So now we go from having a judge in back pocket to destroying evidence? Just stop. I never said anything about them "destroying" evidence.
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Judge Dismisses Android-Switching iMessage Lawsuit Against Apple
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I've helped friends deal with this 3X already. These instructions have always fixed my problem:
https://selfsolve.apple.com/deregister-imessage
Has worked every time. The "imessage" number on your friend's phones will take a while to clear out. A day at the most from my experience.
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Now as far as the lawsuit goes, this obviously wasn't always an option.
The fact that they don't have the evidence anymore is in the story you are responding to. I suppose they might not have destroyed it. It is also possible they so,d the evidence, gave the evidence away, or never had the evidence. For the purposes of our discussion they are all essentially the same thing and I am lazy. Maybe you should read the story before responding...
And too be clear. I did not say anything about a judge in the back pocket. The only one making libelous statements about a federal judge in this thread is you.
I know the story and have since it originally came out. Perhaps YOU should learn that I wasn't TALKING ABOUT that part, I was responding the judge being in the back pocket. And stop being so defensive, my god.
Why would Apple care? You have already given them your money. You bought the phone, so so now Apple is done, people arent "leaving Apple" as far as money is concerned. If Apple was you cell carrier I would see the logic, they are leaving Apple and going to Verizon or AT&T but this isnt the case. Once you have paid for your Iphone they have no motivation to mess with your imessage
The lawsuit was stupid in the first place. Wasting the courts time over something like this should cost the plaintiffs money. They should be paying all of Apple's legal defense costs. You don't file a lawsuit over something trivial like text messages. You are using a system that DOESN'T guarantee delivery of any message, so how can you complain when you don't get one? Get real folks. And get a friggin life. It's called a phone call if someone doesn't think you're getting a message. 
I am not being defensive of anything. You were trying to defend a pretty childish position and I pointed out that an adult might simply look at the facts as listed in the story. Now your response is: "I am not talking about the facts in this case, I am talking about the thing I just made up." There is a word for people who act like that on an online forum, but we are not allowed to use it here.
As someone actually affected by this - when I went from my iPhone 5 to a Samsung Note 3, I noticed that all of my family and most of my friends (iPhone users) would receive my text messages but I would never get theirs, ever. Yes, I turned off iMessage on my iPhone, I de-registered my account via iCloud settings - waited 48 hours. Did that help? No. Two weeks later, I was still having problems getting text messages from family/friends/iPhone users UNLESS they turned on the (off by default) send as SMS if iMessage fails. But, I realized any iPhone user that I hadn't told to do this yet wouldn't be able to text me.
So I changed my phone number. Solved that problem. Yeah, it was a bit inconvenient but to be honest, I wanted a different area code so it didn't bother me too much.
After my Note 3 I went back to Apple with the 6+. When Apple finally acknowledged the problem - I helped at least two people I know that went Android from iOS solve the problem with that website Apple put out (lucky them!).
One of them went back to Apple like I did too.
It didn't cost me anything to change my phone number with Verizon Wireless. Sure, it was a little inconvenient but I'm not sure how you could sue. Was it right? Meh, iMessage is pretty cool and no product is 100% perfect.
So I changed my phone number. Solved that problem. Yeah, it was a bit inconvenient but to be honest, I wanted a different area code so it didn't bother me too much.
After my Note 3 I went back to Apple with the 6+. When Apple finally acknowledged the problem - I helped at least two people I know that went Android from iOS solve the problem with that website Apple put out (lucky them!).
One of them went back to Apple like I did too.
It didn't cost me anything to change my phone number with Verizon Wireless. Sure, it was a little inconvenient but I'm not sure how you could sue. Was it right? Meh, iMessage is pretty cool and no product is 100% perfect.
And with this response, you have been added to the ignore list. You are trying to imply I'm trolling? That's quite ironic.
Except that a total of ZERO of the hypothetical businesses you refer to were part of this lawsuit. We arent talking about some guy I know who had a problem with this or a "maybe" business or "lots" of people who complained. We are talking about the people actually involved in the suit, you know, the ones the judge ruled on. The same judge who ruled against Apple in the ebook trial.
