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A list of popular free software and services: Google stuff, Linux, BSD, DuckDuckGo, Firefox, GitHub, Postgres, Vim, Safari, iLife, iTunes, Spotify free tier.

Pretty silly to say that I'm selling myself by using any of those. Like what, selling my soul? My body? Gimme a break. They usually get something out of me using it, whatever that is. And often this comes along with, I use X because it costs $ and therefore doesn't benefit from me in any other way, which is usually not true.
That you’re lumping google services in with Linux of all things shows you’re not understanding the difference in profit strategy between the companies. Spotify free tier is there to entice you to move up to paid tier. Safari, iTunes, and the iLife stuff to get you to purchase apple products.
 
What about free web services?
What about them? I'm not saying it's never true, I'm just sick of people spouting it off every chance they get regardless of whether it's true or not because they think it makes them sound smart.

Some free software makes you the product by selling your data. A lot doesn't.
 
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I'm less concerned about vulnerabilities than I am about them lying to their users or having questionable ways of making money. You can judge how you feel like, but for those who don't know anything about Brave, it's counterproductive to fight the man without doing your reading first.

Well, why not link to the original? https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2021/01/08/we-need-more-than-deplatforming/
You use Google products and are fine with that. You literally have no basis for concern when it comes to web browsers.
 
We live in the age of information. Knowledge is widely available. Hence we have less smokers and smoking is illegal inside most public places in first world countries.

Any bad habit can be broken - and some arguably much easier than getting rid of an addiction.

Well, then I hope the information gets to the people and googling becomes illegal just as much as smoking.
 
iTunes was not free, it was paid by buying the iPod and Mac. Now its free so you can buy your Apple Music subscription.
LOL

Stop it.

iTunes is a retail store front. Like an store it is free to enter, browse and sample.

I remember when I was a kid and I used to go in the music store and ask the clerk if I could listen to samples before I decide to buy. There were listening pods in the store.
 
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LOL

Stop it.

iTunes is a retail store front. Like an store it is free to enter, browse and sample.

I remember when I was a kid and I used to go in the music store and ask the clerk if I could listen to samples before I decide to buy. There were listening pods in the store.

While iTunes has that functionality, it can be fed with your own files from day one.
 
3rd parties: websites, employers/school, your ISP. It says might because not all websites track. What whole picture?
No, they aren't claiming in the article that you're being tracked cross site.
The claim is people are being secretly tracked while in Incognito Mode. They aren't imo. The splash page clearly tells you Incognito Mode is used so other people using the same device won't see your activity. It also clearly tells you what other entities that can see your activity while using Incognito Mode. Additionally, it offers a link to more detailed information if someone still isn't clear.

Reading that splash page and assuming any level of privacy beyond another user on that particular device is not a reasonable assumption imo. It's obvious you could still be tracked. There's nothing secret about it.
Well…. thank Christ that I don’t use this product & haven’t had to parse their phrasing personally, but to me:

If I got on a shared computer, entered into a mode called “Incognito” & proceeded to search for surprise pearl earrings for my significant other… I would assume that my activities would be hidden from them and my secret would be safe.
It sounds like the only thing I’d be safe from is if they were some weirdo digging through my browser history.
However, if they’re a normal user…. sorry, but all the ads popping up on the browser & inside 3rd party apps suddenly promoting “30% pearl earrings” would let the cat out of the bag.

What a GARBAGE function!

I got a MUCH better splash screen in mind… maybe one that says: “this mode does next to nothing; why bother? You cannot escape tracking in this browser, point blank period”.

Seems a lot more honest & accurate!
 
That you’re lumping google services in with Linux of all things shows you’re not understanding the difference in profit strategy between the companies. Spotify free tier is there to entice you to move up to paid tier. Safari, iTunes, and the iLife stuff to get you to purchase apple products.
Yes, there's a big difference. That's why the saying is dumb.
 
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Well…. thank Christ that I don’t use this product & haven’t had to parse their phrasing personally, but to me:

If I got on a shared computer, entered into a mode called “Incognito” & proceeded to search for surprise pearl earrings for my significant other… I would assume that my activities would be hidden from them and my secret would be safe.
It sounds like the only thing I’d be safe from is if they were some weirdo digging through my browser history.
However, if they’re a normal user…. sorry, but all the ads popping up on the browser & inside 3rd party apps suddenly promoting “30% pearl earrings” would let the cat out of the bag.

What a GARBAGE function!

I got a MUCH better splash screen in mind… maybe one that says: “this mode does next to nothing; why bother? You cannot escape tracking in this browser, point blank period”.

Seems a lot more honest & accurate!
Seems you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what Incognito Mode is and what it does. Ironically, it's actually perfect for the scenario you created.
You search for surprise earrings. Use Incognito or any of the privacy modes then there's no browser history saved. There are no cookies or site data saved. The search for earrings effectively disappears when you leave the browser. You don't see ads related to your Incognito search because the Incognito search wasn't tied to your profile.

The search info is not persistent beyond your session. Anyone logging into another Incognito session or their standard profile will not see ads based on your Incognito search. Now, what you seem to be doing is trying to tie the 3rd party's knowledge of the search to future searches. Your search wasn't persistent. Bob's Jewels and Baubles only knows their website got visited, not that it was you or they should serve similar ads to you. No one will see any ads that would let the cat out of the bag.
 
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Seems you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what Incognito Mode is and what it does. Ironically, it's actually perfect for the scenario you created.
You search for surprise earrings. Use Incognito or any of the privacy modes then there's no browser history saved. There are no cookies or site data saved. The search for earrings effectively disappears when you leave the browser. You don't see ads related to your Incognito search because the Incognito search wasn't tied to your profile.

