The use of the plain grey t shirt every day? his closet looks like Peter Griffin's. Same with Timmy, Steve and pretty well every other apple employee in the spotlight. Craig uses blue button up shirts all the time, etc. HA HA.
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Jony Ive Was Involved in the New M1 iMac Design, Despite Leaving Apple in 2019
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Maybe. looks to me like the compute board weighs a fraction of the weight of the display. And, as i suggested, putting it behind the screen where the hinge meets the screen would do good things for the center of mass/stability.
Step one: complain about supposed obsession with thin-ness that doesn’t affect real world usage.
Step two: complain about a pointless decorative element that definitely doesn’t affect real world usage
…There is no step 3!
I agree with this. This is what makes Apple’s products so great. They sweat the details, consider the trade-offs for any design decision, and are forward-looking.
Unfortunately, I believe you are correct. You could tell the 20-inch was bordering on too heavy for the adjustable arm. But it was a great design.
Ah. I don't think we ever had that commercial in Australia... wouldn't have made sense anyway, who wants to use an upside down computer.
Apple is forward-looking. The original iMac eschewed legacy ports for the brand-new USB. They’re not going to hold onto legacy ports in 2021 unnecessarily. Nobody is making anybody buy the new iMac. They make the decision to have it be thin, and made the necessary trade-offs. If one wants a zillion ports on their desktop, buy a different one.
Totally. I find Windows 10 abysmal with respect to touch aspects.
It certianly can be better. But I use it alot and quite enjoy it and it makes my work flow much faster.
I look at Apple like a car company! They make tricked out car for the folks that want to make a style statement and they also build the more mainstream cars we all use everyday and high end racers.
The 24" is the tricked out model, what we need now is the mid and high end Pro systems!
The 24" is the tricked out model, what we need now is the mid and high end Pro systems!
The fact that they are putting back in ports they’d previously taken away under the “thinner, lighter, faster” model tells me either didn’t have much to do with it at all but his fingers are all the new iMac. Putting the Ethernet cable in the power adapter is classic I’ve. I don’t mind it for consumer level Macs but if I were a pro the new MacBook Pro would be the first I’d have looked at in a while. Give me a break on the dongles.
Not sure boxing in a CPU with 45W TDP into an laptop enclosure where not even 25W TDP‘s worth of heat can be effectively dissipated at room temperature (let alone outside on even a partially sunny day, sitting on a tray table on an aircraft without optimal airflow, etc, etc) and calling it “Pro” qualifies are “forward looking”.
Sexy? Yes. Nice to look at? Sure. Functional? Innovative? Forward looking? Only if you want your “Pro” laptop to be a very expensive, sexy doorstop. Then, sure.
There is a reason nearly all of Ive’s designs (at least at the Pro level) are being quietly walked back and they’re getting thicker, more ports, and redesigned. Even the consumer products are getting this treatment as his extremism took a toll on usability on all products, even if it just happened to be most pronounced in the Pro line.
Don’t get me wrong, he made some incredible designs and design ethos contributions to Apple and the world. But he isn’t the infallible visionary people claim he is with this “forward looking” designs any more than he’s the pariah people make him out to be.
He’s probably a better consumer products designer than Pro product designer, that’s for sure. He either fundamentally misunderstands the “Pro” market or simply doesn’t care, neither is a flattering way to treat the core user of the Mac, which is increasingly becoming people who cannot do their work on an iPad/iPadOS in Apple’s vision for the market (Not that I agree with that, but that is where the Mac is being positioned, sadly: an afterthought for programmers, creatives, and editors who need Xcode, FCP, Logic, Blender, Fusion 360, etc, etc).
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Your whole conception comes from official Apple images and videos. You dont know what you’re talking about. Ive wears flashy colors often.
He's worn bright orange leather jackets, rainbow stripes, graphic tees, pink chinos. and a lot of pastels. I don't know where you get your wrong information from. Or how you can be so confidently wrong. It's weird.
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Ive’s designs are very forward-looking. With Apple silicon, they can be more fully realized. The thermal issues with Intel chips are soon to be a thing of the past.
Also, one must realize that Apple is a consumer product company first. The “Pro” market (which means different things to different people) is a sliver of their sales. Apple wasn’t going to make the MBP big and bulky just because Intel’s chips ran hot… especially since they knew the transition to Apple silicon was coming. Was this inconvenient or troublesome for a tiny fraction of users who push their MBPs to the limit? Probably. But let’s get real. Actual video pros aren’t doing their heavy duty work on a laptop. They go to a Mac Pro for that. The MBP has enough power to get some video work done when needed, but it’s not intended to run at full tilt 8 hours a day.
So, while the complaint about the MBP has a certain validity to it, it is a small pebble among a mountain of outstanding designs. I believe the incredible performance per watt of the Apple silicon chips means that we can have ultra-powerful devices that are also ultra-thin and light. A true win-win.
It's not so much the weight of the computer components at play here, it's the entire chassis of the computer being suspended as low to desk-level as possible that gives you a lowered centre of gravity. Putting more weight at hinge-level would actually work against this.
Of course, if you do go for a design that suspends the panel in front of the user with as low a clearance above the desk as possible, there's a tradeoff. The stability might be excellent, but you can't make the whole front panel a display, otherwise it descends too low for humans seated at a desk all day (with their head, shoulders and arms at a certain height) to use comfortably. People would either get neck problems looking down too much, or complain about having to put the computer on a box to make it the right height.
