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You can export from the iOS to your mac, and then import it into the mac version.
There are limitations as it is only one journal at a time for basic users.

I am trying to work out how to get things into Ulysses, seems like the best bet for me.
Maybe scrivener would work too... if anyone has a workflow please share! thanks.
Ulysses is amazing. It would definitely suffice for journaling, and a whole lot more. The iOS version is also very very good, and has all, or nearly all, of the features of the Mac version. Over the past two years, I've migrated all my writing into Ulysses and I haven't had a moment's regret.

Also, salient to the discussion at hand, it's a piece of software that you can purchase once and not have to keep paying for month after month.
 
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Ulysses is amazing. It would definitely suffice for journaling, and a whole lot more. The iOS version is also very very good, and has all, or nearly all, of the features of the Mac version. Over the past two years, I've migrated all my writing into Ulysses and I haven't had a moment's regret.

Also, salient to the discussion at hand, it's a piece of software that you can purchase once and not have to keep paying for month after month.

Ulysses does look like a nice app. It also looks like a nice app if you were writing a novel or something more than a journal and when you add up the costs it cost more than Day One. It's $44.99 for the Mac and $24.99 on iOS. That's basically $70. Yes it's one price and what's to say that next week they might introduce a subscription plan or even a new version in 7 months and you'll have to buy it all over. If you've been a Day One 2.0 user you'd only pay $24.99/year so basically you are covered for the next 3 years of Premium. How many times will Ulysses be upgraded in the next 3 years at $74 a pop?

Don't get me wrong, Ulysses would be a good replacement, but is it really worth going through the hassle of trading in the ease and control and specialized design of Day One that you've been using for something new?
 
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I'm "plus" because I'm an older user, but no, I think that "basic" looks very usable for what I use Day One for.
If you frequently attach multiple photos to each entry, need to juggle multiple journals, and need syncing, Basic tier is obviously not for you.

But I can see a plenty of use cases where multiple journals or attaching multiple photos aren't critical.

Most folks looking for a traditional journal replacement will find Basic tier sufficient. Tags can be an acceptable "poor man's" substitute for multiple journals.

As I stated earlier, it's a darn shame that Day One 2 eliminated Dropbox and iCloud Drive support. Although the support isn't as fluid and stable as native Day One cloud sync engine, it was serviceable and frees Day One from maintaining expensive cloud service. A cheaper tier that uses iCloud Drive or Dropbox with 10 photos and 10 journals would be entirely acceptable for me.

Anyway, I too am grandfathered into Plus tier. But as someone who likes Day One apps, I feel bad for Day One being pushed into subscription pricing model and getting all the criticisms for trying to survive.
 
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Can't blame the devs for trying to make a living, but $50/year is kind of a lot when I can just write a journal in Pages or Google Docs for free. Sure it's not all fancy and divided up into day sections, but... so?

I write quite a bit, but not in a journal. Maybe I just don't get it? I could see maybe $1/month or something, but a little over $4/month is a bit high.
 
I use Day One and have been for tears. I DO have multiple journals, such as one for Work, Personal, Vacation, etc. Some people may have one for many numerous reasons such as special projects. Everyone uses journals differently. Some may want several for different subjects, some people with one journal and different entries in one journal like a diary. In these cases the basic may be just perfect for some and for others multiple journals may be the way to go. As for a journaling app, Day One is at the top of the heap. I will subscribe to it just because it's an app I enjoy using and have been since literally Day One.
 
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This subscription model is news to me today when I read the DayOne updates description on my iphone in the Appstore. I haven't updated the app just yet. Still on 2.3.0

I've purchased DayOne last year and when I checked my account status, it says 'Plus'. This means I can upload up to 10 images and have a max of 10 journals. Since when was this limitation started? I was under the impression this app gives us unlimited image upload and journals ever since they have updated their app to upload multiple images. Did it changed before they started to go subscription base?

As mentioned, this subscription is news to me and I have never received any emails stating they will implement this. They should give the customers who have purchased DayOne 2.0 when they first released it 'Premium'. Heck, it should be 'Premium' for any customers who have purchased DayOne 1.0 and 2.0 like myself.