She doesn't really care. Technology isn't her passion or interest. She trusts what I buy for her, just as I trust her with any number of decisions she makes that she is more qualified to make - including which physician I go to. She probably would be satisfied with a flip phone. What's your problem, exactly?
Judge Koh was NOT on the ebook trial. You are thinking of Judge Cote
Let me restate: i'm not trying to judge the merit of the decision. I would have to read a lot more into the trial than what Mac Rumours provides.
But when it's her name that pops up. I have doubts about the motivation of the decision and would prefer it go to someone else.
Yes. Which is why I won't be rewarding them with my $$$. Of course, after I mentioned this to my friends, I don't think anyone is switching away from iOS any time soon!
I probably won't even switch my wife away from iOS because of this, so it really is too bad that Apple is now keeping people in the ecosystem because they hold us hostage.
Doubt they'll ever do anything about it, because evidently they cannot even be sued over this.
Stop being dramatic. Nobody died.
If you don't want to buy an iphone to solve this problem, then don't and tell all your imessage friends
that you may not get their messages.
Apple is not holding you hostage.
To assume they will not do anything about it is also dramatic. Of course the will, but maybe it's not that easy.
Apple's main problem is that they suck at services. iMessage included.
I don't want any parts of that rabbit hole you two are going down. To your accusation of libel? Hate to tell you, this isn't libel: "The same judge who is also very questionable towards her reaction with Apple." Opining about a judges verdicts doesn't even come close to rising to that level.
Okay, you two can go back at it.
Yes. Which is why I won't be rewarding them with my $$$. Of course, after I mentioned this to my friends, I don't think anyone is switching away from iOS any time soon!
I probably won't even switch my wife away from iOS because of this, so it really is too bad that Apple is now keeping people in the ecosystem because they hold us hostage.
So um, you don't buy their products..... you just hang out here then? Okay.
I'm done going, ignored that person. They accused me of trolling.I don't want any parts of that rabbit hole you two are going down. To your accusation of libel? Hate to tell you, this isn't libel: "The same judge who is also very questionable towards her reaction with Apple." Opining about a judges verdicts doesn't even come close to rising to that level.
Okay, you two can go back at it.
Here's another one to ignore and should have a while ago. The defense posture of some of you people is just astounding.
It’s user error. You’re supposed to disable iMessages before leaving the iOS device. Follow that simple step and you’d never of missed a message. Later they realized that people weren’t doing that so they setup a website to allow people to unregister. Doesn’t warrant a lawsuit.
For those that are still missing messages, talk to your sender who's sending it to your email ID instead of phone number.
For those that are still missing messages, talk to your sender who's sending it to your email ID instead of phone number.
A judge in Apple 's back pocket? Lol you surpassed yourself with this accusation....
I'm sure you have proofs of your claims...
No it's not.
I put my old SIM in a Nexus 5, and then in a Nokia Lumia 1520, after being in an iPhone for 2 years: it still received every single SMS.
I just turned off iMessage before wiping.
As usual people blame Apple for their mistakes.
You are wasting your time...
Oh give us a break.
You are literally up voting EVERY SINGLE post against Apple in the forum. You think it passed unnoticed?
And now an accusation of a judge in Apple 's back pocket...
What else ? A worldwide plot in favor of Apple that made millions of android user switching towards Apple ?
Yeah, but we're talking about Americans. They are inherently lazy and if you tell them to disable that they just reply with "ain't nobody got time for that".
Oh, it doesn't work properly even though it was my fault I didn't flip a switch? Your ass is getting sued!
This generation of people are never at fault and always have someone else to blame for their mistakes and/or stupidness.
Spill coffee on yourself? Let's sue
Your door wasn't wide enough for my fat body because I can't control food, therefore I couldn't get into your establishment?? Let me sue.
Spill coffee on yourself? Let's sue
Your door wasn't wide enough for my fat body because I can't control food, therefore I couldn't get into your establishment?? Let me sue.
I am literally against Apple in EVERY post? You clearly have me mixed up with someone else. And you think your pathetic defensive stance when it's not warranted doesn't go unnoticed? Actually, you just defend no matter what. As for the accusation, that you think it can't happen is just laughable. And you will be ignored as well. You are the type of person who makes Apple users look bad.