Judge Dismisses Android-Switching iMessage Lawsuit Against Apple

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    U.S. District Judge Lucy H. Koh has dismissed [PDF] a lawsuit against Apple over a long-standing issue that prevented some former iPhone owners who switched to Android smartphones from receiving text messages from other iOS users, as reported by Business Insider.

    Koh originally ruled against granting the lawsuit class-action status, because it was not clear enough that all Android smartphone switchers were actually affected by the issue, but a trio of plaintiffs Adam Backhaut, Bouakhay Joy Backhaut and Kenneth Morris persisted with their case.
    Apple launched a web tool in November 2014 for users to deregister their phone number from iMessage in the event they switched to a non-Apple device, and Koh ruled that Apple would face a federal lawsuit over the issue just two days later. As of Koh's ruling on Tuesday, however, all lawsuits against Apple related to the matter have come to a close with no punitive damages against the company.

    Article Link: Judge Dismisses Android-Switching iMessage Lawsuit Against Apple
  2. ArtOfWarfare macrumors G3


    Nov 26, 2007
    ... Really?

    Our court system makes no sense. It rules that Apple has a monopoly on ebooks (a claim that would make sense if you were talking about Amazon, and by extension, none if you talk about any other company), but that it's totally cool for Apple to hold phone numbers hostage.
  3. Orlandoech macrumors 68040


    Jun 2, 2011
    Salt Lake City, UT
    Sounds like Apple has a judge in their back pockets.

    Waiting for the Apple apologist to back Apple and freak out over my post.

    I own lots of Apple products and dislike Android but this was a huge issue
  4. kodos macrumors 6502

    May 1, 2010
    I usually despise class action lawsuits. But iMessages are still being gobbled up by Apple and not being sent as SMSs to my Android device. It is infuriating, and Apple is of no help. I used their web tool, and no improvement.

    I won't buy a new Apple device until they fix this. At this point, it appears that I will never be buying another Apple product again. I have missed several very important messages, and had a few peeved friends and family members think I was ignoring them.
  5. theheadguy macrumors 65816

    Apr 26, 2005
    This was/is a huge problem... talk about a case that deserved to move forward...
  6. Tycho24 Suspended


    Aug 29, 2014
    Don't be such a silly goose!
    Why not try to educate yourself?

    Lol, @ "hold phone numbers hostage". *smh*
    Sheesh, dramatic hyperbole much??
  7. MH01 Suspended


    Feb 11, 2008
    This was the most irritating bug for me and friends , and took Apple a very very long time to resolve, I think these guys have a valid issue here.

    No one can deny this was not a huge issue, unless Everyone you know only communicate with with iPhones...

    Either KOH does not understand the issue, or is pro Apple. Not 100% of switchers need to be affected for this to be an issue. As in not everyone uses iMessage ...... Mine is off due to this mess, and to his day I have not turned it back on.

    Edit: I'm not sure this is resolve for everyone , even after the tool was released. My iMessage was on as default after 9.2 update, and I still got messages delivered to my iPad and not my phone, took me days to realise someone messaged me. All off again. It should just work.
  8. ozaz macrumors 65816

    Feb 27, 2011
    Koh is surely an iPhone user who has never tried switching to Android....
  9. SDub90 macrumors 6502a

    Nov 9, 2009
    Long Island
    Switched to android in June. Days before I received my phone I disabled imessage on my ipad, iphone, and on my mac before going through the website (just to be sure). Still not getting messages from 1/2 of my iPhone friends/family and there are many group messages that I'm not getting because it still shows my number as imessage for them.

