance.
Sorry, Ive is completely overrated.
This proofs your self-persuasive personality, because if you touch this MM2 the first time, laying your hand on it everybody feels this is not ergonomic – whole hand and fingers so flat are under tension – the same with these enormous big sized TouchPads of MB Pros – size of former MB Air was quite enough.
And the rest is well known: A long list of features not following the needs of the majority of users as keyboard (keyboard: loud, not soft enough and high failure rate with butterfly disaster over a long period in all 3 versions!), loss of MagicSafe, lack of connecting sockets (adapter disease), low accu capacity (thinness of iPhones), Mac Pro trash can (cable disaster on table and heat), senseless expensive TouchBar...
Did I forget s.th.? 😋
He was uninterested over many years in the design department – just his advertising voice was impressive.
Happy that he was kicked off by Tim Cook! 👍
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I can understand why the MessagePad didn't sell, but I replaced my Palm with it and it worked great. I was able to send a fax from it while I was in Switzerland in late 1993, and it fit nicely in a coat pocket. I didn't own a laptop at the time, but the PCMCIA U.S. Robotics modem allowed me to send and receive email.
It certainly wasn't for everyone, but it got the job done.
People love to do that. Ignore the majority of successes and focus on the few negatives.
I remember when Sony was a design icon for electronics. A bit like Apple they started to shrink stuff in spectacular ways and designed what was left super elegant and functional. At one point they shrank too much with small radios needing a separate transformator box so you had to carry two things instead of one because the design had become too minimalist. After I bought a stereo system "with USB" that only connected to "Sony made USB devices" (it didn't tell before) I left their universe for good.
He was behind some great designs. Newton, iMac G4, PowerBook G4, and the Cube. Often forgotten is how Jon Rubinstein really deserves a lot of credit for devices like the iMac G3 PowerMac G5 and original iPod. Rubi shouldn't be forgotten.
You're simply wrong. This is why universal statements ("everyone thinks/feels/says/etc.") are dangerous. All it takes is one counterexample to falsify your statement. I use the Magic Mouse all day for anything from web browsing to music/video editing, to word processing, and not once has it ever entered my mind that it's uncomfortable. It simply isn't that way for me (and many others). But of course no one's forcing you to use the MM2 so just use what you prefer.
Funny that some people actually believe that Ive designed the butterfly keyboard.
I miss him. He designed most of Apples well-loved products; and his involvement in some of the least-liked is debatable considering he was mired in a combination of team-management hell and Apple Campus design towards the end.
That being said, I like the products Apple is turning out now.
That being said, I like the products Apple is turning out now.
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Jony AND Steve together are totally legendary, and the foundation to Apple's success.
Jony without Steve is a 2nd version of himself.
We’ll never know what Apple without Steve and Jony altogether would’ve been.
Because even today the design are built on what they did. Even when trying to make justice for all today ports. I am not against ports though.
But…future will tell further how the design will decline at Apple. I think it already have gotten less stylish, and more bulky.
Hope it doesn’t get worse, but it probably will.
Anyway, my 2018 MBA have 2 USB-C ports only and 97% of the time that is more then enough what I need for that one. It’s a really beautiful Mac too.
I do have a hub with lots of other ports that are useful at odd times too though.
Can’t recall how many ports MacBook Pro had during Jony's time though.
A fem more than MBA, I assume.
Jony without Steve is a 2nd version of himself.
We’ll never know what Apple without Steve and Jony altogether would’ve been.
Because even today the design are built on what they did. Even when trying to make justice for all today ports. I am not against ports though.
But…future will tell further how the design will decline at Apple. I think it already have gotten less stylish, and more bulky.
Hope it doesn’t get worse, but it probably will.
Anyway, my 2018 MBA have 2 USB-C ports only and 97% of the time that is more then enough what I need for that one. It’s a really beautiful Mac too.
I do have a hub with lots of other ports that are useful at odd times too though.
Can’t recall how many ports MacBook Pro had during Jony's time though.