The app is still laggy. I noticed the app will be unresponsive after it is open for a few seconds. It wasn't like this until a few updates back.
 
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Don't get me wrong, Ulysses would be a good replacement, but is it really worth going through the hassle of trading in the ease and control and specialized design of Day One that you've been using for something new?

I agree, but its an app i already have (both iOS and mac) so I thought it might do the job.
I do like day one, it is a good app (bought version 1 too), but my worry is that sooner or later (maybe ios11 or version 3) the app I am using will no longer be compatible, and at that stage I will either need to subscribe or migrate to something else. Migrating sooner rather than later is probably the easier option..I dunno.

The same is true for Ulysses of course but their business model seems to be more sustainable.. or at least they haven't moved to a subscription yet.
 
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Either way it's going to leave a sizeable number of their current installed base looking for a lightweight non-subscription alternative, that just syncs via Dropbox or such like.

DayOne Classic is great as 1) Dropbox 2) Open XML format I'll be able to parse and extract data from forever. I too avoided 2.0 but because of, at the time, lack of encryption and a no longer stored in a format any simple Python script could access. I refused to be locked down or forced to regularly export to an alternative format.

We'll milk Classic all we can and eventually go to Editorial and Markdown format.
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Momento, which seemed to be the most similar and decent alternative, went the same route a few months ago too.

So yup, we are fu**ed.
 
If you frequently attach multiple photos to each entry, need to juggle multiple journals, and need syncing, Basic tier is obviously not for you.

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Anyway, I too am grandfathered into Plus tier. But as someone who likes Day One apps, I feel bad for Day One being pushed into subscription pricing model and getting all the criticisms for trying to survive.

Yes...I don't do either of the first two. The third is really important, but DropBox or iCloud or something equivalent would work - I don't need the developer's in-house sync.

I, too, feel badly for them - but I'm not sure they were pushed. It seems like a conscious business decision, but I think it will badly hurt Day One going forward, and that's a shame.
 
Ulysses does look like a nice app. It also looks like a nice app if you were writing a novel or something more than a journal and when you add up the costs it cost more than Day One. It's $44.99 for the Mac and $24.99 on iOS. That's basically $70.

I've had Ulysses since 2014. Since my initial purchase, Ulysses has been kept up to date with several major MacOS versions, and seen numerous updates with added features, design refinements, output options.


Yes it's one price and what's to say that next week they might introduce a subscription plan or even a new version in 7 months and you'll have to buy it all over.

1. If they picked up the rental model, which I don't think they will because they're not ***holes, I'd stick with my existing version and look to migrate my work out of Ulysses in the future.

2. If a new paid version comes out, there would be a discount, not a full re-purchase, I'm sure. So no, I'm not going to be "buying it all over"

If you've been a Day One 2.0 user you'd only pay $24.99/year so basically you are covered for the next 3 years of Premium. How many times will Ulysses be upgraded in the next 3 years at $74 a pop?

Even if they stopped updating it and it broke TODAY -- which is not happening -- I've paid $70 and gotten three years of great use out of it. And that's just so far. I quite reasonably expect to be using Ulysses for a minimum of 1-2 more years before there's a paid upgrade -- and that upgrade won't cost the full price of the software either. You're also forgetting that companies who sell their software outright almost always give existing users an upgrade discount, particularly for those who bought right before a major paid upgrade. So your "$74 a pop" doesn't really hold water.

Since this is about software pricing, let's do the math on this so far, hypothetically, from the perspective of a new user.

- Day One Pro is $50/year for a new user. Over the course of three years, you're spending $150, and that just keeps going forever. Over 5 years, $250. Over 7 years, $350.

- Ulysses is an outright purchase. I've used it, and seen many upgrades, for three full years and counting. It's actually conceivable I'll have used it for 4-5 years off that one purchase, but let's give you the benefit of the doubt and say your purchase gets you 3 years of use. As a new user you can buy both iOS and Mac apps for $70. Sync is free via iCloud.