    Very frustrating. Luckily it hasn't been an issue with work contacts that matter.
  10. Chatter macrumors 6502a

    Jun 10, 2013
    Uphill from Downtown
    Its just childish to say "Sounds like Apple has a judge in their back pockets".
    Oh well...enjoy the holidays.
  11. Sethp macrumors member

    Apr 3, 2010
    When I worked for Apple Care Denmark the possibility to remove this wasn't available as soon as in the US. We had to tell people that it would take four weeks to fix the issue.
  12. 69Mustang macrumors 604


    Jan 7, 2014
    In between a rock and a hard place
    Our court system does some strange stuff sometimes. On that we agree. Bolded: You've taken some serious creative license with the truth regarding the ebook case. On that I'm sure we can agree as well.;)

    This particular case never should have made it in front of a judge. Apple could have saved a few bucks on lawyer fees by handling the issue before 2014.
    edit: Apparently, according to some in this thread the issue still persists. That's gotta suck.
  13. MH01 Suspended


    Feb 11, 2008
    Just takes a search of MR or any search engine, to realise this was a quite big issue. So how come the judge saw it as a non issue ? Seems weird to me based on the data available.
  14. friedmud macrumors 65816

    Jul 11, 2008
    Ironically, buying an Apple device would completely fix your problem....
  15. kodos macrumors 6502

    May 1, 2010
    Yes. Which is why I won't be rewarding them with my $$$. Of course, after I mentioned this to my friends, I don't think anyone is switching away from iOS any time soon! :).

    I probably won't even switch my wife away from iOS because of this, so it really is too bad that Apple is now keeping people in the ecosystem because they hold us hostage.

    Doubt they'll ever do anything about it, because evidently they cannot even be sued over this.
  16. stopthenonsense macrumors member


    Dec 23, 2015
    Spring, TX
    What are the damages? Missed text messages? Come on! There is no way anyone is going to be able to prove they had any monetary damages over a text message.
  17. MH01 Suspended


    Feb 11, 2008
    You also prevent this from happening by not leaving. :)
  18. Saucesome2000 macrumors 6502


    Dec 10, 2014
    Nashville, TN
    I was with you until your second paragraph. If it was that important, they should have called. If the importance meter tops out at "text", it's not important. I do think it was b.s. that Apple didn't see this bug before it became an issue.
  19. macpeach55 macrumors 6502


    Aug 26, 2010
    Germany, & the Rest of the known World
    So does your wife not have any say in what type of phone she uses?
  20. nobodyuno macrumors newbie

    Dec 23, 2015
    The Lower courts have said that Apple conspired to fix prices. But the story isn't over. Apple has appealed to the Supreme Court and their case has been accepted to be heard by the court. We'll see how it turns out. Stay tuned.
  21. Chatter macrumors 6502a

    Jun 10, 2013
    Uphill from Downtown
    Because we dont have the full story maybe? The judge may (probable does) have different facts in front of them. Maybe the plaintiffs lawyers sucked? I dont know. But just because you and I disagree with a ruling doesnt automatically mean everyone else is corrupt.
  22. DanielSw macrumors 6502


    Aug 31, 2009
    Clearwater, FL
    Quit complaining and accept the consequences of your actions.
  23. AbSoluTc macrumors 601


    Sep 21, 2008
    Because of the following..

    Apple […] discovered that two of the three plaintiffs in the case had gotten rid of their old iPhones after they filed the suit against Apple. They are thus unable to demonstrate whether texts sent to their phone numbers went to their Apple or Android devices, Apple claimed. One of the plaintiffs also previously asked that she be dismissed as a “named plaintiff” in the case.

    The three plaintiffs were a husband, wife and family friend. Judge Lucy Koh dismissed the case in a single-paragraph order.
  24. kildraik macrumors 6502a


    May 7, 2006
    Don't people have to turn off iMessages? I thought it was as easy as turning off the send/receive on a phone number...?
  25. ousboui macrumors newbie

    Aug 28, 2014
    The fact that Apple had trouble getting a service working reliably does not mean that they broke the law.

    The assertion in this case implied that Apple deliberately singled out some Andriod switchers to break their messages. The judge saw through this.

    Perhaps searching the Internet is not an accurate gage for how serious a problem really is. In the end only three persons brought this claim against Apple - all from the same family!

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