There are only two ways around this. You can make the whole front panel nothing but display - as many people seem to want - but one that has to be raised higher to preserve decent ergonomics. It could even be an adjustable height design, why not. But even with how lightweight the computer hardware part of the iMac is, it's still going to weigh more than just a display alone. So this means it will need a heftier stand assembly with a wider base to keep it stable. Not just because it weighs more than a simple display, but also because the centre of gravity is shifted significantly upwards. An easy solution could be to use a stand design with more than one arm, as opposed to the single centred one iMacs now use. There are plenty of all-in-one Windows computers that do just that. Since so many people seem to hate the chin so much, surely a two (or more) armed stand would be fine with them if it means finally getting rid of it.
Also, the visual aspect of the iMac from the user point of view would change significantly. With all iMacs since at least 2010, when you're seated using the machine you don't see the neck of the stand at all. The idea of this was to create a feeling of having just your content floating on the display in front of you. None of the structural parts holding the computer up dominate your field of vision. This might just be wishy-washy product design talk, but still, I get where they're coming from. In any case, whether you're someone who thinks this is a nice thing about iMacs or just silly Apple product talk, that effect would be gone with a chinless design. The stand arm (or arms) would always be in front of you in plain view.
The other way to get around this ergonomics dilemma is to do what Apple has chosen to do with the iMac design for ages. Make the chassis larger than the display itself needs to be, mount it low so the subsequently low centre of gravity allows you to use the most minimal stand assembly and yet be stable as a rock. This way you get a display at a good ergonomic height, and the dead space below it (aka the much hated chin) obscures the view of the stand behind it, stabilises the balance of the whole machine, houses the speakers... and now also houses all of the actual computing hardware of the machine as well. You can also use it to turn the machine around or angle the display without greasing up the screen with your fingers. And you can stick post-its on it as well if you're into that kind of thing. I think it was a pretty good way to go, given the alternatives.
I only know of him because of his poor design. Didn't know he had poor fashion sense too. Ha ha. Did you see that terrible camera he designed. Removed all ergonomics of the camera. He reminds me of Sven. If you know that reference.
Ah, so if you define “forward looking” as “will work in 5 years with as-of-yet uninvented let alone marketable technology”, sure, you have a point. But as you say yourself, Apple sells consumer products, but I think you discount how many of these consumers are professional editors, programmers, analytics, data scientists, etc.
Sure, ”let’s get real”: first, video pros do a *ton* of work on mobile platforms, with time-to-publish going to *hours* from shot to edit to content publish in many situations. Also, are you familiar with the thermal issues with the trash-can design Mac Pro? Care to find out who led that design division at the time?
And, if you think Apple silicon is immune from physics, it simply is not. The thermal story there is *much* better, no doubt (Intel’s thermal story was a disaster), Ive’s designs there *still* lack diversity of ports for even regular consumers. Do you have any idea how many consumers (not Pros) are driven crazy by years of dongle-hell because USB-A was put to pasture way too early.
You call that “forward looking”, which is great, but it is neither usable nor consumer (let alone environmentally) friendly.
I’m more than willing to cede to your claim of “forward looking” if Apple is now so sort of futurism firm who has no interest in making usable products for the current market (be it consumer or “Pro”), but they aren’t, and guess what, that’s why Jony Ive was let go (ah, wait, he “left to pursue other interests”, I know, but that is what getting fired at this level is).
He’s been retained to consult where he is effective, and I think that’s great. But he is not a visionary who creates usable technology in general. He is a brilliant man, but his designs are not suitable for a company who wants to create anything but futurism in art, frankly, unless he’s equally balanced by a pragmatic and practical team of people who know the market really well. And that’s what we’re seeing now: Apple’s board recognized that Jony Ive wasn’t right in the position and control he held directly and in terms of design ethic. They took care of that. They got rid of him and retained access to what he *does* do well (sexy consumer products) and gave the actual technologists in the room who can bridge futurism with products that work *today* (and don’t require Apple Silicon, which at the time during Ive’s tenure was not even a research project yet, so that’s not a claim that has any validity to it, and even if it did, designing the MBP in 2015 for Apple Silicon that will be out in 2H 2021, uh, how is that something you even think is a defensible argument to justify his designs? “Here, I’m designing you a laptop in 2015 that will only be useful in 2021, but we won’t sell an upgrade kit, but you’ll have to buy a whole new machine then, so enjoy your “forward looking” laptop, but only on your desk, in a cool room, with fans at full tilt doesn’t quite work for me as a consumer).
You don’t like it. But you are not a spokesperson for all users of Apple products. People have allowed their wallets to do the talking, and we just saw the best quarter for Macs ever. The complaints being lodged here are minor niggles and/or pet peeves.
Seriously, people were even more angry about the omission of a floppy drive on the original iMac… and look how that turned out.
With millions of users getting work done on MBPs for years, the claim that the 2016 (I assume that‘s what you meant since that was the year they began the touch bar design) machine is only useful in 2021 is provably inaccurate.
Finally, even Apple states that they’ve had Macs running on their own silicon internally for years. You think they came up with the idea a year ago? Ive left in 2019. They were already working on Apple Silicon Macs while he was there.