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Journalists Detail Seeing Their Own Spatial Videos on Apple Vision Pro

citysnaps said:
The proof will be apparent with the next and future AR devices Apple introduces.

I'm looking forward to coming back to this discussion in the coming years.
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Right. You can’t prove it because it isn’t true. There’s a lower limit on miniaturization. When you can explain how to make a battery half the size of current batteries you’ll have a point. If you can explain where the heat generated by an M3 chip goes in such a small system and how the chip itself gets much smaller than it is right now you’ll have a point.

But so far all you’ve said are broadly general things laced with personal swipes and no real substance. “Read up! Apple will make this into a pair of glasses for sure! And they’ll be cheap!”
 
Surf Monkey said:
Right. You can’t prove it because it isn’t true. There’s a lower limit on miniaturization. When you can explain how to make a battery half the size of current batteries you’ll have a point. If you can explain where the heat generated by an M3 chip goes in such a small system and how the chip itself gets much smaller than it is right now you’ll have a point.

But so far all you’ve said are broadly general things laced with personal swipes and no real substance. “Read up! Apple will make this into a pair of glasses for sure! And they’ll be cheap!”
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"You can’t prove it because it isn’t true."

Whoa! Seriously?

It appears you don't understand what the word "proof" means. No one can prove something that hasn't happened or doesn't exist *yet*? That's clairvoyance. Are you blessed with psychic powers?



""If you can explain where the heat generated by an M3 chip goes in such a small system and how the chip itself gets much smaller than it is right now you’ll have a point. When you can explain how to make a battery half the size of current batteries you’ll have a point."

That's easy. One just needs to do a wee bit of research with respect to battery chemistry and learn that there are chemistries on the horizon that will increase energy density for any given volume. Or... provide the same energy density in a much smaller volume. Smaller battery volume means you have a smaller battery, of course.

Also... advancements in finer semiconductor process nodes results in greater performance for a given power dissipation and battery size. That is why MacBook laptops offer greater and greater performance over time for a given battery volume (size).

Or... the same level of performance, with much less heat being dissipated, for a much smaller battery (and laptop) volume.

The same goes for future AVP devices.

From what you've written in all of your posts, I gather you're not an electrical engineer. So hopefully you'll think about what I said above, and maybe do a tiny bit of research on your own.
 
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cardfan said:
That can’t run macOS. lol
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It runs a fork of MacOS. MacOS isn’t made to run as VR. But most apps that run on MacOS likely will be able to make a version for visionOS. This is early. It will mature if successful. Although I won’t buy the first iteration I look forward to getting it eventually
 
citysnaps said:
"You can’t prove it because it isn’t true."

Whoa! Seriously?

It appears you don't understand what the word "proof" means. No one can prove something that hasn't happened or doesn't exist *yet*? That's clairvoyance. Are you blessed with psychic powers?



""If you can explain where the heat generated by an M3 chip goes in such a small system and how the chip itself gets much smaller than it is right now you’ll have a point. When you can explain how to make a battery half the size of current batteries you’ll have a point."

That's easy. One just needs to do a wee bit of research with respect to battery chemistry and learn that there are chemistries on the horizon that will increase energy density for any given volume. Or... provide the same energy density in a much smaller volume. Smaller battery volume means you have a smaller battery, of course.

Also... advancements in finer semiconductor process nodes results in greater performance for a given power dissipation and battery size. That is why MacBook laptops offer greater and greater performance over time for a given battery volume (size).

Or... the same level of performance, with much less heat being dissipated, for a much smaller battery (and laptop) volume.

The same goes for future AVP devices.

From what you've written in all of your posts, I gather you're not an electrical engineer. So hopefully you'll think about what I said above, and maybe do a tiny bit of research on your own.
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I made a simple set of assertions. You’ve been unable to rebut them in any substantive way. Therefore my point stands. You’re not going to see significantly smaller batteries, significantly smaller and cooler CPUs and any number of other components that simply can’t be made much smaller without major compromises.

Therefore this “discussion” is at an end. I mean unless you can provide some kind of actual evidence instead of an empty stream of largely baseless speculations.
 
gatorvet96 said:
It runs a fork of MacOS. MacOS isn’t made to run as VR. But most apps that run on MacOS likely will be able to make a version for visionOS. This is early. It will mature if successful. Although I won’t buy the first iteration I look forward to getting it eventually
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Pretty sure it’s based on iOS, not MacOS.

“The Vision Pro's operating system shares a framework with iOS and iPadOS, and Apple said this will give the Vision Pro access to thousands of iPhone and iPad apps at launch. The operating system will also bring its own app store to the Vision Pro, where you can find apps made for the Vision Pro, as well as compatible iPhone and iPad apps.”

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www.cnet.com

Apple's Vision Pro Headset Has Its Own OS, Called VisionOS

Apple unveiled the long awaited AR/VR headset, the Vision Pro, on Monday at WWDC.
www.cnet.com www.cnet.com
 
Surf Monkey said:
Pretty sure it’s based on iOS, not MacOS.

“The Vision Pro's operating system shares a framework with iOS and iPadOS, and Apple said this will give the Vision Pro access to thousands of iPhone and iPad apps at launch. The operating system will also bring its own app store to the Vision Pro, where you can find apps made for the Vision Pro, as well as compatible iPhone and iPad apps.”

Source:

www.cnet.com

Apple's Vision Pro Headset Has Its Own OS, Called VisionOS

Apple unveiled the long awaited AR/VR headset, the Vision Pro, on Monday at WWDC.
www.cnet.com www.cnet.com
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Very true. But iOS is based from MacOS. They also use the same M3 SOC (same as MacBook and iPad Pro. But the user interface is totally new and developers of both macOS and iOS will be able to create apps for VisionOS if they choose to
 
Surf Monkey said:
I made a simple set of assertions. You’ve been unable to rebut them in any substantive way. Therefore my point stands. You’re not going to see significantly smaller batteries, significantly smaller and cooler CPUs and any number of other components that simply can’t be made much smaller without major compromises.