$150 vs $70. Your "cup of coffee a month" pricing just cost more than twice as much just in that time span, and a whole lot more if I use Ulysses for 1-2 more years.

So yeah, I'm very happy with my purchase. Also, if they stopped updating Ulysses at this moment, I would have the option of continuing to use it forever without forking over another dime because I OWN IT and don't rent it. Same goes for OmniFocus, another app I paid well for and have been using for years. I like to support developers who offer a fair deal.

We get it, you love Day One, and for you, the pricing is worth it, so enjoy -- but insisting that somehow this pricing model is better for the consumer than outright purchase... well the math just isn't on your side here, my friend.

Don't get me wrong, Ulysses would be a good replacement, but is it really worth going through the hassle of trading in the ease and control and specialized design of Day One that you've been using for something new?

Apples to oranges. Ulysses is a full-featured writing platform, suitable for organizing and managing multiple projects. It has customizable output styles and plugs in to things like Wordpress and exports styled text in all kinds of ways. So yeah, it's massively overkill for just writing a "journal". I endorsed it because someone else mentioned it and one could use it for journalling, but it would be overkill to use it for just that. Again, one could use basically any app in the world for journalling, "ease and control" of Day One aside -- journalling is just typing an entry every day, last I checked.
 
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In light of the obvious attempt by Bloom Built to pump out daily updates on the App Store, in a pathetic attempt to zero out the bad reviews, it's difficult not to come to the conclusion that Bloom Built is a SLEAZY company.

Does their fall from 4.5 stars to 1.5 in the App Store tell them nothing?
 
The only major features in version 2 over classic that I can tell are multiple pictures per post and a map, neither of which I'll ever use. So, I'll probably stay on the classic version until it stops working, then use the newer version offline and keep my own backups.
The main feature of version 2 that keeps me from going back to Classic is having multiple journals. If Classic had that, I'd go back to it in a heartbeat. I hate being forced to use DO's proprietary cloud.
 
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Apples to oranges. Ulysses is a full-featured writing platform, suitable for organizing and managing multiple projects. It has customizable output styles and plugs in to things like Wordpress and exports styled text in all kinds of ways. So yeah, it's massively overkill for just writing a "journal". I endorsed it because someone else mentioned it and one could use it for journalling, but it would be overkill to use it for just that. Again, one could use basically any app in the world for journalling, "ease and control" of Day One aside -- journalling is just typing an entry every day, last I checked.

I agree on most points, but I'll offer the following: I completely love Ulysses, and it is my go-to environment for long-form writing. However, what Day One has over it is in the presentation of past entries. Ulysses is a content creation machine--that's what it's for. If you pulled up an entry you wrote a year ago, you wouldn't be presented with your photo and a map and all the extra metadata. It might be there, but for display purposes and enjoying after the fact, it would fall flat. Now, if you actually wanted to *publish* your journal it would kick Day One's publishing offerings from here to Saturn, but to have a list of 'on this days' it would fall flat.

It really isn't the same paradigm, which is why I use both. I'd have migrated to Ulysses for everything a long time ago if it had any strength in the presentation department. It's designed to get out of your way so you can write. Day One is more designed to enjoy your writing retrospectively. It's picking the right tool for the job.
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The main feature of version 2 that keeps me from going back to Classic is having multiple journals. If Classic had that, I'd go back to it in a heartbeat. I hate being forced to use DO's proprietary cloud.

I never got the whole multiple journal thing. I don't know what you can do with another journal that you can't do with tagging in DO1.0. It's just a way to visually organize a sidebar.
 
Yeah, this is what bakes my noodle too.

It's a journal for goodness sake. You can do that in a basic text editor or word processor or Scrivener or WordPress blog etc

I don't really understand, either. You can use TextEdit or WordPad for free, or even Word or OneNote since most people already have those.

I have a journaling system. It's called Tomo-e River paper and a Pilot Custom 823. These people are insane.