A fem more than MBA, I assume.
This is just another example of Jony Ive form over function. Of course you need a low-profile keyboard in a laptop, but a desktop? Give me a real keyboard with proper spacing between full-height keys. You know, like Apple USED TO make.
I haven't used an Apple keyboard with my desktop Mac for more than 20 years. For most of that time, I used an old Adesso ergonomic keyboard, and I only stopped using that one when I replaced it with a Kenesis Advantage2.
Apple should make a regular keyboard again.
That's why I prefer my old Bluetooth keyboard from Apple and prefer these in comparison to the newer Magic Keyboards ones...
But let me say: Ergonomic are flat keyboards not forcing your hands upwards in an angle.
I was a Jony fan for quite a while, Dieter Rams photocopier notwithstanding, but after Steve died, it seemed like a critical filter had been removed and design choices became less and less focused on the complete user experience and more focused on pumping up brand valuation. A decade later, having burned every possible bridge, I don’t even think there’s a way back.
Jony Ive, First functionality, then and only then design. There is something much more important than plain design: functionality. With you, Apple forgot that. For instance, back ports on Mac instead of much useful frontal ones, lack of disk and CPU activity lights on Mac, misleading black screen while shutting down Mac not yet turned off (imagine catastrophic effects when unplugging external booting disk in a hurry), lack of matte display as previously available, lack of power button on keyboard as was previously possible, etc.
Johny had some amazing beautiful designs, but he focused more on designs and not usability. I think he was more focused on his image and what he would be known for (design wise) rather than will this actually playout. Sure some of the I/O wasn't needed on the laptops, but to basically remove them all and keep 2-3 and attach dongles on these beautiful devices should have hurt him.
I think the "trashcan" Mac just got released too early, because I do think that with Apple Silicon the heat problems wouldn't be an issue the only other downside is the upgradeability would have been probably none. The Magic Mouse I just don't understand.. I get that the mouse charges very quickly and lasts a long time, but with how the slope is a charging port could have been added that wouldn't be noticeable at the bottom rather than underneath.
I guess some of these could have been resolved or figured out if he would have collaborated with engineers
I think the "trashcan" Mac just got released too early, because I do think that with Apple Silicon the heat problems wouldn't be an issue the only other downside is the upgradeability would have been probably none. The Magic Mouse I just don't understand.. I get that the mouse charges very quickly and lasts a long time, but with how the slope is a charging port could have been added that wouldn't be noticeable at the bottom rather than underneath.
I guess some of these could have been resolved or figured out if he would have collaborated with engineers
Sir Jony at the height of his powers.
Some people said it was stupid to have to stop work to charge a Magic Mouse.
I say it gave users an opportunity to take a break and reflect on the beauty of another wonderful Ive design.
Some people said it was stupid to have to stop work to charge a Magic Mouse.
I say it gave users an opportunity to take a break and reflect on the beauty of another wonderful Ive design.
Although I failed to articulate my point, what I really meant was that the company as a whole feels mediocre in comparison to the Jobs & Ive epoch. By and large the hardware is still nicely designed and well made, but my user experience is under growing attack from bad software that ruins the product.
Sir Jony at the height of his powers.
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Some people said it was stupid to have to stop work to charge a Magic Mouse.
I say it gave users an opportunity to take a break and reflect on the beauty of another wonderful Ive design.
If you ignore multiple notifications telling you to charge your mouse, maybe you do need to take a break. Plug it in, get a drink, and you'll have a day of juice.
What a lot of people here complaining about Ive’s poor design choices don’t seem to realize is that he was just one person in the design team and he wasn’t solely responsible for all product decisions. There are product managers mandating features, production teams dictating workable size and material options and high level executives signing off on the big picture of everything tied together.
No doubt he was part of some poor choices in product design, but Apple signed off on these things and the blame get shared far more broadly.
No doubt he was part of some poor choices in product design, but Apple signed off on these things and the blame get shared far more broadly.