Therefore this “discussion” is at an end. I mean unless you can provide some kind of actual evidence instead of an empty stream of largely baseless speculations.
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In the post above I've laid out how battery and semiconductor technology has progressed over time and will continue to progress, as Apple introduces new/improved devices.

You've asserted batteries, cameras, lenses and semiconductors cannot improve, dissipate less heat, become smaller and increase in performance. Resulting in your assertion AVP never becoming smaller.

As I said above, it will be great coming back to this discussion as Apple's AR device will continue to improve over the years, as have iPhones, iPads, and Macs/MacBooks have for years. And will continue to do so over the coming years.

While you continue to assert batteries cannot improve (regarding energy density and size), semiconductors not being able to dissipate less heat (for a given level of performance, and/or increase in performance), and cameras/lenses cannot be made smaller, without backing that up with any facts. In other words, semiconductor/battery tech has hit a brick wall never being able to improve.

Wow!
 
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citysnaps said:
In the post above I've laid out how battery and semiconductor technology has progressed over time and will continue to progress, as Apple introduces new/improved devices.

You've asserted batteries, cameras, lenses and semiconductors cannot improve, dissipate less heat, become smaller and increase in performance. Resulting in your assertion AVP never becoming smaller.

As I said above, it will be great coming back to this discussion as Apple's AR device will continue to improve over the years, as have iPhones, iPads, and Macs/MacBooks have for years. And will continue to do so over the coming years.

While you continue to assert batteries cannot improve (regarding energy density and size), semiconductors not being able to dissipate less heat (for a given level of performance, and/or increase in performance), and cameras/lenses cannot be made smaller, without backing that up with any facts. In other words, semiconductor/battery tech has hit a brick wall never being able to improve.

Wow!
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So you double down on failure.

Battery technology hasn’t resulted in significantly smaller batteries for decades and Moore’s Law is basically over. You’re not going to see the same 18 month cycle of smaller/cheaper/more powerful anymore and you haven’t seen that for many years now.

I mean, I can go on if your whole argument really hinges on “past performance indicates future performance” because that argument is flat out DOA.
 
Surf Monkey said:
So you double down on failure.

Battery technology hasn’t resulted in significantly smaller batteries for decades and Moore’s Law is basically over. You’re not going to see the same 18 month cycle of smaller/cheaper/more powerful anymore and you haven’t seen that for many years now.

I mean, I can go on if your whole argument really hinges on “past performance indicates future performance” because that argument is flat out DOA.
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Double down? What are you talking about?


Battery tech has. Try and keep up. Lithium Sulfur, for example, has 2X+ the energy density of Lithium Ion, is lower cost to manufacture, and is intrinsically safe (as opposed to Lithium Ion). It will soon be ready making its debut for commercial and consumer applications.

And with respect to Moore's Law, we've yet to hit a brick wall. Thus the next Apple computers/laptops/phones/iPads and AVP will offer better performance for the same energy density battery.

Curious... Are you an electrical engineer and have you ever designed chips or systems? If so, tell me about them in some detail.
 
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citysnaps said:
Double down? What are you talking about?


Battery tech has. Try and keep up. Lithium Sulfur, for example, has 2X+ the energy density of Lithium Ion, is lower cost to manufacture, and is intrinsically safe (as opposed to Lithium Ion). It will soon be ready making its debut for commercial and consumer applications.

And with respect to Moore's Law, we've yet to hit a brick wall. Thus the next Apple computers/laptops/phones/iPads and AVP will offer better performance for the same energy density battery.

Curious... Are you an electrical engineer and have you ever designed chips or systems? If so, tell me about them in some detail.
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Slowed to irrelevancy:

builtin.com

What Is Moore's Law? Is Moore’s Law Dead? | Built In

Moore's Law became the driving force behind the success of Gordon Moore and Intel. But can the law survive in today's computing environment?
builtin.com builtin.com

Incremental at best with no indication of radical breakthroughs

arstechnica.com

Eternally five years away? No, batteries are improving under your nose

Under the hood, lithium-ion batteries have gotten better in the last decade.
arstechnica.com arstechnica.com

And so forth.
 
Surf Monkey said:
Slowed to irrelevancy:

builtin.com

What Is Moore's Law? Is Moore’s Law Dead? | Built In

Moore's Law became the driving force behind the success of Gordon Moore and Intel. But can the law survive in today's computing environment?
builtin.com builtin.com

Incremental at best with no indication of radical breakthroughs

arstechnica.com

Eternally five years away? No, batteries are improving under your nose

Under the hood, lithium-ion batteries have gotten better in the last decade.
arstechnica.com arstechnica.com

And so forth.
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And that supports your view there will be no improvements in AVP going forward? That's funny.

Once more... are you an electrical engineer with chip design and systems development experience? It's an easy question.
 
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alee said:
While we can quibble about the execution of the headset and the price of entry, the value of a spatial video is underrated.

Maybe you’re fortunate enough not to have experienced loss in your life, but I’ll be taking quite a few spatial videos now because I know I will want these memories later.

I’ll take these videos because one day these will be my only remaining memory of people and pets I love. Fortunate to have my parents with me today in their 80s - I will be taking a lot of spatial videos with them herein.

4K video will still have a place but add some depth to a few clips and I’m convinced I’m going to always come back to those in the future just to relive a few moments.
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I purchased a MacIIX decades ago for $7K. This is cheap. I also want to get pics of my older family members and my new grandchild while I can.
 
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