To be fair, a $300 fountain pen might look insane to some people :p

But a Uni-Ball Signo UM-151 or Pilot Juice would be very pleasant for next to nothing.
 
In light of the obvious attempt by Bloom Built to pump out daily updates on the App Store, in a pathetic attempt to zero out the bad reviews, it's difficult not to come to the conclusion that Bloom Built is a SLEAZY company.

Does their fall from 4.5 stars to 1.5 in the App Store tell them nothing?
THIS!
It is in times like these when the true nature shines. I am not really sure if the updates are warranted but I am inclined to think they are not ( admittedly, I negatively predisposed against this company now). These guys just want to bury the bad ratings.

Even if in the future I do decide to sacrifice my cup of coffee, Day One has been a bad boy and it is not going to get any from me
 
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They finally posted a response that wasn't copy/paste today.

And wow... I can't believe how out of touch, how condescending, and how utterly delusional this company is. They think their little journaling app is comparable to an iPhone, a cellular service bill, etc.
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I agree on most points, but I'll offer the following: I completely love Ulysses, and it is my go-to environment for long-form writing. However, what Day One has over it is in the presentation of past entries. Ulysses is a content creation machine--that's what it's for. If you pulled up an entry you wrote a year ago, you wouldn't be presented with your photo and a map and all the extra metadata. It might be there, but for display purposes and enjoying after the fact, it would fall flat. Now, if you actually wanted to *publish* your journal it would kick Day One's publishing offerings from here to Saturn, but to have a list of 'on this days' it would fall flat.

It really isn't the same paradigm, which is why I use both. I'd have migrated to Ulysses for everything a long time ago if it had any strength in the presentation department. It's designed to get out of your way so you can write. Day One is more designed to enjoy your writing retrospectively. It's picking the right tool for the job.
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I never got the whole multiple journal thing. I don't know what you can do with another journal that you can't do with tagging in DO1.0. It's just a way to visually organize a sidebar.
I agree that DO is vastly more appropriate for serial journal entries than word processors and text editors like Pages, Notes, Ulysses, Scrivener, etc. I'm going to take a second look at OneNote, which is cross platform and would let me use it on Windows at work.

As for tagging to replace separate categories, I've always felt tagging to be a sloppy alternative to categories and directories. A category is like having one drawer for a certain type of clothing, like socks. Tagging is like storing socks in more than one drawer and labelling those drawers "Socks". I like to have more structure up front.
 
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Yeah but the huge difference is that even if they stop supporting the older version after introducing a new one, that version would still work, maybe forever if you don't update your OS or your machine. You can still decide to update whenever you feel ready, or if you really feel the new version is worth it. I still have software that was abandonned by the developpers and it's still running on my older machines.
If I want to move to another software, I can try to export my data and import it into the other one.
That's the huge difference with subscriptions : Stop paying one month, and your software stops working, along with your data held hostage. It's just inacceptable.

Again, I am trying to look at this from a win-win perspective.

With a paid-upfront perspective, the challenge I see from the developer's POV is how long to continue supporting their app for. The developer of "Things" just released Things 3, a fairly pricey suite of task management apps for the iphone, iPad and macOS. No doubt it's good money right now (costs about $60-70 in total upfront), but will the developer be singing the same tune 1 or 2 years from today, when sales slow, income dips and he is still expected to provide software updates for free?

Likewise, as a consumer, how long can I reasonably expect the apps I purchased to be supported before he decides "Okay, I have done enough, you will need to purchase Things 4 if you want more updates and features." For the money I paid, I am expecting 3 years minimum. And when Things 4 inevitably gets released in the future, I don't relish the dilemma I am going to be faced with. Upgrade or stick with the older version?

And what about an app that cost $1? $5? $10?

Conversely, Todoist (which I also paid for) went the subscription route, which roughly works out to about 2.5 years of Things 3. When you are more or less assured of a consistent revenue stream, I would like to believe that it takes a huge load off the developer's mind. They no longer have to agonise over how long they ought to support their app, or whether to include a certain feature or withhold it for the next version. The benefit to me as a user is a steady stream of app updates and new features. The developer literally has no reason to withhold any new features from me. Our interests are at least aligned in that regard.