The search info is not persistent beyond your session. Anyone logging into another Incognito session or their standard profile will not see ads based on your Incognito search. Now, what you seem to be doing is trying to tie the 3rd party's knowledge of the search to future searches. Your search wasn't persistent. Bob's Jewels and Baubles only knows their website got visited, not that it was you or they should serve similar ads to you. No one will see any ads that would let the cat out of the bag.

I think you missed his point, which is that the search *is* persistent in the sense that when google captured that you searched for pearl earrings, then when his wife uses the computer later and starts seeing ads for pearl earrings everyplace, that gives away the secret.
 
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I think you missed his point, which is that the search *is* persistent in the sense that when google captured that you searched for pearl earrings, then when his wife uses the computer later and starts seeing ads for pearl earrings everyplace, that gives away the secret.
I got his point 100%. I also pointed out they way you and him think the mode works is incorrect. His wife would not see any searches for earrings because the search occurred in Incognito and wouldn't be tied to the computer. Google doesn't use data from Incognito mode to sell personalized ads. Ads are tied to a particular profile. Which is why an earring search while logged in to your profile will produce earring ads. Conversely, the search in Incognito is not, therefore it won't produce related ads.

The only way for his wife to see the search is for him not to log out of the Incognito session and for her to search his searches. Even if she hopped on the computer before he logged out of the session she wouldn't even see ads in Incognito related to his search. It simply doesn't work that way.

BTW this is easily tested, if the veracity of my statement is in question... or you're just curious.
 
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I got his point 100%. I also pointed out they way you and him think the mode works is incorrect. His wife would not see any searches for earrings because the search occurred in Incognito and wouldn't be tied to the computer. Google doesn't use data from Incognito mode to sell personalized ads. Ads are tied to a particular profile. Which is why an earring search while logged in to your profile will produce earring ads. Conversely, the search in Incognito is not, therefore it won't produce related ads.

The only way for his wife to see the search is for him not to log out of the Incognito session and for her to search his searches. Even if she hopped on the computer before he logged out of the session she wouldn't even see ads in Incognito related to his search. It simply doesn't work that way.

BTW this is easily tested, if the veracity of my statement is in question... or you're just curious.

According to the court’s order, the id of the device is sent to google, even in incognito mode. Are they receiving device-specific information but not using it to target ads? If so, why?
 
According to the court’s order, the id of the device is sent to google, even in incognito mode. Are they receiving device-specific information but not using it to target ads? If so, why?
Wouldn't Google already have the device ID anyway so what would it matter? Not really sure of the point you're trying to make here. Who exactly do you think the ads would be targeted to in your scenario? Targeted ads are tied to a google profile. Incognito is not tied to any profile so there's no one to target.
 
No search engines anymore?

you are brain washed to think Google is the only search engine. There is Mojeek. Brave is building their own. There are other search engines but unfortunately all based on Bing (DDG, Qwant, Ecosia) which is not necessarily better than Google with privacy.
 
you are brain washed to think Google is the only search engine. There is Mojeek. Brave is building their own. There are other search engines but unfortunately all based on Bing (DDG, Qwant, Ecosia) which is not necessarily better than Google with privacy.

You are brain washed to think I imply that Google is the only search engine. But since you were so against googling something I wanted to get clarification on search engines in general.

The lesser quality of DDG/Bing in my search results I can witness multiple times a week as well too.
 
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We'll all survive if google gets shut down. Speaking of search engines, Apple should come out with its own.
We'll all survive COVID too but we're talking about a major disruption to all consumers and all business on the order of trillions of dollars. It's not a trivial thing. It's literally the Internet as we know it.
 
We'll all survive if google gets shut down. Speaking of search engines, Apple should come out with its own.

Brave is bringing their own.

We'll all survive COVID too but we're talking about a major disruption to all consumers and all business on the order of trillions of dollars. It's not a trivial thing. It's literally the Internet as we know it.

Yes, and this shows how much of a problem Google is. We, as humanity, should not rely on any 1 entity to run our lives and should have alternatives.

The best way to start is to ease the Google clutch on humanity and to move to other alternatives services that already exist like TutaNote-ProtonMail for Gmail, DDG for search, Apple Maps/OpenMaps, LibreOffice over Google Docs, Brave/FireFox over Chrome.

Unfortunately there is nothing we can do about YouTube or Android, albeit Android is supposedly open source and could work without Google.
 
you are brain washed to think Google is the only search engine. There is Mojeek. Brave is building their own. There are other search engines but unfortunately all based on Bing (DDG, Qwant, Ecosia) which is not necessarily better than Google with privacy.

Those are rubbish though if you need results. I collect vintage computers and only Google search is useful for searching older 1970s and 1980s vintage stuff and it even links directly to page within archived magazines, documents, etc.

Brave is bringing their own.

Brave is redirect malware so much more evil than targeted ads.

https://decrypt.co/31522/crypto-brave-browser-redirect
 
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Those are rubbish though if you need results. I collect vintage computers and only Google search is useful for searching older 1970s and 1980s vintage stuff and it even links directly to page within archived magazines, documents, etc.



Brave is redirect malware so much more evil than targeted ads.

https://decrypt.co/31522/crypto-brave-browser-redirect

Yes, no one ever argued otherwise. Google is the best search engine and it comes with a price, and thats your privacy. your choice.

As for Brave redirecting to malware that happened for a very short time like maybe 1 week assuming you clicked on the ad and it was not malware it was affiliated advertisers. In no way it was a breach of privacy.

If Brave was such bad browser, how do you explain people moving from Safari, Chrome, and Firefox to it?

I tried it and liked it.

How did you try it? its not out yet?
 
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