Subscription can also help lower the cost of entry into the app. With a single payment, I unlocked the iOS, macOS and browser version of Todoist. Compared to Things, where I have to purchase the same app three times (and there is no online version that I can access on my work laptop) in order to get the full benefits.

That said, while in the midst of typing this response, I realised that subscription really only applies to, and makes sense for, the larger apps which can end up forming an integral part of your workflow. I paid (and continue to pay) for Todoist because I was at one point overwhelmed with a ton of projects at work and it helped bring order to all the chaos, so the whole GTD paradigm has become indispensable to me. I guess it ultimately boils down to whether you find value for the money you are paying, and I see that for most people, $50 a year is way more than the value they get out a journaling platform.
 
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Having spent the last several days looking at every other journaling app out there, I decided to try Capture 365 for now (mentioned by someone here or on Reddit). It looks a bit like a Day One knockoff, but not quite as prettied up, and that lack of polish is surprisingly annoying so far. Clearly I've been spoiled. But, I figured it was worth the try, as you can import Day One entries into it fairly easily. You will lose any weather info, but date/time/location type metadata appears to transfer fine. If I decide Capture 365 doesn't cut it, I may still use Scrivener or Notebooks for iPad instead, since I own both, or head towards One Note.

As a multiple journal, daily user on iOS only, I'm not willing to totally write off DO yet, but yeesh, they're making it hard to want to support them. I get that devs need to eat--our household has been fed by numerous tech companies including Apple and Microsoft over the years, and like it or not, subs like this are the way the industry is trending--but $25-50 a year for mere journaling software is just excessive. I pay for apps regularly, but on a cost to value basis, this just does not add up for me. $12/year or less to cover sync and storage, I would have coughed up without thinking much about it, but $25 and up? Too high, I'm not willing to stomach that at this point.

Add in minimal communication of the change to begin with, some pretty clueless sounding responses like the one posted above, and the way they're trying to make $25 sound like a good deal (for a limited time, 50% off for our loyal customers! But "we aren't planning on getting rid of the discount anytime soon" per their Twitter account, so they really seem to be planning around $25-35 per person going forward.) It just all begins to sound manipulative to me, and at that point, I start wondering less about "does this app meet my needs at this price point?" and more about, "is this company still trustworthy?" If they aren't, what comes next?
 
Amazing this is still going after 12 pages. Definitely seems like the majority of respondents are against the idea of paying so much for a journal however it seems like the majority of those against may not be Day One 2 users (though there are definitely several). There are just a few who signed up for the $24.99/year -- I don't see any signing up for the $50/year tho.

As one of the very few who signed up for the $24.99/year - I'm not happy about it but I can see why Day One has moved to this especially when they went to their own cloud service - but this has been said before so moving on...

Seems like the consensus is people can easily get by with a notepad like app whether it be Office or Google Docs or some other program like Ulysses. Is Day One's features worth $50/year? (Or $24.99/year for those of us who actually use Day One 2 currently).

I admit that Day One is nice. I like opening the app on my phone and seeing my past entries on this day, seeing all the locations where I've done log entries, and a calendar view that shows my entries per day. I export my monthly entries to PDF and back them up to Google Drive. Getting data out is easy.

Definitely think $25/year is pushing it - $50/year is not going to net a lot of users. But if it keeps the app going... I'd much rather use something that uses the cloud subscription I'm already paying for though ($20/year for 100GB).

Sick of subscriptions.... just cancelled my Office 365 subscription ($99/year) and a few others to cut costs this year. They're usually the first things I cut when funds get tight.

Evernote is expensive too - I don't think Day One is the first to do this.
 
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I agree on most points, but I'll offer the following: I completely love Ulysses, and it is my go-to environment for long-form writing. However, what Day One has over it is in the presentation of past entries.

Sure. I don't think the two programs are really comparable. They're just different beasts. Was using them strictly as examples of different pricing systems.
 
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